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Yet Another "What would be best" Thread...

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Megadeth_Guy01

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Well like 1,000 other people right now, I will be transitioning to H2O soon. And I have the basic "what would be best" questions that need to be answered. I have already selected a few parts that I would like in this loop and I also need some input from you to fill in all the blanks that I have left and some smaller questions about installation. Oh yeah, and I'm also on a $230-ish budget, so no silver waterblocks please :D. Also, at this point in time I'm only interested in having my CPU in the loop, I'm pretty sure this core could handle my GPU as well though if I wanted to get a block for it at a later time.

Here is my "list" so far.

Danger Den RBX Waterblock (Socket A, with the clip/tab style mounts) - http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=27&cat=19&page=1

'77 Bonneville Heater Core (w/ shroud from DD) - http://www.dangerdenstore.com/product.php?productid=48&cat=14&page=1

Cheapest dual 3.5" bay reservoir I can find (pref. blue UV)

A pump that you guys can reccomend.

Cheap tubing that you guys reccomend.

Cheap 120mm fans.

Maybe some water additives?

Again, I am considering all reccomendations on anything that would be better for me at this pricepoint, thanks guys!

Edit: I almost forgot, I will be running this on the system in my sig, the case is a Chenming 601, fairly roomy case. I also need to know the optimal place to mount the core and how to do so.

Another edit: I'd REALLY prefer a pump that could plug into my PSU.
 
better block, d-tek whitewater, same price too.
good heatercore
you really dont need a resi
the via aqua is DECENT but its loud. the cost is 22 bucks.
ehiem 1250 is good, hydor l30 is comperable to the ehiem both aroudn 50 bucks
clearflex is fine, its almost half the price of tygon.
for addatives, maybe you could use antifreeze, as its uv reactive already.

im a noob at wcing, so id wait for a guy like dfi-dashi to reply. he knows me about this then me
 
I don't think I can mount the white water on my mobo. I only have 2 mounting holes and it looks like the white water needs 4 if I'm not mistaken.
 
when i saw 2 holes in your post, i thought you meant a64, but then looking in your sig, i saw that its an axp rig, id say get the white water anyway, cause if you upgrade to a64 or whatever later, that block has all the holes you could ever need to upgrade to another socket with.
 
Megadeth_Guy01 said:
I don't think I can mount the white water on my mobo. I only have 2 mounting holes and it looks like the white water needs 4 if I'm not mistaken.
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you only have two mounting holes? i went to the shuttle website, and they are showing four on the unit that they picture: http://global.shuttle.com/Product/MotherBoard/mbd_Spec.asp?M_id=49

if you really only have two mounting holes around the CPU socket, then that would be a bit weird. does it list hole spacing the manual that came with it? they do not seem to have the manual for download.
 
Never mind, I took off my heatsink and verified, I do infact have 4 mounting holes. Been awhile since I've even seen my CPU lol.
 
i don't live in america, so i don't track american prices. i can pretty much mention good parts, and let you shop around. i also tend to ask questions.

case in point: is there some reason that you do not want to cool your GPU? a dual heatercore is a bit overkill for a single XP cpu, unless you're thinking of running something super quiet like 14 db fans.

what kind of niose level are you shooting for? quiet fans that are reliable are not usually cheap.

the RBX is a good block. if you go for that one, then you can get rad, block, pump, tubing, and everything else that you need from dangerden conviently. you pay for convience, though, because you canfind most things that DD sells, for cheaper elsewhere.

the whitewater is an excellent block. it needs a pretty strong pump, but is a good block all the same.

if you're willing to go out on a bit of a limb, then you might want to take a look at this: http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1027576181#post1027576181 since it has all the right numbers, at a very cheap price. it is as yet untested, though.

the via aqua 1300 is okay, but only if you are really looking to pinch your pennies. without a whole lot of work, you can silence it pretty effectively. i'd say that it has about the minimum performance that you should look at. i can wholehearted reccomend the danner mag 5 as something that is cheaper than the good watercooling DC pumps, but performs about as well. the danner is AC, though. the eheim 1250 is about the same price as the danner (if you shop around) but does not perform as well.

the swiftech MCP 650 and MCP 600 are good, but the 650 might whine. the dangerden D4(same as MCP 650) is also good, but can whine as well. the aquaxtreme 50Z (same as MCP600) is another good pump. i have heard good and bad things about the C-systems pumps. they are all 12V and therefore very easy to hook up. again, you pay for them being so easy.

you can cut costs a bit by using a T-line instead of a res. they work pretty well, if you locate tem properly. you just need to figure out some way of mounting it nicely. dangerden has their fill ports for T-lines, but i'm thinking that you can pretty easily build someting functional out of a normal barb fitting and an suitable nut.

tygon is really nice to work with, but clearflex works fine and is cheaper. you can save more cash still by getting whatever the hardware store sells, but sometimes it clouds up and does onther unattractive things.

panaflo fans are really nice, but it seems that they are not as cheaply priced in the states as they are up here. delta AFB fans are also really nice, and they are not the wicked-loud fans that delta has a reputation for making. (that is the FFB series)

zerex is a good coolant additive, that you can get at the auto store.
 
For a pump, go with the AQX-50Z. Nice and quiet with high performance.

For mounting your hc, I suggest either sacrificing your hd cages in front and mounting it there or sacrificing a couple 5 1/4" bays and mounting it on top. Take a look at some pictures in the 'Post your systems here' sticky to get a good idea of how to mount it in different locations.
 
Also, I'm not really going to be critical as to what noise level this puts out. I'm just trying to get it built and upgrade it slowly after I install it. I've been putting up with a 50-60dB CPU fan for a long while now so I'm sure I can put up with most anything at this point.
 
Do you think I could get away with using a single 120mm heatercore rather than the dual heatercore version? And would I still be able to add my graphics card to the loop with the single core?
 
if you're willing to tollerate a quite loud fan, then yes i would say that you can. you would need to use something like a 130CFM fan on a controller, since a lot of people ues two ~75 CFM units dialed down on a double heatercore.
 
You'll get decent performance with a single hc but you'll probably be disapointed once you add in your gpu. Install the dual hc if at all possible, you'll be happier in the long run.
 
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wait a second, let's look at your priorities here.

why do you want to watercool?

you can get equally good performance on air, if you are willing to tollerate the kind of noise that you seem to be talking about.

a single heatercore will not give you very good performance without a really loud fan, and at that point you have spent more on WCing that a perofrmance air cooling solution, without any reduction in noise or gain in performance.
 
Sideroxylon said:
For a pump, go with the AQX-50Z. Nice and quiet with high performance.
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no two ways about it, it's a great pump. the only problem is that unless it is for sale for much cheaper than the $79 that i have seen it at, it will also blow about 1/3 of his proposed budget.
 
Did I miss what size tubeing 1/2 ID or 3/8ID I'm curious how that effects pump selection
 
Megadeth_Guy01 said:
Well most of the components will probably be 1/2" OD. I assume the larger the tubing the better.
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in this case 1/2" is better, but only marginally. everything should really use the same size of fitting/tubing, for a system like this.

the style of blocks and rad makes more difference in pump selection than the tubing size.
 
Ok well, since we have pretty much narrowed everything else except the pump down. Could you name a few pumps that would be ideal for my system at this point? I was thinking either a Eheim 1048 or a Hydor L25. I'm not aware of all the pumps out there but the most I'd like to spend is $50-55.

Edit: Your thoughts on this? http://svc.com/03-l-8900-40.html
 
remember that pump that i "wholeheartedly" reccomended? the danner mag 5? http://www.bigalsonline.com/catalog/product.xml?product_id=27409&category_id=3855&pcid1=2181

it is almost as good as the nice DC units. a cheap realy with a 12 V coil and load terminals rated for at least 1.5 amp @ 115 VAC and it is a pretty good unit. quiet,(if you put something soft under it) reliable, good head and excellent flow.

i use it's big brother.

the one that you put up has even less flow than the via aqua 1300. probably less head as well, and the via is pretty sad in that department.
 
Well I guess I have everything figured out then. Thanks alot for all your help, I really do appreciate it.

Danner Mag 5 - $47.89

One of this guy's dual 120mm rads - $35.00
http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=874806&highlight=2fresh

Shroud from anywhere - Guessing $15.00

DD RBX for Socket A - $52.95

DD T-Line - $1.75

DD Fillport - $11.95

10' of Clearflex 60 Tubing - $12.50

120mm fan - Guessing $14.00

I'll pick up some metal hose clamps at Home Depot or the local hardware store probably.

Total - $191.04
 
One thing to keep in mind about the RBX is how narrow it is. On a socket A platform the block will not rest on the neoprene pads on the cpu, making it somewhat unstable. The fact that it has three barbs enhances the effect, causing poor mountings and bad temps. Bumps or movement of the case can cause the block to shift also.

Although the RBX is a good block, I would not recommend it for Athlon xp. You may get better performance with a Swiftech 6002a.
 
the voice of experience! thanks plywood99.

also, there is nothing special about the T line the DD sells, you could just pick that up at the hardware store when you go out and get your gear clamps. not any real cost savings, i don't think, but still.......

i usually see panaflo fans for $16 on american sites.
 
plywood99 said:
One thing to keep in mind about the RBX is how narrow it is. On a socket A platform the block will not rest on the neoprene pads on the cpu, making it somewhat unstable. The fact that it has three barbs enhances the effect, causing poor mountings and bad temps. Bumps or movement of the case can cause the block to shift also.

Although the RBX is a good block, I would not recommend it for Athlon xp. You may get better performance with a Swiftech 6002a.
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Thank you, this is just the kinda feedback I could use! I'll check out that Swiftech block immediatly.
 
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