Y Pr Pb INput card ?

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Does a video capture/input card exist, that takes Y Pr Pb (R, G, B HDTV) signal sent out of a device and allow them to be put into a PC, rather than my TV ?

I ask this, because, I am purchasing the dell 3007FPW, and.. well, at 30", it would make a damn fine television for HiDef.

I know of things like the HDTV wonder which capture OTA hdtv, but that's not what I'm asking. Can I plug in, say, my dvd player that has HDTV output? Or my cable tv box?

Any products like this at all?
 
defaultluser said:
vivo.
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Ok,

so what vivo cards support Y Pr Pb HDTV INPUT to the card from an outside source

When I research vivo cards, I find things like this

http://ati.amd.com/products/radeonx1900/aiwx1900/gallery.html

I see no Y Pr Pb on that, and wouldn't that, arguably be, the highest end offering from ati?

http://tinyurl.com/yngsyb

I have a Sapphire x800gto2 with the Y Pr Pb -> "proprietary s-video looking adapter" but that doesn't bring HDTV into my card, it puts my card OUT on an hdtv display.

You'll notice, in that linked image, the RGB cable is "HDTV" cable (out) and the Yellow & black cable is the "VIVO" cable
 
CrimandEvil said:
Thats cause they don't make them. This is the best you're going to get: http://www.x2vga.com/
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Maybe I don't see it right, but, That looks like it bypasses the pc. I'm used to "having my tv in a window" on my screen (with my hauppauge card) - While this WOULD drive a pic to my in-coming dell 3007, it wouldn't actually be using the pc at all, so it's not a "PVR" solution so much as it is a HDTV->VGA converter.

but then again, you did say "that's cause they don't make them"

As it stands, now, I can output coax or svideo from my cable box, dvd player, etc.. into my pc, but my cable box doesn't push the HDTV channels over anything but HDMI or Y Pr Pb ports.
 
CyberDeus-RagDoll said:
As it stands, now, I can output coax or svideo from my cable box, dvd player, etc.. into my pc, but my cable box doesn't push the HDTV channels over anything but HDMI or Y Pr Pb ports.
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And the Industry won't allow such a card to be made. Ever.
Maybe I don't see it right, but, That looks like it bypasses the pc. I'm used to "having my tv in a window" on my screen (with my hauppauge card) - While this WOULD drive a pic to my in-coming dell 3007, it wouldn't actually be using the pc at all, so it's not a "PVR" solution.....
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Which is why I said "it's the best your going to get."
 
CrimandEvil said:
And the Industry won't allow such a card to be made. Ever.
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Never say never, mister bond. They never were gonna let divx and mp3 players fly, either.
DVD recorders for home usage were gonna be impossible.

PC DvD players that completely ignore region codes and macrovision .. huh? They don't exist!

I have a tv that has an HDTV output (yes, that means I can daisy chain hdtv..) so, it's not as if there is some TECHNICAL facility preventing me from being able to watch video and then have that video output somewhere else.
 
CrimandEvil said:
And the Industry won't allow such a card to be made. Ever.

Which is why I said "it's the best your going to get."
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lol? nah, there are plenty of HD capture cards out there. You just have to shell out a pretty penny for them. We've got a few of them in the TV studio I have a repair tech job at. Matrox, Canopus, and Accustream have them available just to name a few we have.
 
w1retap said:
lol? nah, there are plenty of HD capture cards out there. You just have to shell out a pretty penny for them. We've got a few of them in the TV studio I have a repair tech job at. Matrox, Canopus, and Accustream have them available just to name a few we have.
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This is not OTA, right?

I can take my dvd player that has YPrPb output and stick it into my computer and watch the video from my dvd player on a computer LCD ?


The fact that they exist, but are expensive means a waiting game. Bluray burners are here, now, but they aren't cost effective. It used to be no "regular joe" had a dvd recorder.


I'm not talking about this concept so that I can "rip dvds" (since there would be far easier methods of doing that!) or even so I can just watch dvds (can just stick them in my dvd burner!) But it'd be nice to have a universal "Plug in the Y Pr Pb" and record function, or better yet, realtime pass-through playback like a "TV Tuner"
 
yea.. it supports pass through in real time. (or pretty darn near, doesn't really matter because it sync's the audio as well--only a few milliseconds diff from your source) We have them in our Non-Linear Editors I build for the studio. And yes.. its just plug in the YPrPb cables into the capture card and do whatever you want to do with it like record, watch, etc. Don't worry, the prices won't come down anytime within the next 4 or 5 years. Its professional video editing equipment. Look to pay anywhere from $1000 to $3000 for a decent HD capture card.
 
w1retap said:
. Look to pay anywhere from $1000 to $3000 for a decent HD capture card.
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Actually, all things considered, that's not bad (especially if the $1000 device did what I wanted)


I can buy a sharp aquos avc unit which has svideo, yprpb, hdmi, coax inputs, which will output onto svideo, dvi, and a proprietary hdmi for that same amount.. and that still doesn't give me "capture" but it does give me "Y Pr Pb" out to a non television LCD
 
Actually, to solve your issue, just go with the monitor I got.. its cheaper, and you won't have to worry about pass through. You can just hook up all your stuff to the TV. =)

Westinghouse W3 1080p 37'' 1920x1080. ;)
 
CrimandEvil said:
Thats cause they don't make them. ...
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Rubbish!
Of course they make them.

The problem is that most (if not all) component capture cards are for professional broadcast applications and cost thousands of dollars. For example the Canopus EDIUS SP costs about US$4000. The BlackMagic DeckLink HD Extreme is under US$1000 ... just.

Adrian
 
ok.. here's the thing though. If you want to be capturing HD content non-OTA, you need one of those HD capture cards if you want any sort of decent quality video and sync'd up video/audio. With the HD capture cards, just about all of them are PCI 64-bit, which means you need a special motherboard that is much more expensive. On top of that, you need that type motherboard that has the chipset approved by the manufacturer of the capture card you are buying. If you don't, trust me, it WILL NOT work at all. I've been through it before at least 10 times lol. Beyond that, you still might have issues with software running on the computer that the capture card doesn't like. For a non-linear editor, they recommend you only have the OS with updates & service packs, antivirus, editing/capture software, and nothing else. I've ran into many software conflicts, even with some windows updates.
 
w1retap said:
lol? nah, there are plenty of HD capture cards out there. You just have to shell out a pretty penny for them. We've got a few of them in the TV studio I have a repair tech job at. Matrox, Canopus, and Accustream have them available just to name a few we have.
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You (and Ajax9000) do understand the difference between "consumer" and "professional" level hardware, right? I said consumer level, thats not going to happen. Especially when the movie industry is so worried about "pirates."

Also, I'd love to see MCE or another PVR app support one of the multi thousand dollar HD in cards out there...
w1retap said:
ok.. here's the thing though. If you want to be capturing HD content non-OTA, you need one of those HD capture cards if you want any sort of decent quality video and sync'd up video/audio. With the HD capture cards, just about all of them are PCI 64-bit, which means you need a special motherboard that is much more expensive. On top of that, you need that type motherboard that has the chipset approved by the manufacturer of the capture card you are buying. If you don't, trust me, it WILL NOT work at all. I've been through it before at least 10 times lol. Beyond that, you still might have issues with software running on the computer that the capture card doesn't like. For a non-linear editor, they recommend you only have the OS with updates & service packs, antivirus, editing/capture software, and nothing else. I've ran into many software conflicts, even with some windows updates.
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Yeah, not going to happen.
 
Ajax9000 said:
Rubbish!
Of course they make them.

The problem is that most (if not all) component capture cards are for professional broadcast applications and cost thousands of dollars. For example the Canopus EDIUS SP costs about US$4000. The BlackMagic DeckLink HD Extreme is under US$1000 ... just.

Adrian
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fyi, blackmagic = junk, canopus = superior.
 
CrimandEvil said:
You (and Ajax9000) do understand the difference between "consumer" and "professional" level hardware, right? I said consumer level, thats not going to happen. Especially when the movie industry is so worried about "pirates."

Also, I'd love to see MCE or another PVR app support one of the multi thousand dollar HD in cards out there... Yeah, not going to happen.
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These cards will support most of your PVR apps. The canopus card shows up as an OHCI device. =)
 
w1retap said:
These cards will support most of your PVR apps. The canopus card shows up as an OHCI device. =)
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No, the PVR apps don't support the cards. I've seen people try to do this, the software support isn't there for it.
 
I work with them on a day to day basis and get paid to do so. You hope I'd be well aware of what they can do.
 
w1retap said:
I work with them on a day to day basis and get paid to do so. You hope I'd be well aware of what they can do.
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And I work with HTPCs. You'd think I'd know what kind of hardware the software is capable of supporting.
 
You must never heard of Vividlogic enabling the driver support for the HD capture in PVR software then. ;)
Go google and and come back talking like you know what it is.
 
Uhh.. yeah I think that most of the newer ATI "Wonder" or "All-in-Wonder" cards have YPbPr inputs. I had an X800XT AIW and it had that, if my memory serves me correctly. Right now, I have an ATI HDTV Wonder (tv tuner card only), but I think it also has the inputs for that.
 
Bo_Fox said:
Uhh.. yeah I think that most of the newer ATI "Wonder" or "All-in-Wonder" cards have YPbPr inputs. I had an X800XT AIW and it had that, if my memory serves me correctly. Right now, I have an ATI HDTV Wonder (tv tuner card only), but I think it also has the inputs for that.
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Those aren't inputs, they're outputs. Like this (comes with the AIW cards):
http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2693358

Like I said, there isn't a consumer level card on the market that does Component/ Y Pr Pb input. It's not a secure connection and no one wants to be sued by Hollywood for one.
 
CrimandEvil said:
You (and Ajax9000) do understand the difference between "consumer" and "professional" level hardware, right?
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Yes.
I said consumer level, ...
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Well actually, no you didn't. If you had said "consumer level" in the post I quoted I would have responded differently.

(25) You are allowed one signature per post. A signature section is supplied for that usage. No one wants to see your name on your posts multiple times as it is annoying.
 
You're looking at rich videophile home theater, broadcast gear. So if you've been saving for a small car, you can put it on hold and buy one. Component much like HDMI would be feeding the device RAW video. The bandwidth cost is huge. Hope you have extra cash for raid and scsi. You're playing with power now. They are spitting out DEcoded, previous life compressed, HD. There are a lot of crazies out there with deep pockets, you still don't see recording devices with component or HDMI IN anywhere dealing with consumer goods, because it's just not feasible for mortals. That's my somewhat loose understanding but you get the gist.

I smell a DVR in your future even with the restrictions. Fuck I been thinking of a D-VHS, to archive via fire wire recordings, being a 5C copyright compliant device. Your options of recording HD without being over the air is limited. Tivo Series 3, Scientific Atlanta 8000HD, 8300HD, Sony DHG-HDD250 etc. I know it's a far cry from what you want to do probably, but for now people suceed to the machine. Right now they know there is more HD content on HBO, cinemax, showtime etc than you can get for your swank new blu-ray or Hd-dvd. The force is against us. What we need is a device for computers more like the DVRs with cable card support. Then we can get MPEG etc stuff without being rockefeller. Basically what the DVRs and Tivos of the world are capturing. May come with vista and it's improved antipirating stuff. For now they want me and you to shut up, go away, and not be the first to try new cracks that may result from being unleashed to the PC. :(

If you have a cable box not locked down like a prison you may be able to archive it via firewire. Things like this seem like much of what the "yeah you can" argument is coming from. See above. That's properly compressed. However when I read component in, RAW is looking back at me as the hurdle. I'm with you. I'd also drop 1k without blinking for what you want. Unfortunately, that's a nice START! Nothing more.
 
CrimandEvil said:
Those aren't inputs, they're outputs. Like this (comes with the AIW cards):
http://shop.ati.com/product.asp?sku=2693358

Like I said, there isn't a consumer level card on the market that does Component/ Y Pr Pb input. It's not a secure connection and no one wants to be sued by Hollywood for one.
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Sued by hollywood? Ohhh.. come on! It wont be ATI's fault or anything like that. It's just riddiculous!
 
Ajax9000 said:
Rubbish!
Of course they make them.

The problem is that most (if not all) component capture cards are for professional broadcast applications and cost thousands of dollars. For example the Canopus EDIUS SP costs about US$4000. The BlackMagic DeckLink HD Extreme is under US$1000 ... just.

Adrian
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OMG! That Canopus card is one of the coolest things I've ever seen. I have no use for it whatsoever, but she sheer beauty and power of that card is a thing to behold. Ajax9000, you have made my life a little brighter. Thank you.
 
CrimandEvil said:
And I work with HTPCs. You'd think I'd know what kind of hardware the software is capable of supporting.
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no...



you can't ever claim to have anything to do with the home theater industry, and say 1,000 dollars for a piece of equipment is too much for consumers...


1,000 dollars is a joke to most HT people... spend 1/2 of that on a f'n remote
 
Verge said:
no...



you can't ever claim to have anything to do with the home theater industry, and say 1,000 dollars for a piece of equipment is too much for consumers...


1,000 dollars is a joke to most HT people... spend 1/2 of that on a f'n remote
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HTPC, as in Home Theater PC. Home Theater nuts wouldn't even build an HTPC, instead they'd spend the money to get dedicated hardware that does pretty much the same thing. Also, they're not considered "consumers" they're called "prosumers."

:rolleyes: Damn, you people fail.
 
CrimandEvil said:
HTPC, as in Home Theater PC. Home Theater nuts wouldn't even build an HTPC, instead they'd spend the money to get dedicated hardware that does pretty much the same thing. Also, they're not considered "consumers" they're called "prosumers."

:rolleyes: Damn, you people fail.
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Whilst seperates are an entirely valid way to go (and as you say people who are total HT nuts tend to do so), don't forget that may people are after convergence. And if I was someone prepared to spend 5-figure sums on HT (as rather than 6-figures), something like the Canopus EDIUS SP could well be an option.

Adrian
 
Well, then.. is there a converter or an adapter for changing the YPbPr input to DVI or VGA or something like that?
 
w1retap said:
Actually, to solve your issue, just go with the monitor I got.. its cheaper, and you won't have to worry about pass through. You can just hook up all your stuff to the TV. =)

Westinghouse W3 1080p 37'' 1920x1080. ;)
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Westy 37" 1920x1080
$1299
vs.
Dell 2560x1200, 30", $1200


I feel as if I've had THAT discussion before, on another forum
I already own an aquos 37" lcd. It powers my HTPC.

Your solution does not allow for "Capture", nor does it allow for "hdtv input to my pc that I can put in a window on the screen" But thank you for your suggestion, anyhow
 
CrimandEvil said:
You (and Ajax9000) do understand the difference between "consumer" and "professional" level hardware, right? I said consumer level, thats not going to happen. Especially when the movie industry is so worried about "pirates."
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actually, looking back at your post, unless you later edit it, you did NOT specify consumer level. You simply said they'll never let them be made.

CrimandEvil said:
Thats cause they don't make them. This is the best you're going to get: http://www.x2vga.com/
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CrimandEvil said:
And the Industry won't allow such a card to be made. Ever.
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CrimandEvil said:
Which is why I said "it's the best your going to get."
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Bo_Fox said:
Uhh.. yeah I think that most of the newer ATI "Wonder" or "All-in-Wonder" cards have YPbPr inputs. I had an X800XT AIW and it had that, if my memory serves me correctly. Right now, I have an ATI HDTV Wonder (tv tuner card only), but I think it also has the inputs for that.
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I have an X800GTO2 card in the computer in question. I have the Y Pr Pb dongle.
I can guarantee you. It's an output.

Bo_Fox said:
Sued by hollywood? Ohhh.. come on! It wont be ATI's fault or anything like that. It's just riddiculous!
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Gun manufacturers get sued by victims of gun related death.
XM Radio is being sued by RIAA When it would be the USERS who are doing the infringement.
 
Yeah, I know. This question gets asked often enough that sometimes it's hard to remember what was said in which thread. lol
Gun manufacturers get sued by victims of gun related death.
XM Radio is being sued by RIAA When it would be the USERS who are doing the infringement.
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I think he forgot that we're talking the MPAA/RIAA here. Whilest the MPAA has shown that it's not entirely nuts, unlike the RIAA, they still think of their consumers are potential "pirates." We're not talking entirely sane people here.

Oh, that Blackmajic HDMI input card you linked to won't work either since it doesn't support HDCP (which demostrates Hollywoods contempt for it's consumers).
 
Ajax9000 said:
Whilst seperates are an entirely valid way to go (and as you say people who are total HT nuts tend to do so), don't forget that may people are after convergence. And if I was someone prepared to spend 5-figure sums on HT (as rather than 6-figures), something like the Canopus EDIUS SP could well be an option.

Adrian
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cut out the posting adrian in ur posts

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