XP Reprieve

Yeah, I know how XP users feel: I didn't want to go to class that first day of primary school, either. :rolleyes:
 
Uh oh, prepare for mandatory "this proves that Vista wasn't/isn't/can't be ready" comments.
 
All that is left for Microsoft to make right by gamers is introduce DX10, or 10.1 or 11, or whatever they want to call it in the Windows XP SP3 service pack so we can all rightfully avoid Vista much like we avoided the GeForce FX series.

Microsoft got a chuckle from us for Microsoft Bob and a free-pass for Windows ME, but now they get the shaft for Vista.
 
Wingnut420 said:
All that is left for Microsoft to make right by gamers is introduce DX10, or 10.1 or 11, or whatever they want to call it in the Windows XP SP3 service pack so we can all rightfully avoid Vista much like we avoided the GeForce FX series.

Microsoft got a chuckle from us for Microsoft Bob and a free-pass for Windows ME, but now they get the shaft for Vista.
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DX10 cant be done for XP without complete rewrite, get over it.
 
HOCP4ME said:
Uh oh, prepare for mandatory "this proves that Vista wasn't/isn't/can't be ready" comments.
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Doesn't it partly prove that at least Microsoft thinks so now? Honestly, all I can find in print media is how good Vista is, little to no mention of customer issues and general dissatisfaction. Even the MS statement that consumers needed more time was dancing around the reason why. I warn people all the time to make certain that the computer they buy has the XP drivers if you want to downgrade, since it seems to me that MS must've had a hand in locking Vista in on the new machines that way. I am in a small shop and see people every week disappointed with Vista and want to downgrade. I'd say it is about 35% here that want to downgrade.

I am still hesitant due to the whole DRM and HDCP situation, and I am still concerned about the TCM. The DX10 requirement thing persuades me to buy an Xbox anyway, though I'd sooner go for a Wii instead.

I had ATI driver issues with Vista's beta's at home, and upgrade, CD Burning, slow boot, and domain credential issues once I installed a release version at work. I got tired of rebooting my machine every day when I came in to work. I often left it working overnight, and I then lost that work. And by reboot, I mean hard reset.

Maybe, it doesn't prove that Vista isn't ready for prime time. Maybe, those of us with real problems are in the minority. But at least it proves that MS recognizes that there is a lot of upgrade resistance. And I am certain we will never know the real reason why they believe this is so, not from them.
 
Also i forgot i cant edit the post, but both of those games are Directx 9 as well, all it does is check for vista. Hacks for halo 2 and such to run in XP have been around for a bit.
 
Vashypooh said:
Also i forgot i cant edit the post, but both of those games are Directx 9 as well, all it does is check for vista. Hacks for halo 2 and such to run in XP have been around for a bit.
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*Shrugs* I refrain from using the words, "never" and "impossible" when talking about computer code. You never know. DX10 being Vista only was an artificial limit, not a hardware one.
 
They would as its been stated have to rewrite the entire kernel to make XP run DX10. They did, its called vista.
 
Vashypooh said:
They would as its been stated have to rewrite the entire kernel to make XP run DX10. They did, its called vista.
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Your stubborn ignorance can not disguise the technical truth, DX10 is a software implementation in Vista and as such can be imported to Windows XP.

Any argument you continue to make that has as its underpinning that it is technically not possible, shows how resistant to education you are Vashypooh, behold the Alky Project.

http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/2007/04/finally-making-use-of-this-blog-i.html
 
Wingnut420 said:
Your stubborn ignorance can not disguise the technical truth, DX10 is a software implementation in Vista and as such can be imported to Windows XP.

Any argument you continue to make that has as its underpinning that it is technically not possible, shows how resistant to education you are Vashypooh, behold the Alky Project.

http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/2007/04/finally-making-use-of-this-blog-i.html
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DX10 is written into the kernel, it is not some external thing like it was in XP. Everything in vista graphically is designed from DX10. Down to how drivers work.

Alky project is NOT bringing full DX10 to XP. This has been said before. They are going to attempt to create a wrapper for it just like the way Linux works trying to emulate DX10. To put it into perspective, Linux BARELY has dx8 and 9 working well enough to game.

You will not get the awesome new looks of DX10, the game will look a little watered down since it isn't able to use the hardware in a DX10 mode. They are converting the game to OpenGL basicaly.
 
verteron said:
I am still hesitant due to the whole DRM and HDCP situation, and I am still concerned about the TCM. The DX10 requirement thing persuades me to buy an Xbox anyway, though I'd sooner go for a Wii instead.

I had ATI driver issues with Vista's beta's at home, and upgrade, CD Burning, slow boot, and domain credential issues once I installed a release version at work. I got tired of rebooting my machine every day when I came in to work. I often left it working overnight, and I then lost that work. And by reboot, I mean hard reset.

Maybe, it doesn't prove that Vista isn't ready for prime time. Maybe, those of us with real problems are in the minority. But at least it proves that MS recognizes that there is a lot of upgrade resistance. And I am certain we will never know the real reason why they believe this is so, not from them.
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I have to ask, have you tried the release of Vista? The beta sucked, and so did ATI's drivers. I have it on two computers and find it very stable. I will say that I understand that my experience does not reflect everyones though.
 
XP has been reasonably stable for me, no issue there. I just do not have a reason to go to Vista. Fancy graphics and shiny objects do not amuse me ;-)
 
Wingnut420 said:
Your stubborn ignorance can not disguise the technical truth, DX10 is a software implementation in Vista and as such can be imported to Windows XP.

Any argument you continue to make that has as its underpinning that it is technically not possible, shows how resistant to education you are Vashypooh, behold the Alky Project.

http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/2007/04/finally-making-use-of-this-blog-i.html
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Not gonna work at 100%. Like other people have stated, they might be able to wrap it around another engine but they will never be able to get full functionality.
 
verteron said:
Doesn't it partly prove that at least Microsoft thinks so now? Honestly, all I can find in print media is how good Vista is, little to no mention of customer issues and general dissatisfaction. Even the MS statement that consumers needed more time was dancing around the reason why. I warn people all the time to make certain that the computer they buy has the XP drivers if you want to downgrade, since it seems to me that MS must've had a hand in locking Vista in on the new machines that way. I am in a small shop and see people every week disappointed with Vista and want to downgrade. I'd say it is about 35% here that want to downgrade.

I am still hesitant due to the whole DRM and HDCP situation, and I am still concerned about the TCM. The DX10 requirement thing persuades me to buy an Xbox anyway, though I'd sooner go for a Wii instead.

I had ATI driver issues with Vista's beta's at home, and upgrade, CD Burning, slow boot, and domain credential issues once I installed a release version at work. I got tired of rebooting my machine every day when I came in to work. I often left it working overnight, and I then lost that work. And by reboot, I mean hard reset.

Maybe, it doesn't prove that Vista isn't ready for prime time. Maybe, those of us with real problems are in the minority. But at least it proves that MS recognizes that there is a lot of upgrade resistance. And I am certain we will never know the real reason why they believe this is so, not from them.
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Yeah, MS is admitting that there is upgrade resistance. I think most of that upgrade resistance is due to MS-haters making a big deal of minor problems, however (I am NOT referring to anyone who has posted in this topic).

What I find funny is this:

Vista is released: "Hey, this OS isn't ready for primetime; stupid Microsoft needs to release a service pack!"

SP1 is released: "Hey, this OS needed a service pack already; stupid Microsoft must have released when it wasn't ready for primetime."

Bashing MS for problems with Vista and then bashing them for fixing those problems just doesn't make sense.
 
i have both xp and vista, vista is on my laptop, which is high end enough to get an idea of how well it *can* work. however, as a gamer i am not yet willing to sacrifice some of my valuable hardware resources to the underlying OS, even stripping off most of the shine of vista eats more system resources than my XP. Do i like vista? for an htpc most certainly! for a gaming system...not yet.

The best way i described vista to a class i was teaching was this.

XP is the culmination of a failed os (ME) and a home unfriendly good os (2000). It took the best of 2000 and the 9x series and made a fairly stable, rather hard to beat OS (i'm not taking into account linux, which is great if you are into that).

i have to take the motto of..."if it isn't broke don't fix it" XP already does everything i need it to do and i have it trimmed to not be a resource hog. simply put, there is nothing compelling me to fully switch over to vista on anything aside from an htpc.

though to be fair i will admit i am not an early adopter of anything. i upgraded to xp from 98se when sp2 came out, and 98 was not nearly as good as xp is.
 
No debate, Vista sux goat balls.
I was a beta tester and dint like what I saw. I bought a new laptop this April and had Vista forced upon me. (I needed a new laptop and Vista was the only OS choice.)
The OS is always crashing. Programs keep crashing in it. There are alot of programs that wont even launch or install.
This is turning out to be a bigger failure than ME.:mad:
 
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