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Currently I have my HDs set up like this:awdark said:
I assume you have evidence or proof of some kind for this info? While I agree with you on some accounts I don't on others.KoolDrew said:
The only reason to partition a hard disk is for pseudo data security as mentioned previously. I personally do this just to protect my data from the annual Windows rebuild. Also in case the OS craps on itself it's all intact when you go looking for it.KoolDrew said:
Given your first statement, we should ignore your entire post. You gain absolutely nothing by having your apps separate from your OS volume. You want your data files separate, but not your apps. It's pure common sense. Your data files aren't stored with your programs, so this is a moot point.Joshua said:
KoolDrew said:
It doesn't??? Every time a user's machine gets hosed, we nuke the OS+apps and never touch the user's data. In our environment, we obviously keep the user's data on a network share, but logically this isn't any different than a partition.KoolDres said:
You made a wild claim, and now you should show proof, which is exactly what you were preaching about in your first section. If you took simple basic steps to maintain your HDD, fragmentation wouldn't be a problem. Again, nothing you've shown has given any reasons for why you'd separate your OS from your apps. If you leave your apps and OS on the same partition, you're still not going to loose your important files because they aren't stored there anyway, as you claim. I also try a lot of different freeware apps, and when I remove them, I uninstall, then run a regcleaner....problem solved. Fragmentation is never a problem, and certainly not something diskeeper or any other defrag app couldn't fix. If you were sharper on the technical aspects, as you claim, you'd understand why your comments don't make sense.Joshua said:
You never told me a thing. Instead, you began spouting your own little "tweak" suggestion as if it were just a fact everyone should accept and that anyone who didn't was mentally deficient. No, you didn't use those exact words, but you hardly held back on the inference.Joshua said:
Aaannnd, the backpedaling begins.Joshua said:
Perhaps they look that way to the uneducated and ignorant of how the operating system is actually working (like yourself), but in reality the differences in just how the application that runs on an NT operating system and interacts with the OS it runs on is very much a different thing. The only irony here is that the way in which it interactsrunning in completely segregated memory and mostly in "user space" instead of "system space" (I'm using very simple terms here on purpose)is very much similar to the *nix mode of operating, which is very different from Win 3.1/9x, where a single application could bring the system crashing down to a blue screen even if it was the program crashing and not the program trying to access protected memory unauthorized.Joshua said:
But it cares very much about %APPDATA% and %PROGRAMFILES% (and %TEMP% and %TMP% and more), and if applications aren't using those environment variables then the chances for a borked install after using a separate partition to "recover" with less hassle is greatly increased.Joshua said:
Because you are gullible enough to take OS tips from a company who makes games.Joshua said:
No, because a marginal amount of fragmentation still occurs. It's not a bad idea to run a defrag every six or twelve months or so. Nothing like the weekly or monthly ritual from 9x-hell. Even with the fragmentation that happens, it does not significantly affect any performance becauseand I have no idea why I'm even bothering to explain this to someone who seems to be claiming to have a working knowledge of *nixNTFS is a journaled file system that has an indexing service that removes most of the need for defragmentation on large drives in the first place.Joshua said:
Correction: a great deal of programs will not work this way. As I already said, if your home computer is a one-trick pony that pretends to be a game console, your chances are good. Otherwise, the risk is high for program-borking.Joshua said:
Yay anecdotal evidence. I've done numerous repair installs that basically does the same thingreinstalls the OS components without removing the data on the partition, thus leaving all those installed folders in Program Files untouchedwhere applications were completely screwed and no renaming folders would work. Numerous times. I even mentioned some programs in my first post in this thread (Office, Adobe apps) that are notorious for this. This has occurred many times on many different computers and configurations. My anecdotes far outnumber your personal ones, because I'm talking about more than just myself.Joshua said:
I've been doing it for years, and I can even take a look at a program's components and be able to tell you which ones will work and which ones won't. You need to chill out and re-read what I said instead of claiming I said things that I didn't. I didn't say it was a bad idea because it would never work, I said it was a bad idea because most people will try it with everything and wind up with a crapload of non-game applications that have proven to not work. I said that suggesting that practice to individuals who use their computers for something other than gaming is a bad idea because it works strictly from the assumption that everyone runs their home PC as a one-trick pony.Joshua said:
How about you work on not trying to sound so superior and accept that there just may happen to be people who are members of this forum who know more about the Windows operating system than you? I sure as heck know members here who know more about it than me, and I sure as heck know you aren't one of them judging by your claims in this thread and subsequent backpedaling. I'm giving you an out: just admit you didn't know and were working solely from the perspective of gaming, and let's be done with it.Joshua said:
)Ahh, the ever-popular e-cock match. You're going to be fighting a losing battle if you play that game with me, boy.Joshua said:
You stated that separating the program install folder from the system partition was a good idea, citing a couple games as your "evidence." I presented the fact that while such a practice may work if you only play games, most personal computers do much more than that and many of the most common programs out there (I even named some) would experience problems if you tried that tactic. Interestingly enough, you have done jack and shit to prove otherwise, and once again fell back on "well I installed this game and it works" as your only supporting point. I posted information regarding environment variables used in program configurations, yet you provided no alternate supporting points for your claims. I pointed out exactly why someone like you would make the fallacious claim that 2k/XP is just like 9x and would be incorrect, even going as far as giving you a link that explains it in very simplified terms, and yet you provide no support for your claims (but you toss insults as a reply).Joshua said:
Ahh, shifting context in a weak (and unsuccessful) attempt to discredit. I pointed out the compatibility mode in order to make clear that your association with 3.1/9x interaction and NT/2k/XP interaction with programs was based on false data. You claimed to understand how it worked based on a 'what I see' methodology, while I pointed out how you were seeing only the end result of a much more complex process. You have still done nothing to argue against the NT method of running programs in userspace, which is a key element of why sticking programs on a separate partition can be troublesome if the OS is reinstalled. Once again, you are making baseless claims and offering no support for your claims, while at the same time doing nothing to refute claims and explanations that poke holes in your posts.Joshua said:
No, the games you play will use environment variables on a consistent basis, many other programs use paths instead of environment variables, or they only use the environment variables that carried over from the 9x programming. However, you display no understanding of this and are instead resorting to name-calling to try to sound validated (and not succeeding).Joshua said:
No, you are quoting a game developer as gospel, ignoring the basic understanding of the operating system it runs on. As for the page file, there is already a thread that covers that in much detailgo ahead and try thread-crapping over there and watch as your claims get quickly debunked by many different people.Joshua said:
Interesting. I work for a fortune 500 company right now, have worked at numerous different locations from web hosts to business consultants, and have been "in the business" since you were likely in high school. However, none of that is what I'm claiming as making my posts more valid. Instead, I am explaining what I mean and using related information to back it up. You, however, are just citing a few games as your sole source, and doing jack to back up that claim outside of your personal anecdotal evidence (which, as far as anyone else could be concerned, could be a lie). Don't try to get into a credentials war with me, because it's not productive and has no bearing on whether or not your claims have any credibility. I've already explained the credibility of your claims as being workable only under narrow circumstances with a specific configuration, and pointed out why that is not a valid "best practice" for the majority of systems. You have done nothing to back up your claims.Joshua said:
Since I never said having multiple partitions is a bad thing, you are barking up a tree that isn't there. I said that installing your programs from a separate partition than your system is going to cause problems for non-games. You can't even seem to wrap your head around that concept, and yet you still can do no more than throw insults.Joshua said:
Perhaps you should lay off the smack for a while and sober up some. You're getting a bit too belligerent.Joshua said:
That's a pretty darned good bet. Also, if you can keep the data and the backup on separate physical hard drives, you stand the best chances of making sure your data will always be safe. If one drive goes 'ker-blooey' you'll still have the other to back up from.FreshPrinceOfBellAir said:Damn! I figured I'd only get 2 or 3 replies.
So in conclusion:
OS and Apps on C: Data on D: = Better than 1 Partition
OS, Apps, Data on C: w/ 2nd HDD for back up = Best
Do I got it straight? Thaks to everyone
