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They can have it.https://www.msn.com/en-us/lifestyle...tart-saving/ar-AA1XGTJx?ocid=sapphireappshare
Fallout 5 might be exclusive to Helix
Is the Software going to be Xbox Live or something for PC games? I doubt I'll be able to link my Steam Libarary or Epic Library to this thing.
I read somewhere that it's going to be going back to UWP, of all things.Is the Software going to be Xbox Live or something for PC games? I doubt I'll be able to link my Steam Libarary or Epic Library to this thing.
wrongI read somewhere that it's going to be going back to UWP, of all things.
tim sweeney confirmed that epic store will be availableIs the Software going to be Xbox Live or something for PC games? I doubt I'll be able to link my Steam Libarary or Epic Library to this thing.
This is good news, but Sony is also going to use custom AMD hardware with similar GPU tech. This is Microsoft trying to both get ahead of Sony's narrative and to emphasize the PC game compatibiliy that will serve as Helix's main draw.
My questions surround timing. Dev kits arrive in 2027, wonderful... but does Helix reach customers that year? Will Helix launch close to or before the PS6? Microsoft can hit all the right price and performance marks, but that won't matter if its console arrives long after Sony's.
If I had to guess - just Windows (with the game only interface seen on recent Windows handhelds) and Window Store PC games for new games/other store front games going forward and the 'backwards compatible XBOX games' are just VMs/Hypervisor (as games, native and backwards compatible were on the XBOX consoles for a while, and that Windows has had support for - Hypervisor/VM - for a while).
A fair point, and I'm hopeful that's the case here. It's just that Microsoft doesn't have much room to breathe. It needs to deliver Helix on time for the holidays and price it to attract more than just enthusiasts.Last gen dev kits went out in March 2020 and console launched Nov 2020 - not much turn around needed with the (more and more) PC-fying of consoles/console HW (then to even moreso this gen for XBOX)
It needs to deliver Helix on time for the holidays and price it to attract more than just enthusiasts.
of course, the battle will not be won or lost on the hardware side (xbox X was perfectly fine), but the rest of the experience and games.This is good news, but Sony is also going to use custom AMD hardware with similar GPU tech
I read somewhere that it's going to be going back to UWP, of all things.
bullshit reporting by tech power up. shocking.“Latest Leak Reveals Xbox Helix Will Effectively Just Be a PC With No Custom APU
by Cpt.Jank Today, 17:07 Discuss (0 Comments)
When Microsoft announced the next-gen Xbox Project Helix, it confirmed what had been long rumored—that Helix would be a console-PC hybrid, just like Valve's upcoming Steam Machine, able to play both PC and Xbox games. Although it has not yet been confirmed what shape this hybrid experience will take, a recent leak from insider KeplerL2 on the NeoGAF forums has potentially revealed some information about what to expect from Project Helix. While it was previously rumored that the upcoming Xbox hardware would be more powerful than the Canis and Orion APUs Sony is working on for the PS6 series, it now seems as Xbox's Project Helix console APU will feature no customization at all, making it basically a bog-standard PC, albeit a decently powerful one, at that.
This would effectively end the era of console performance back-and-forth that Sony and Xbox have been engaged in since what feels like the dawn of time. It also has a few implications for upcoming scaling methods. For starters, and this is more or less confirmed by KeplerL2, it means that tech like the upcoming FSR Diamond upscaling tech will be cross-platform, perhaps with small tweaks or different presets on a per-platform basis. It also means that the recent rumor that Microsoft was looking to return to platform-exclusive games would culminate in PC and Xbox exclusives, rather than simply Xbox exclusives, if that rumor turns out to be true. It seems as though Helix will still feature RDNA 5 graphics and Zen 6/6c CPU cores, but it will likely be similar to the situation we've seen with the AMD Ryzen Z1 Extreme and Ryzen Z2 used by most Windows gaming handhelds in 2026.“
even if this gpu chiplet in xbox helix/magnus is identical to radeon 10070xt gpu, we have to keep in mind that 95% of pc gamers use nvidiabullshit reporting by tech power up. shocking.
the gpu is shared with amd radeon
but the soc as a whole — including cpu, npu, unified gddr7 — is semi-custom
I mean Lisa Su officially reported this under the revenue growth for semi-custom category in annual report.
that not what we saw in pratice it is usually a lot of work and optimisation for both, many AMD sponsored games ran better on Nvidia and vice versa (all title must be well optimised for RDNA because of consoles to start with, that non-negotiable and if you have a pc release for Nvidia because of market share, also non-negotiable), Alan Wake 2 was still heavily optimised for AMD, 9070xt nitro beating the 5080 at 1440p and matching the 4070ti super in raytracing. In Pragmata the 9070xt match the 5070ti with RT on.similarly any game built as (xbox) playanywhere can be deployed to both pc & console. it will be optimized for RDNA 5 — unless it is an nvidia sponsored game on PC.
would be interesting to see how Microsoft first party games (ABK & Bethesda) behave this roundA big single poll of unified memory could make it still different from regular PC, even if the cache system and driver will be closer.
that not what we saw in pratice it is usually a lot of work and optimisation for both, many AMD sponsored games ran better on Nvidia and vice versa (all title must be well optimised for RDNA because of consoles to start with, that non-negotiable and if you have a pc release for Nvidia because of market share, also non-negotiable), Alan Wake 2 was still heavily optimised for AMD, 9070xt nitro beating the 5080 at 1440p and matching the 4070ti super in raytracing. In Pragmata the 9070xt match the 5070ti with RT on.
This was a way oversold point of the 2 last generation of consoles that were all AMD and close to the PC version on the ps/xbox side and will be again I feel like. Big game engine like unreal, unity, in house ubisoft, ea, etc... will always optimise for both, doing games that are not always sponsored by the same team and having lot of targets to support.
Moore's Law Is DeadWhat's even more of a cause for optimism, though, is how much better PS6 and Helix will be. Helix is basically a high-end PC, even using the same silicon as AMD's 70-class or maybe 80-class RDNA 5 GPUs. It isn't an ultra-level of PC hardware, but still far more powerful than consoles usually have. It will have the biggest APU in console history... Yes it will be expensive, but guys, if it's even $1,200, it's like a $2-3,000 gaming PC. That's disruptive."
its a next gen 70xt"Leaker Calls Xbox Helix Console Equivalent to $2-3,000 Gaming PC
by Cpt.Jank Today, 17:11 Discuss (5 Comments)
Recent rumors revealed that Microsoft may be ditching APU customization for Xbox Project Helix, its upcoming PC-console hybrid that is expected to launch around the $1,000 mark, opting instead for an off-the-shelf AMD APU that will seemingly be available to other manufacturers as well. Now, per a new rumor by ubiquitous leaker Moore's Law Is Dead on the Broken Silicon podcast, it seems as though that high price may come with a significant performance boost.
Doubt it. It will be expensive and a total flop. People bitching and crying about current console prices. How do they think a $1000+ will be recieved?"Leaker Calls Xbox Helix Console Equivalent to $2-3,000 Gaming PC
by Cpt.Jank Today, 17:11 Discuss (5 Comments)
Recent rumors revealed that Microsoft may be ditching APU customization for Xbox Project Helix, its upcoming PC-console hybrid that is expected to launch around the $1,000 mark, opting instead for an off-the-shelf AMD APU that will seemingly be available to other manufacturers as well. Now, per a new rumor by ubiquitous leaker Moore's Law Is Dead on the Broken Silicon podcast, it seems as though that high price may come with a significant performance boost.