I think I might be skipping this unless it is priced 100 less than ps4. Ps4 just looks like its going to have a better game experience. Ps4 is worth it just for specs alone, Microsoft decided to cheap out on the graphics chip and ddr3 memory, just makes me run away from it. Kill zone just looked too damn good.
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Xbox One Pre-Orders Are Extremely High
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Knowing what cell tower you used isn't quite the same as your exact location
Your phone has to have that app installed into it. If your phone was compromised and you caught the guy in the act of doing it, you would just say hello and wait for him to be done?
There's no reason for this to be inevitable. The only reason it seems that way is because people are lemmings and all have to have a visible brand name and we're lucky to have 2 companies to choose from. So people have done themselves a disservice by killing competition. Of course the government looking the other way to anti-competitive practices like contracts that are hard to terminate and phone dumping don't help.
The other reason is that our government officials are in the pocket of these companies like never before, even going back a 100 years. The worst one, ironically, are the ones who pay lip service to the anti-corporate buzz. They are the most in bed with the people looking to exploit invading your privacy.
Indeed, we know even less about the PS4 than we do the One at this point.
I think the term is feckless.
I just get very tired when the new consoles come out as its a boom time for bad journalism.
Basically any tech site can put out totally misleading and bogus articles titled like
"New Xbox requires Anal Probe to play used games!"
And then they just sit back and enjoy the flame wars and extra easy click revenue.
But the annoying thing is that it seems 80% of the muppets out there take it as confirmed and genuine.
I am constantly amazed at how so many take the phrase "we have heard on the grapevine thought it's unconfirmed" as "This is totally confirmed by Microsoft's lawyers and Steve Ballmer himself!"
Wake up people, just think about what you are reading.
Baller.
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Shipped DOESN'T mean anything if your competitor only reports SALES numbers. Sony is the only one of the big three that never discloses total SALES number, only SHIPPED numbers. And Sony is known to flood their supply network to boost their numbers. Why does no one understand this?
Depends who you believe. That was an IDC report that claimed PS3 units shipped had exceeded 360 by 1 million units. But, numbers for units sold released by both vendors are so close as to be hard to tell the difference between the two.
Now take the data from Japan where Sony is about 6 million ahead of Microsoft for an obvious reason. So, lets assume that Sony has shipped 77 million worldwide and MS has shipped 76 million worldwide (per IDC). If you factor out Japan where Sony has a massive lead due to home-town favouritism ... the numbers shift millions in favour of MS. But, in total hardware, Sony is tied or slightly ahead depending on which reports you believe.
But, looking purely at hardware sold is a rather narrow view since the hardware is just a method to put games in your home. If you look in terms of games sold the numbers shift heavily in favour of MS. The Xbox 360 moved something like 730 million games and the PS3 moved 630 million games. That's a fairly big gap.
So, while the console sales numbers are pretty damned neck and neck, on games sold MS is way out in front and that's why Sony's struggling financially and the gaming division at MS is doing well.
Personally, I haven't turned on a console in 4-5 months. Been gaming on my PC exclusively right now and I'm in no rush to buy a new console unless the XboxOne media related stuff proves itself to match the hype.
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Nintendo's E3 lineup is confirmed to have a new 3D mario game, Smash brothers, Mario Kart, and a few more. It is highly rumored that Retro Studios (They made Metroid Prime) will be showing off an entirely new IP they've been working on for years.
Otherwise, they have Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Wind Waker HD and Deus Ex Human Revolution Director's Cut confirmed to be coming out this year, along with suggestions that Bayonetta 2 and the new Mario game to be released as well.
Honestly, I love the Wii U and I love the quality of game that Nintendo comes out with, but I just wish we'd get more of them. I also feel like I'm missing out if that's my only console. I have an Xbox 360, but with the lack of backwards compatibility, I feel like I have a clean slate to choose between PC, Xbox One and PS4. I haven't liked Sony for a long time, so I would need some convincing to take that one.
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There's a reason GDDR5 ram is only used on video cards in the PC realm, and it's not just the price. It has a latency issue, and I imagine that a well designed pipeline in the Xbox One could, theoretically, eliminate any advantage that GDDR5 ram provides.
And beyond that, what specs are you talking about? Specs gleamed from the zero actual information that came from Microsoft? I saw the "numbers" people are looking at online, but they came out of nowhere. Microsoft didn't even provide clock speeds for the Xbox One processor. So all you're looking at is a bunch of theories concocted by Sony fanboys, and those are the last people I'd trust.
And, once again, Killzone wasn't running on a PS4. I don't know why people need to remind you time after time that if you don't want to be dissapointed that you need to pay attention and actually wait for the games to be running on the console.
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I personally will probably not buy it but not for the reasons mentioned in this thread. I used to have a PS2, Xbox and Xbox 360 but they ended up just collecting dust. (Do not get me wrong, they are all fun in their own right with the right games but, I am older now and just do not have the time to play games like I used too.)
That and will all the digital downloads and steam sales, I have more games on my computer than I could ever get around to playing. I also have a 360 controller on my computer which works great when I just want to sit back and enjoy. (I have had my computer hooked to my tv for nearly the last 4 years and it is my main entertainment device at home.)
I like these new consoles and all but I just know they will be dust collectors as well. (I will buy a 360 though for the right price just because.)
That and will all the digital downloads and steam sales, I have more games on my computer than I could ever get around to playing. I also have a 360 controller on my computer which works great when I just want to sit back and enjoy. (I have had my computer hooked to my tv for nearly the last 4 years and it is my main entertainment device at home.)
I like these new consoles and all but I just know they will be dust collectors as well. (I will buy a 360 though for the right price just because.)
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I'm preordering it. And preordering the ps4. I dont really care how much hate everyone has for it, legitimately or not. I want one and both!
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hardcore gamer, period. PC or Console.
Which is exactly why there was so much focus on the media capabilities during the review.
That's how I feel when I take the train to work...I'll just leave this here.
Yeah exactly, gamers have to remember the world no longer revolves around them.
Far more that companies can offer nowadays in a 'entertainment box'.
Sony and MS would be mad to not target that.
I see the PS4 and X1 mainly now as home entertainment centres with playing games as an added feature.
As I'm now over the age of 40 that's fine with me.
This is probably how it'll play out. Not enough people stick to their guns. I can't say I'm really perfect on that either. Since I bought the Mass Effect Series, but in my defense, I started it before EA took over. And i also bought NG2 from Best Buy because I couldn't find it any where else... a sad day for me.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, though wouldn't all the money made off the previous Xbox's be made for "gamers"?
That said, I'm probably not much of a "gamer". I very occasionally play games.
I bet if you look at the usage stats for the 360 and PS3 you would see a marked increase in media consumption on them and a decrease in gaming over the past few years.
Extrapolate that for the next 8 years......
Sony and MS have done the math.
I like TB too but disagree with his used games reasoning. In fact I ultimately agree that used games probably hurt the industry, the arguments he makes are pretty weak. In that tube vid I think his reasoning is wrong especially in regards to comparisons to DVD/CD/Books. Just become something else has more revenue streams doesn't mean the "actual"reasoning for/against used sales is any more or less valid. Just that those markets aren't as effected by it.
As a matter of fact, video games used to have multiple revenue streams just like movies... The Video Arcade. It just so happens that home market caught up to the arcade market much faster then in the Movie industry (this is happening now with 3D big screen TVs etc).
Just because the gaming industry cannot or does not create multiple revenue streams does not really make an argument against used sales, certainly when comparing to other markets which distribute in the same methods (aka licensed content vs product).
I do agree with TB though that digital content is different then physical which wear and tear does make a better argument against used sales.
I also don't buy digital makes things cheaper and killed used games. New release prices are still full retail for quite some time on Steam. Steam sales are just the "used" sales method of buying digitally (which the publisher benefits rather then consumers). I put value on games, if I don't think its release buy worthy I wait... Just as I would for a console until used (or bargain bin) prices meet the value I place on the game
If game makers would discount their physical distros it would have a similar effect.
TB I think also missed one HUGE aspect why digital games has essentially removed the used PC game market (there are many other reasons too). That would be added value of digital distribution. The value of storing every game purchased online available to download an play when ever you want added value to the customer that superseded the cheaper price of buying used. Its not the DRM etc etc etc it was the value added... Don't have to keep CDs/codes around and find them, not scratch them etc etc etc.
You say a lot of things, but you really don't support any of it with evidence. Your first paragraph is basically you saying you disagree 5 different ways.
You really want to say the video arcade is analogous to DVDs? Are you sure about this? Take a second and think it through.
And so on.
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Everybody and their mom declared that the iPad was the stupidest idea in the universe and assumed it would be a horrible failure.
While this thing looks lame on the surface, maybe people really are clamoring for voice commands, kinect, and the ability to toggle to their TV faster?
While this thing looks lame on the surface, maybe people really are clamoring for voice commands, kinect, and the ability to toggle to their TV faster?
Well all I can say is remember back to what the 360 eco-system was like in 2006 and what it's like now.
The X1 will transform as time goes on too. What MS is doing is building as broad a device as possible to cover all areas. As time goes on some areas will develop further I'm sure.
Respect man, that's how it should be.I'm preordering it. And preordering the ps4. I dont really care how much hate everyone has for it, legitimately or not. I want one and both!
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hardcore gamer, period. PC or Console.
This is also something I'm surprised more people don't understand. Well actually I'm not. Geek rage tends to supercede logical, unbiased thinking.
Exactly,and also to add to this: The Cell processor was supposed to be the second coming of jesus in HW capabilities and blow the 360 out of the water. You all know how that turned out. Both systems are for the most part equal give or take. It's all in the dev kits and how the dev's are able to utilize the HW they have. I co-sign everything you have posted so far.
That was what I was thinking. Sony too. HW is compelling enough to be able to handle gaming just fine and add all these extra media features.
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People pre-order so they can resell on ebay
Indeed: True gamers shouldn't have any lines in the sand. If you really care about video games, you'll buy all the systems and all the games to show your love. Nothing else should matter: I mean, why should a hardcore gamer care that video games are being turned from timeless works of art into disposable corporate services with expiration dates? If you're true to the faith, why should you care that the games will never again be playable once the "beg for daily permission to play" servers close up shop? If your dusty old relics won't play anymore, and console-locked games are lost to history, so what? Nobody needs them. That will just give you a chance to buy new games to replace them and show your undying devotion.
Real gamers should take whatever they're given, anytime, anywhere, up the butt if they have to, because there's no room in life for self-respect. Prove to the manufacturers and publishers that you're really hardcore: They want to control your habits, so bow down and submit. If you really love games, you'll kiss the ring.
That's how it should be...respect.
The main thing for me is price.
This isn't 2006 anymore. I don't have hundreds laying around to buy stuff like I did (well that and I'm over 40 now and a bit more grown up).
So if the prices come in high then that's it, I'm out until at least 12+ months have gone by and prices are more palatable. Plus the kinks should be ironed out by then.
If MS and Sony think we are all ready to splurge a lot of money this generation, they could be in for a shock.
This isn't 2006 anymore. I don't have hundreds laying around to buy stuff like I did (well that and I'm over 40 now and a bit more grown up).
So if the prices come in high then that's it, I'm out until at least 12+ months have gone by and prices are more palatable. Plus the kinks should be ironed out by then.
If MS and Sony think we are all ready to splurge a lot of money this generation, they could be in for a shock.
I haven't seen anyone mention the ebay factor. Let's say it costs $500 - ebayers are probably hoping to get $750 - $900 if it's in high demand and out of stock. We got several of our consoles over the years for free by buying two units and selling one of them for double its list price.
It looks like a nice solid console and the HDMI pass through looks like it has a lot of potential.
Backwards compatibility? Still have my "old" xbox360.
Always connected to the net? Who cares? My TV receiver has required a phone or internet connection for 10 years so it could phone home every once in a while.
Game-sharing/reselling/etc... - We'll see how it plays out. Not worried about it at this point because MS doesn't have a monopoly so they can't afford to lose market share to Sony over something like this. There will be some kind of solution/compromise.
Weaker Specs? See ps3 vs xbox360. It all comes down to the developers. Too many devs are like Michael Bay and not enough like Christopher Nolan (regardless of the platform).
Also, at this point I'm personally more interested in a great entertainment experience coupled with a great gaming experience. PS4 sounds great but its strength is primarily in gaming. I want the integrated experience (movies, web, TV overlays, etc...). If they can get ESPN and movies to work half as well as they showed in the demo I'm sold.
It looks like a nice solid console and the HDMI pass through looks like it has a lot of potential.
Backwards compatibility? Still have my "old" xbox360.
Always connected to the net? Who cares? My TV receiver has required a phone or internet connection for 10 years so it could phone home every once in a while.
Game-sharing/reselling/etc... - We'll see how it plays out. Not worried about it at this point because MS doesn't have a monopoly so they can't afford to lose market share to Sony over something like this. There will be some kind of solution/compromise.
Weaker Specs? See ps3 vs xbox360. It all comes down to the developers. Too many devs are like Michael Bay and not enough like Christopher Nolan (regardless of the platform).
Also, at this point I'm personally more interested in a great entertainment experience coupled with a great gaming experience. PS4 sounds great but its strength is primarily in gaming. I want the integrated experience (movies, web, TV overlays, etc...). If they can get ESPN and movies to work half as well as they showed in the demo I'm sold.
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I'm actually in a better place financially this year than I was in 2006. I was one of the lucky people that, even though I went through a couple of jobs since 2008, I was able to reach higher and further my career each time I got a new job. And with my wife entering the workforce, we have more disposable income than ever before.
However, I'm also a lot less likely to dump a bunch of money down on something if I don't have any use for it right away. I don't care about sports or most TV, so a vast majority of the Xbox One reveal was really boring and didn't appeal to me. I also don't like being forced to keep my old Xbox 360 connected to my TV. I have only so many HDMI ports on my TV.
At this point, the next generation has become a waiting game. Few console launches have had much worth playing immediately after launch, and I'm tired of buying it first and playing it later. I'm going to be waiting to see what comes out, and my wife and I will make the decision to buy one. And then if whatever console we get, we like, we'll probably get a second one for our other TV.
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Which one has the good RPGs? I want that one.
Haha, nice strawman. Let me know if those crows ever stop bothering you.
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Things I want out of the next box(be that PS4 or Xbox).
1)De-clutter my entertainment center.
Now it looks like you need a cable box for this, but you can currently use your 360 as a cable box so long as you have one someplace in your home using an app(Telus/Rogers in Canada, and FiOS in US offer this). My biggest issue with the 360 was noise, if this new box is "near silent" AND I can hook it up like I can today without the need of a cable box in my living room, then DONE. PS4 won't allow this so that's annoying to me.
Along with this, if either of them add MKV file support, then my media streamer will go bye-bye. I have 2TB of files sitting on external HDD's attached to a WDTV box so I can play my content off, once again, a silent box. I'd much prefer using a 1-stop solution to this so that I don't have to have multiple devices plugged in.
2)Games and a steam like purchasing experience
My biggest annoyance is exclusivity. There are many games I missed out on for PS3 because I didn't want a 2nd game system. Just because these systems are closely speced, I wish Sony would see the great selling potential in porting their games to the One and vice versa.
Many people in here and talking about the "steam sales" and I fully agree. The biggest problem with that though is licensing costs to developer/publishers. The xbox and ps both have high licensing costs so we may never see the 5,10,15 dollar deals come to either system unless both/either of them have dropped these fees significantly. Games for the consoles weren't overpriced due to greed, it was to offset the fees paid. I do think MS/Sony will smarten up and understand license fees shouldn't be so high for digital content distribution but we shall see.
3)Browser support - this is already done.
4)New ways to play games. Personally I love the idea of the Kinect over move. I don't think either has done a great job with the software though. I love that Kinect doesn't require a controller at all, or I could use a paddle and it would still be able to recognize it for a game vs move where I need a peripheral attached to the stick designed for the game. My kids love these kind of things and it makes good party fun for all kinds of adults.
1)De-clutter my entertainment center.
Now it looks like you need a cable box for this, but you can currently use your 360 as a cable box so long as you have one someplace in your home using an app(Telus/Rogers in Canada, and FiOS in US offer this). My biggest issue with the 360 was noise, if this new box is "near silent" AND I can hook it up like I can today without the need of a cable box in my living room, then DONE. PS4 won't allow this so that's annoying to me.
Along with this, if either of them add MKV file support, then my media streamer will go bye-bye. I have 2TB of files sitting on external HDD's attached to a WDTV box so I can play my content off, once again, a silent box. I'd much prefer using a 1-stop solution to this so that I don't have to have multiple devices plugged in.
2)Games and a steam like purchasing experience
My biggest annoyance is exclusivity. There are many games I missed out on for PS3 because I didn't want a 2nd game system. Just because these systems are closely speced, I wish Sony would see the great selling potential in porting their games to the One and vice versa.
Many people in here and talking about the "steam sales" and I fully agree. The biggest problem with that though is licensing costs to developer/publishers. The xbox and ps both have high licensing costs so we may never see the 5,10,15 dollar deals come to either system unless both/either of them have dropped these fees significantly. Games for the consoles weren't overpriced due to greed, it was to offset the fees paid. I do think MS/Sony will smarten up and understand license fees shouldn't be so high for digital content distribution but we shall see.
3)Browser support - this is already done.
4)New ways to play games. Personally I love the idea of the Kinect over move. I don't think either has done a great job with the software though. I love that Kinect doesn't require a controller at all, or I could use a paddle and it would still be able to recognize it for a game vs move where I need a peripheral attached to the stick designed for the game. My kids love these kind of things and it makes good party fun for all kinds of adults.
I understand why you consider my post a straw man attack, but I was actually aiming more for parody. Game publishers, Microsoft, etc. are making some heavy-handed anti-consumer moves here in an attempt to control our habits and prevent us from exercising any right ownership powers over the games we buy (or is it "license?"
). We can continue supporting them if we want, but calling it anything other than meek and docile submission would be sugar-coating it with self-defeating rationalizations for our serf mentality...and we continue supporting them at our own peril, because their practices will have serious implications for the longevity of video games. What I'm trying to say is that being a true gamer is not about loving and buying games, no matter the price...it's about caring about the games and their legacy.Yea... that was not my nor his(most likely) point. So, cool story bro.
Have an awesome week-end!Yea... that was not my nor his(most likely) point. So, cool story bro.
Instead of playing coy, could you elaborate about what your point actually was and why my criticism doesn't apply?
If I had more time to devote to gaming I'd preorder one. It has nothing to do with ignorance as Youtube is filled with videos of journalists filming demos of its capabilities during conference sessions. It's a safe bet that it will have great gaming performance and the Kinect is showing real promise with some amazing features. Anyone with half a brain knows both the PS4 and XB1 will be a significant upgrade in performance over their older models.
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Out of curiosity, what interests you about the Kinect system? I've never seen a game for the Xbox 360 that used it in any interesting way with any accuracy. I didn't think it was possible, but Steel Battalion completely killed that accessory for me.
Or did you mean for general use?