x850 xt vs 6800 ultra....

good luck getting that X850 XT AGP card to run at X850 PE speeds.

I tried two of those cards when I had my AGP setup and neither one would O/C worth a damn. :(
 
viperdv2k4 said:
Hey, i need a new AGP vid. card and im thinking in btwenn an x850 xt flahed to pe speeds or a 6800 ultra oced to about 450/1150. I dont want to upgrade for a while. I know that the x850 is more expenisve but..
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Well if you don't want to upgrade for a while, get the 6800. The x850 lacks support for SM3.0 which a lot of new games are going to be using. ATI won't be supporting this until the R520 comes out (whenever that is).
 
Correct me if I´m wrong but doesn´t SM3.0 speed things up?

-wil
 
Mayhs said:
only the next gen willbe able to run sm3.0 games with ok frames
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well if next gen is double the perform. of today's..it should run sm3 very well....
 
I wouldnt suggest getting either. I know how everyones going to argue over it but I'd wait. There is a time to upgrade in computers and that time right after a new core and solid refresh comes out. There's generally the new core than a mhz and tweak refresh, then another new core with video/graphics cards. The best time to buy? About a month or so after the new core out.
 
viperdv2k4 said:
Will the new games rquire sm3.0 to run or will the be able to run 2.0 like farcry, but stillll support 3.0
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I would assume that (at least for a year) they will offer both. However the game will probably look like crap or run like crap in 2.0 mode.

The new Unreal Engine, BF2, COD2, etc all support SM3.0. However even though they don't mention 2.0 they won't want to lose out on sales to people with older cards. In fact a recent Valve hardware survey showed that most people have yet to upgrade to 6xxx\8xx generation cards yet.
 
PRIME1 said:
I would assume that (at least for a year) they will offer both. However the game will probably look like crap or run like crap in 2.0 mode.

The new Unreal Engine, BF2, COD2, etc all support SM3.0. However even though they don't mention 2.0 they won't want to lose out on sales to people with older cards. In fact a recent Valve hardware survey showed that most people have yet to upgrade to 6xxx\8xx generation cards yet.
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It's not going to look like crap with sm2. There's no difference between the two. SM2 has barely even been used to it's full extent actually. And no way most devs are they going to cut out the market like you said.
They will all support PS2.
 
viperdv2k4 said:
Will the new games rquire sm3.0 to run or will the be able to run 2.0 like farcry, but stillll support 3.0
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yes. Much like how games support older generation of cards now (9000 for example)
 
If you don't want to wait I'd go with the X850XT and try to OC it PE or just get the 500$ one off ZZF with free 2nd day.
 
pigwalk said:
Correct me if I´m wrong but doesn´t SM3.0 speed things up?

-wil
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Depends who you talk to....while theoretically it could increase performance, we've yet to see a set of programmers who have done so. Look at FC; using SM3.0 doesn't exactly give a noticable performance increase on cards that currently support SM3.0
 
DamienThorn said:
Depends who you talk to....while theoretically it could increase performance, we've yet to see a set of programmers who have done so. Look at FC; using SM3.0 doesn't exactly give a noticable performance increase on cards that currently support SM3.0
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whoa whoa. no your wrong. There is a very nice increase in speed using sm3 in Farcry.
 
Netrat33 said:
whoa whoa. no your wrong. There is a very nice increase in speed using sm3 in Farcry.
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yup ur right...some maps give 10+ fps btw...
 
pigwalk said:
Correct me if I´m wrong but doesn´t SM3.0 speed things up?

-wil
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Not necessarily and often misquoted. SM 3.0 supports far longer series of instruction sets and complexity to the shader in a single pass. The advantage is that it gives the programmer more flexibility and capabilities to the shader.

If you tried to duplicate the SM3.0 result, you'd need to run the SM2.0 shader over several passes to get the same "potential", so SM 2.0 would be slower for those things that really push the edge. If you just take an SM 2.0 game and change it to SM 3.0 support, the speed will be slightly better but not too much as you aren't really using any of the extended SM 3.0 feature sets. It's just that SM 3.0 can do so much more in a single pass for more complex setups, something that just hasn't yet been seen in current games.
 
Netrat33 said:
whoa whoa. no your wrong. There is a very nice increase in speed using sm3 in Farcry.
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Then maybe my FPS counter is fucking up....I tested with and without SM3.0 enabled, and there wasn't a real difference - maybe 1-2 FPS, which isn't a remarkable improvement, as far as I'm concerned.
 
S.T.A.L.K.E.R. will also have SM3.0. It was going to be out by now but keeps getting the reslease date pushed back. Should run perfectly fine in SM2 or 3, dont know what you guys are talking about crapy sm2 support. Even the SM1.3 support should be ok. You forget that the adverage joe is still the big buyer and is probably about 2 gens behind us (or more) as far as video cards go (crapy intel integrated most of the time).
 
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