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X800XT or 6800GT
- Thread starter b1NARY73
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If you don't care much about the benches, it seems nVidia camp is faring much better this time. 6800GT tends to be $50-100 cheaper than X800XT which does help as well (they are equal part in my view as far as actual gaming performance goes). How do I know? I had them both. Kept GT for time being until I decides to shoot for benches 
Even than, I will probably look around for X800XT PE not XT (what is the point of stopping half the way if you plan to spend $100-$200 more on GPU when current one is performing quite adequately? )
Even than, I will probably look around for X800XT PE not XT (what is the point of stopping half the way if you plan to spend $100-$200 more on GPU when current one is performing quite adequately? )See.. I like ATi, but I'm not a retarded !!!!!! that just picks a side and doesnt give reasonsashegam said:
If I lived in America, I'd get the 6800GT over the X800XT, the only reason I'd get one in Canada is because it seems to be cheaper, there performance seems to be pretty similar too. If its really that hard to choose, I'd get one the cheaper of the two, or maybe SM3.0 appeals to you, if thats the case, go with nVidia this round, you wont regret it.
i've owned a BFG 6800GT(green PCB/reference HSF), a PNY 6800 Ultra, a PNY 6800GT(Blue PCB/reference HSF) and a Visiontek X800XT.
here is a quick rundown of my overclocks:
BFG 6800GT: 435/1170
PNY 6800 U: 436/1150
PNY 6800GT: 430/1170
Visiontek X800XT: 520/1200(still tweaking on this one)
i have to say out of all the cards i've owned, the X800XT is probably my favorite. the PNY Ultra was a turd and both of the GTs could overclock better, the Ultra was also very unstable. i bought the X800XT because i hadn't played around with ATi cards since i got rid of my 8500LE.
here is a quick rundown of my overclocks:
BFG 6800GT: 435/1170
PNY 6800 U: 436/1150
PNY 6800GT: 430/1170
Visiontek X800XT: 520/1200(still tweaking on this one)
i have to say out of all the cards i've owned, the X800XT is probably my favorite. the PNY Ultra was a turd and both of the GTs could overclock better, the Ultra was also very unstable. i bought the X800XT because i hadn't played around with ATi cards since i got rid of my 8500LE.
Felix... what kind of games do you play on it honestly?
Been playing UT2004 and CS:S and it seems to me 6800GT fares better than X800XT from my exposure @ 1600x1200, default setting (which is pretty much about all things maxed or close to). At lower res like 1024x768, X800XT steps up but @ the high res, it seems to have much more variance in FPS than 6800GT which is not to my liking for obvious reasons.
Been playing UT2004 and CS:S and it seems to me 6800GT fares better than X800XT from my exposure @ 1600x1200, default setting (which is pretty much about all things maxed or close to). At lower res like 1024x768, X800XT steps up but @ the high res, it seems to have much more variance in FPS than 6800GT which is not to my liking for obvious reasons.
I have an eVGA 6800GT, and love this card....don't get me wrong. I just kinda miss the ATI drivers, and it seems to me that my 9800XT had better IQ than the 6800 series. I have owned a 6800NU and this GT. I am thinking of trading my 6800GT for an X800XT or a PE possibly. But I DO love my gt........it is a hard decision.
jinu117 said:
it's funny, i've really just played Doom3 to test for stability on each of the cards, but other than that i haven't played much else. my wife plays FF:XI a lot, but that game doesn't exactly stress the computer. i haven't run into any problems on any of my games. i usually play at 1280x1024, sometimes 1600x1200.
if you're happy with the eVGA you've got now, i'd keep it. the X800XT isn't going to be much faster if it is at all.
From what I understand, ATI cards do better with AA/AF on at higher resolutions.. Im not to sure, as I dont test that sort of thing.. I play some of my games with 6x AA 16xAF, while some I play with no AA 16xAF.. I change settings depending on what I do and what I want to see. I dont always need 'the best' imagine, in certain games its just a waste of a performance hit if you dont notice it when playing.
Eh, nowadays Nvidia and ATI are trading off on high rez high AA benchs. It isn't a clean sweep like with Nvidia and OpenGL games. Besides, I'd say wait a few weaks and see what the ForceWare 70xxs offer once they get out of alpha since as it stands this battle is more about drivers than hardware.
Moloch said:even doom3 isn't a sweep anymore
You've got an XTPE and D3 right? Can you get 46.3 FPS at 1600x1200 HQ 4xAA in the timedemo? D3 is still markedly Nvidia's, ATI can shader replace up the wazzo but they can't replace their hardware.
You should be more worried CSS, since it seems ATI is loosing in that too [the 6600GT is destroying the X700XT in that game].
I had a 6800gt for about a month.. Great card but something didnt feel right about this card. I felt like i was missing something, and i just could' not figure it out. Games just didnt feel smooth to me. So i sold it and got me a XT. Everything is good now.. Never going back to a GT.
I don't care how many fps you get, since I'm not sure the level you're talking about, but with catalyst a.i the XT-PE matchs the 6800 ultra on the level websites comparing the XT-PE and 6800 ultra with catalyst a.ibatty said:
And they're not shader replaceing the wazoo out of it smartguy"In Doom 3, there's actually a bit of shader replacement going on. For example, the game uses texture lookups to determine the values of specular lighting fall-off rates, essentially reading a precomputed value by fetching that value from a texture. It just so happens that ATI's hardware can compute the algorithm faster than it can fetch the answer from a texture, so that's what it does: It replaces texture lookups with the math it approximates. The result should be identical, but with a significant speedup. "
And why should I be worred about the X700XT?
As long as they both play the game, I dont see an issue, even less so because it isn't HL2.
Oh and ati has drivers coming out like just in time for HL2.. wonder what they will do
i actually jsut sold my 6800gt. in CS:S in action the gt would drop to 35fps, my friends x800pro, NEVER dropped to 35fps, and his sytem was very similiar to mine.
the thing about the Gt is, it hit 188fps, but would drop to 35fps in action,
the x800pro only hit 172fps, but NEVER dropped to 35fps.
thats the main reason why i sold my Gt, i couldnt stand it dropping that low.
the GT killed my friends x800 ( but that was old drivers you know the memory bug), but
doom3 is only fun the first time, im gonna be playing hl2 and Cs:s alot more than d3.
the thing about the Gt is, it hit 188fps, but would drop to 35fps in action,
the x800pro only hit 172fps, but NEVER dropped to 35fps.
thats the main reason why i sold my Gt, i couldnt stand it dropping that low.
the GT killed my friends x800 ( but that was old drivers you know the memory bug), but
doom3 is only fun the first time, im gonna be playing hl2 and Cs:s alot more than d3.
snakebiteuk35
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Hi all i have had both a Gainward 6800Ultra and a 6800GT which run great both ran at the same speed 425 / 1200 also a ATI X800XT PE and out of all three cards i must say that i perfer the X800XT PE it just look's smoother in my eyes
Well my GT is for sale officially. http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=825905.
I cannot resist going back to ATI. I love this card, but I think the XT or XTPE will suit my tastes better. I think I got caught up in all the GT hoopla, and made a decision based on that. Don't get me wrong, this ccard rocks, I just think the ATI is better suited for my needs.
This is my second Nvidia card, and I feel both sides have alot to offer, I am just choosing to go back to the ATI side. Thanks for everyone's input.
I cannot resist going back to ATI. I love this card, but I think the XT or XTPE will suit my tastes better. I think I got caught up in all the GT hoopla, and made a decision based on that. Don't get me wrong, this ccard rocks, I just think the ATI is better suited for my needs.
This is my second Nvidia card, and I feel both sides have alot to offer, I am just choosing to go back to the ATI side. Thanks for everyone's input.
the prodigy
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Zallek said:
yes, yes you are, and he answered the question adequately by saying ATI. I would choose ATI too.
wOOt! I sold my GT and picked up my new X800XT. Popped this bad boy in and used ATI tool to check for maximum core, and I cancelled it after it reached 590Mhz! This card rocks. I am home baby! I did like my 6800GT, but I been missing my ati drivers and IQ.
b1NARY73 said:
how the times are changeing...
seriously though: great you like the new card and i'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with it! It would've been such a close call anyways, so in the end it boils down to personal taste/price more than numbers between the two.
There are things I miss about my GT.....absolutely....without a doubt. I just like playing with alot of AA / AF and my opinion is that ATI handles it better. Raw power is definatley in the GT IMO. I agree, it boils down to personal taste.....Can't we all get along.
hate to say the word "future," but the Unreal 3 engine is using the Nvidia Graphics cards....similar to how doom 3 did.....
BFG 6800 GT OC for me, and i like it. However i do have a waterblock just lying here that will fit on a x800xt......so imma probally be selling off this 6800gt and shooting for a x800xt....but for me, i just like to play with different products. Either would be a better choice, i just happened to get this card because the x800xt's were to high in price, newegg then decided to run the Sapphire x800xt for $455......that went fast, and hasn't shown back up yet....but i'm waiting....
IMO the ATI's overclock better. Had a 9800pro that did 475mhz core. And the "general" overclocks around the web on x800's are higher.
BFG 6800 GT OC for me, and i like it. However i do have a waterblock just lying here that will fit on a x800xt......so imma probally be selling off this 6800gt and shooting for a x800xt....but for me, i just like to play with different products. Either would be a better choice, i just happened to get this card because the x800xt's were to high in price, newegg then decided to run the Sapphire x800xt for $455......that went fast, and hasn't shown back up yet....but i'm waiting....
IMO the ATI's overclock better. Had a 9800pro that did 475mhz core. And the "general" overclocks around the web on x800's are higher.
I agree with all of you. I have owned both brands, and even had the uber cool 3DFX 5500 (SCHWING!) and like I stated before, I was not unhappy with my card, although eVGA GT's seem to not overclock as well as the others. Mine hit 400 easily, but not much higher, albeit on stock cooling. My XT as I stated earlier on Stock cooling and the same case config, hit 570 without blinking twice, and it was still climbing when I got bored and decided to fire up some Tribes. I would believe nvidia is back on top....they have put out an amazing product, and deserve all the awards they are getting. I myself and quite happy with my XT (give me a few months ) and love the coversation that is going on in this thread.....just keep it clean and above the belt.
I would believe nvidia is back on top....they have put out an amazing product, and deserve all the awards they are getting. I myself and quite happy with my XT (give me a few months ) and love the coversation that is going on in this thread.....just keep it clean and above the belt.Cenuij said:
quoted out of context, isn't it? that news was actually good news for ATI, not nVidia, although, and i give you that, the high-end looks grand for nVidia. the rest of the quote from mercury research:
"MARKHAM, ON - New market share numbers from Mercury Research show ATI gaining 17 percentage points of market share. This huge shift in customers is due to strength across all of ATI's product lines, from entry level to performance graphics, and is built on two years of product leadership in DirectX 9 graphics processors. The new numbers reveal ATI to be the largest graphics company by any measure, with over half of the desktop discrete market and nearly three quarters of the notebook discrete market, giving the company nearly three-fifths of the total discrete graphics market."
"Our business is firing on all cylinders," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President for ATI's PC Business Unit. "Not only are we strong in all aspects of our PC discrete business, but we're about to launch a powerful contender into the desktop integrated market, a market we've essentially been absent from up until this point. In addition, ATI is leading the graphics charge in cell phones, ahead of the curve in DTV and we're looking forward to delivering technologies for future Xbox and Nintendo products. The success is testament to the skills and dedication of the ATI employees, who have worked long and hard to put the company into this leadership position."
"Our business is firing on all cylinders," said Rick Bergman, Senior Vice President for ATI's PC Business Unit. "Not only are we strong in all aspects of our PC discrete business, but we're about to launch a powerful contender into the desktop integrated market, a market we've essentially been absent from up until this point. In addition, ATI is leading the graphics charge in cell phones, ahead of the curve in DTV and we're looking forward to delivering technologies for future Xbox and Nintendo products. The success is testament to the skills and dedication of the ATI employees, who have worked long and hard to put the company into this leadership position."
Cenuij said:And here was me thinking that the context of this thread is performance cards...
The rest of your post is irrelevent to this discussion. Go away fanbwoi...
rofl - ok, i'll go away then... calm down, dude!
i see your point, though - almost forgot what the thread was about, sorry