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X800GT - Just Wow...
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chrisf6969
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Not impressed.... about 8 months too late.
I'd rather a 6800nu for around $190 and is available....
By the time its actually on the market Nvidia will be releasing a 7600!
I'd rather a 6800nu for around $190 and is available....
By the time its actually on the market Nvidia will be releasing a 7600!
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I don't know what's more rediculous--ATI releasing another X800 product or me knowing all the specs of every one of em... in any case, this is just rediculous! 
how come its different here?
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=2876
its kinda about time for ati to actually have something to match the 6600gt.
http://www.guru3d.com/newsitem.php?id=2876
its kinda about time for ati to actually have something to match the 6600gt.
Mr. Stryker
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Because this is from like 17 days ago. The new page has the actual X800 GT.
Lol, it seems like they're trying to sell a PCI-E version of 9800XT.
Lol, it seems like they're trying to sell a PCI-E version of 9800XT.
chrisf6969 said:
Exactly. Reminds me of when the KT400a was released to "compete" with the NF2. Jeez, the NF2 had been out how long? Then a year later comes the KT600
The X800 "GT" lol would be a the cat's ass if it were
1. "AS" fast as a 6800NU easily in all cases
2. Cheaper than a 6600GT by $20.00
zone_86 said:Exactly. Reminds me of when the KT400a was released to "compete" with the NF2. Jeez, the NF2 had been out how long? Then a year later comes the KT600
Yikes, a buddy of mine bought one of those boards, why he wouldnt get an NF2 is beyond me.
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Yup, it is a fairly big waste of ATIs time and money to try to market these so late in the X800s life-cycle.
swatX said:
ATI had a serious problem last time with keeping their product lineup clean:
Radeon® X800 GT (8-pipe/392/30)
Radeon® X800 SE (8-pipe/450/400)
Radeon® X800 (12-pipe/400/350)
Radeon® X800 PRO (12-pipe/475/475)
Radeon® X800 XL (16-pipe/400/500)
Radeon® X800 XT (16-pipe/500/500)
All-In-Wonder Radeon® X800 XT (16-pipe/500/500)
Radeon® X800 XT PLATINUM EDITION (16-pipe/520/560)
Radeon® X850 PRO (12-pipe/520/560)
Radeon® X850 XT (16-pipe/520/560)
Radeon® X850 XT PLATINUM EDITION (16-pipe/540/590)
So, we have no less than 10 distinct products under the "X800" brand. Moreover, the tiers are conusing. Is the X800XT-PE faster than the X850 Pro? Yes. Is the X850XT faster than the X800XT-PE? Nope, they are pretty much the same card.
Oh, and then there's the whole X300/X600/X700 lineup.
ATI's current generation lineup has no fewer than 25 different products - more if you count 128M/256M/512M cards separately. The products are separated into four tiers - x300, x600, x700, and x800.
Compare this with NVIDIA's lineup:
6200TC (4-pipe)
6200 (4-pipe)
6600 (8-pipe)
6600GT (8-pipe)
6800LE (8-pipe)
6800 (12-pipe)
6800GT (16-pipe)
6800U (16-pipe)
7800GTX (24-pipe)
ATI could never crush the 6600GT because they had so many products that competed against it. Never mind the fact that the 6600GT was the unquestioned midrange champ for a long time and the fact that it has continued to drop in price.
bsoft said:
QFT. When I saw this thread I thought the title was a typo and the OP was talking about either a 7800GT or a X800XT. Lol it's funny to think that ATI is coming out with yet ANOTHER product. They should forget about all this crap and just get the r520 released...
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bsoft said:
QFT x 2
The more products you have the more development cost you have.
So it will make it even harder for ATI to compete at 6600GT's pricepoint.
ATI went overboard and that is obvious. It is easier to categorize the nVidia cards because they are very organized, ATI should've just stuck to Stock and Pro versions and XT.
X800
X800Pro
X800XT
instead they have
X800
X800GT
X800SE
X800PRO
X800XL
X800XT
X850
X850PRO
X850Platinum
X800
X800Pro
X800XT
instead they have
X800
X800GT
X800SE
X800PRO
X800XL
X800XT
X850
X850PRO
X850Platinum
chrisf6969
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I heard that if the actual shipping X800GT's don't sell / compete well, they're going to release the X750 Pro, X750 XL and X750 XT, and X750 XT PE series.
It's because the X800GT SKU is made-up of a variety of chips (R480, R430, R423 etc.) that miserably failed VPU 'school'. In other words you're getting chips like R480's that couldn't even work as an X850Pro with a quad disabled and end-up as X800GT with 2 quads disabled. They're dustin-quality parts that ATi rescued from the dumpster to make a bit of extra cash with.0810 said:
chrisf6969 said:I heard that if the actual shipping X800GT's don't sell / compete well, they're going to release the X750 Pro, X750 XL and X750 XT, and X750 XT PE series.
You're too late. There's already a "Radeon X740XL" (though it's OEM only).
Here's the entire Radeon "X-series" lineup:
Radeon X300
Radeon X300 SE
Radeon X300 SE HyperMemory 128MB (32MB)
Radeon X300 SE HyperMemory 256MB (128MB)
AIW Radeon X600
Radeon X600 Pro
Radeon X600 XT
Radeon X700
Radeon X700 LE
Radeon X700 Pro
Radeon X700 XT
Radeon X740 XL
Radeon X800 SE
Radeon X800GT
Radeon X800 STD
Radeon X800
Radeon X800 XL
Radeon X800 Pro
Radeon X800 XT
Radeon X800 XT PCIe
Radeon X800 XT PE
AIW Radeon X800 XT
Radeon X850 Pro
Radeon X850 XT
Radeon X850 XT PE
Here's the NVIDIA "6-series" lineup for comparison:
GeForce 6200
GeForce 6200 TurboCache 128MB (16MB)
GeForce 6200 TurboCache 128MB (32MB)
GeForce 6200 TurboCache 256MB (64MB)
GeForce 6600
GeForce 6600 GT
GeForce 6800 LE
GeForce 6800
GeForce 6800 GT
GeForce 6800 GTO
GeForce 6800 Ultra
GeForce 6800 Ultra Extreme
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bsoft said:
Great odins raven! That's a CRAP load of cards
zone_86 said:Exactly. Reminds me of when the KT400a was released to "compete" with the NF2. Jeez, the NF2 had been out how long? Then a year later comes the KT600
The X800 "GT" lol would be a the cat's ass if it were
1. "AS" fast as a 6800NU easily in all cases
2. Cheaper than a 6600GT by $20.00
As fast as a 6800nu with 4 less pipes?
.................amazing
It strikes me a cynical desperation type dealie by ATI, they're hoping that Johnny Moronsumer (or his mom/pop) will see 7800gt and x800gt beside each other on the shelf and get confused.
I have nothing against ATI, but this is the second year in a row that the best-card-I-can-actually-buy-in-a-shop-when-I'm-upgrading-with-no-alternative-on-the-horizon is going to be nvidia.
They really need to get it together, I know the circumstances are not identical and ATI has it's finger in enough pies to suck it up, but I'm starting to get a 3dfx'ish deja vu type feeling about this, with the whole: fantastic ambitious product that turns into a production nightmare and keeps slipping back until they've lost so much ground that they just can't ever hope to shift enough units to make money on it.
I'd say the ATI execs have an alter to bill gates in their board room, because nvidia has kicked them square in the nuts and run away laughing with the 7800.
We need two strong players, competition is good, it makes the companies work for our money, and ATI is giving nvidia a free run.
I have nothing against ATI, but this is the second year in a row that the best-card-I-can-actually-buy-in-a-shop-when-I'm-upgrading-with-no-alternative-on-the-horizon is going to be nvidia.
They really need to get it together, I know the circumstances are not identical and ATI has it's finger in enough pies to suck it up, but I'm starting to get a 3dfx'ish deja vu type feeling about this, with the whole: fantastic ambitious product that turns into a production nightmare and keeps slipping back until they've lost so much ground that they just can't ever hope to shift enough units to make money on it.
I'd say the ATI execs have an alter to bill gates in their board room, because nvidia has kicked them square in the nuts and run away laughing with the 7800.
We need two strong players, competition is good, it makes the companies work for our money, and ATI is giving nvidia a free run.
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Why do you guys care so much?
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It seems to me like ATI is having a serious case of "OMG the R300 architecture is about to run out of steam, milk it for everything it has left!" And the fact they are milking it that hard makes me wonder about their confidence level in R520...though of course now I'm wandering into the arena of wild speculation.
Eva_Unit_0 said:
It's nothing to do with confidence, the r520 could blow nivida out of the water for years to come, cure world hunger, clean up the environment, cure cancer and only cost $100...
But it can't do it right now, leaving nvidia to cheerily pWn the market with the 7800.
And the folks who buy 7800gt/x s in the next couple of months aren't going to buy r520s at christmas, or whenever (but alot of them will probably buy xbox360s, so it's not all doom and gloom for ATI).
Plus it's very unlikely that r520 is going to be going against 7800gtx anyway, you can bet that nvidia will have some juiced up respin ready to go by then.
ATI is just trying to make sure that we don't forget they exist, seeing as nvidia is the only game in town for highend kit for several months to come.
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It hasnt been mentioned yet by anyone, but 99% of people have no idea this lameness with ati is going on, and will still buy the x800gt, if its cheap enough, because they want a cheap card with the x800 on it because they think x800 is best. Anyways, I agree with everyone and although started out on ATI's side, I am continually liking NVidia more and more.
Just was trying to point out, these lame "out of the dumpster" cards could be actually be making ATI some serious bank, as the VAST majority of consumers out there are buying the cheaper cards.
Just was trying to point out, these lame "out of the dumpster" cards could be actually be making ATI some serious bank, as the VAST majority of consumers out there are buying the cheaper cards.
We all know how good the R300 cards were in their hayday. They were totally kickass cards - way past anything nVIDA could produce for nearly two years, and even when nVIDA did finally catch up, there were many issues with certain cards. Drivers wise, and hardware implementation wise. Now we come full circle and it's ATI struggling the same way basically, and you know it's bad when you get to the adopt your competitions monkier stage. EG: X800GT . Jeez
Like i said i eariler if ATI could be real with us and just say what the hell, bring down the price dramatically with that card to about $140.00, and drop pricing on thier other cards dramatically they could win alot of people over just with that - but no we get more paper launches and spiffy plagaristic-esque monkiers to attempt win over any potential 6600GT buyers by calling thier new budget card a X800GT. I would suspect that on an 5 year period provided ATI is still around that they will turn the tables again on nVIDA and try to catch them when they are spread too thick and put out a better graphics solution, but nVIDA sure does have the head start here, and with thier recent non-paper launch with the more than kick ass 7800GTX ATI has their work cut out for them. The R520 needs to be at least 25-35% faster than the 7800 series at the time of launch ...non paper of course .
Like i said i eariler if ATI could be real with us and just say what the hell, bring down the price dramatically with that card to about $140.00, and drop pricing on thier other cards dramatically they could win alot of people over just with that - but no we get more paper launches and spiffy plagaristic-esque monkiers to attempt win over any potential 6600GT buyers by calling thier new budget card a X800GT. I would suspect that on an 5 year period provided ATI is still around that they will turn the tables again on nVIDA and try to catch them when they are spread too thick and put out a better graphics solution, but nVIDA sure does have the head start here, and with thier recent non-paper launch with the more than kick ass 7800GTX ATI has their work cut out for them. The R520 needs to be at least 25-35% faster than the 7800 series at the time of launch ...non paper of course .
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Let me try my take on it on listing ATi's current line.bsoft said:
Not to mention ATI's X800 GT is a various configuration card.
X800 GT 256MB = 475MHZ/8 Pipe/980MHZ GDDR3
X800 GT 128MB = 392MHZ/8Pipe/700MHZ GDDR1
Though I had heard rumors of 128MB cards with GDDR3 and 475MHZ, as well as GDDR2 variants as well.
X850 Pro and X850 XT are supposed to be 520/1080 else the X850 XT would be an exact clock for clock duplicate of the X800 XT PE.
X800 XL is supposed to be 980MHZ GDDR3, a teeny bit below 1GHZ though if you count how many GPU ATI has based on R4xx technology, it's more comparable to Nvidia NV4x technology.
so X700 and X800/X850 only.
So lets see
2 Quad X800 GT Core R423/R480 likely for 475MHZ versions & R430 for 392MHZ version. (Various)
2 Quad X800 SE R423/R420 AGP & PCI-E 425MHZ (Various)
3 Quad X800 R430 PCI-E 392MHZ
3 Quad X800 Pro R423/R420 AGP & PCI-E 475MHZ
3 Quad X850 Pro R480 PCI-E 520MHZ
4 Quad X800 XL R430 AGP & PCI-E w/ Rialto Bridge Chip 400MHZ
4 Quad X800 XT R423/R420 AGP & PCI-E 500MHZ
4 Quad X850 XT R481/R480 AGP & PCI-E 520MHZ
4 Quad X800 XT PE R423/R420 AGP & PCI-E 520MHZ
4 Quad X850 XT PE R481/R480 AGP & PCI-E 540MHZ
I am not going to go into extremely rare edition like X700 XT, X740 XL, 6610 XL, X700 LE etc...
I like Nvidia's line though much cleaner, 6800 LE, 6800, 6800 GTo, 6800 GT, 6800 Ultra. Half of ATi's SKU's
Don't count 6800 UE as that isn't official I'ts unfrotunate that ATI rehashed even older tech for the X300/X600 but oh well.