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X2 5000+ ?'s

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fenton06

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With the eminent price drops, the X2 5000+ is looking VERY good. I cannot, however, find this proc ANYWHERE! Does anyone know if Newegg will have any sometime in the future?
 
The 5000 is a waste of money, to be honest. Why you ask? Because at default settings, it will downclock your RAM. You can, of course, change your configuration and/or overclock, but I would rather have a slower chip with the right multiplier if it has the same size L2 cache. Cheaper also. I say go with the 4800 or even lower rated chip as long as it has 2x1Mb L2
 
belmicah said:
The 5000 is a waste of money, to be honest. Why you ask? Because at default settings, it will downclock your RAM. You can, of course, change your configuration and/or overclock, but I would rather have a slower chip with the right multiplier if it has the same size L2 cache. Cheaper also. I say go with the 4800 or even lower rated chip as long as it has 2x1Mb L2
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I don't think it's a waste of money at this price. I'm getting one and you won't tell me otherwise! GO Monarch. :D
 
bafoooon18 said:
I don't think it's a waste of money at this price. I'm getting one and you won't tell me otherwise! GO Monarch. :D
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It's not a waste if your an AMD fan, that processor is looking mighty nice, especially for the price!
 
belmicah said:
The 5000 is a waste of money, to be honest. Why you ask? Because at default settings, it will downclock your RAM. You can, of course, change your configuration and/or overclock, but I would rather have a slower chip with the right multiplier if it has the same size L2 cache. Cheaper also. I say go with the 4800 or even lower rated chip as long as it has 2x1Mb L2
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Who do you know that is going to let a 5000+ sit at stock settings?

Also, it's not a waste of money for the people who are looking to buy NOW, not a month or two from now.
 
belmicah said:
The 5000 is a waste of money, to be honest. Why you ask? Because at default settings, it will downclock your RAM. You can, of course, change your configuration and/or overclock, but I would rather have a slower chip with the right multiplier if it has the same size L2 cache. Cheaper also. I say go with the 4800 or even lower rated chip as long as it has 2x1Mb L2
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Explain please. Why will it downclock your ram?
 
belmicah said:
The 5000 is a waste of money, to be honest. Why you ask? Because at default settings, it will downclock your RAM. You can, of course, change your configuration and/or overclock, but I would rather have a slower chip with the right multiplier if it has the same size L2 cache. Cheaper also. I say go with the 4800 or even lower rated chip as long as it has 2x1Mb L2
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It sure didn't appear to hurt any in the benchmarks from the looks of the link you gave. That link makes me want a X2 5000 even more!!
 
belmicah said:
The 5000 is a waste of money, to be honest. Why you ask? Because at default settings, it will downclock your RAM. You can, of course, change your configuration and/or overclock, but I would rather have a slower chip with the right multiplier if it has the same size L2 cache. Cheaper also. I say go with the 4800 or even lower rated chip as long as it has 2x1Mb L2
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Everyone knows that an AMD chip isn't bandwidth starved, so your point is irrelevant, really, unless all you do is sandra benches.
 
If you overclock the 5000+, will the memory bandwidth go back to 800mhz because of the multiplier? Say, if you OC'ed it to 2.8 or 3.2?

If this is the case, well, who cares whta it is a stock speeds:D
 
fenton06 and others, you need my handy memory speed calculator. It will show you exactly how these new AM2 dividers and memory settings effect your RAM speed. It also works with DDR ram and lets you plan out your next overclocking experiment. Go to this thread to check it out:

http://www.hardforum.com/showthread.php?p=1029638349#post1029638349

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I hope someone leaves a reply there to help bring it to other users attention. Thanks.
 
I now know why the memory is undeclocked, now I want to know if I overclock it, if the memory will go back up to 800mhz
 
When you are using an Athlon 5000 with DDR2-800 memory it will underclock the memory due to the odd multiplier ( 13 X 200 MHz ).

DDR2-800 memory is designed to run at 400 MHz. With this processor the only way to get your memory running at its rated speed is if you overclock your computer. If you bring the HTT up from 200 MHz to a hair over 215 MHz your memory will finally be running at its default speed. Overall you will be running at 2800 MHz which is the same as an FX-62 but with half as much cache.

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A great budget system after the price drops next week and with some luck you might be able to push it closer to 3000 MHz like XBit Labs did:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-socket-am2_7.html
 
L2 in a AMD doesn't matter. It has little to no effect in performance to how much more or little you have. Speed is all that matters.
 
seems to me that that memory divider "bug" is a good thing

means you can overclock more without worrying about the ram too much
 
unclewebb said:
When you are using an Athlon 5000 with DDR2-800 memory it will underclock the memory due to the odd multiplier ( 13 X 200 MHz ).

DDR2-800 memory is designed to run at 400 MHz. With this processor the only way to get your memory running at its rated speed is if you overclock your computer. If you bring the HTT up from 200 MHz to a hair over 215 MHz your memory will finally be running at its default speed. Overall you will be running at 2800 MHz which is the same as an FX-62 but with half as much cache.

athlon5000tk7.png


A great budget system after the price drops next week and with some luck you might be able to push it closer to 3000 MHz like XBit Labs did:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-socket-am2_7.html
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Could you post a link to that program? That seems very useful.
 
unclewebb said:
When you are using an Athlon 5000 with DDR2-800 memory it will underclock the memory due to the odd multiplier ( 13 X 200 MHz ).
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to be more explicit, it's because there are no 1/2 dividers for the ram, the memory controller rounds up to cpu/7 instead of running it at the cpu/6.5 that it would need for ddr2-800 :D
(but i know you know this, just telling others :p)
 
fenton06 said:
I now know why the memory is undeclocked, now I want to know if I overclock it, if the memory will go back up to 800mhz
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yes of course if you overclock it the memory will go up.
 
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