x1900gt vs 7900gt?

I thought the X1800XT was an equivalent, if not better than a 7900gt?

nv > ati here.
 
The x1900 GT is not a very competitive part because ATI disabled ROPs, Z-test and TMUs along with the extra shaders. The x1800 XT is actually faster in today's most demanding games, and in most games even the 7900 GT is competitive or faster.
 
Right now the x1800xt is the fastest, but the x1900GT is more future proof and will perform better in future shader intensive games, such as Crysis.
 
maximum pc compared the x1900 gt(256) to a 7800 gtx(256), they run benchmarks and here's what:
"As much as we hate calling ties, the 7800 gtx delivers far superior performance w/ quake; but the x1900 gt's oblivion performance is equally compelling. there's no clear winner here.

7800 GTX 256MB (430/1200) (PCIe)
- 24 pixel shader units – 24 TMUs – 16 ROPs - 8 vertex shader units
Performance wise is it a bit weaker than 6800 Ultra SLI. If any pixel shader intensive games are used it truly shines and is then marginally faster. X1800 XT is a bit faster.

7900 GT 256MB (450/1320) (PCIe)
- 24 pixel shader units – 24 TMUs – 16 ROPs - 8 vertex shader units
It’s a marginally faster than a 7800 GTX. An X1800 XT is marginally faster. Good overclocker.
 
Flexmaster said:
Right now the x1800xt is the fastest, but the x1900GT is more future proof and will perform better in future shader intensive games, such as Crysis.
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Wrong. x1900 GT has some disabled shaders.. (Atleast I think it does.)

the x1900 XTX is the fastest ATI card.
 
dagon11985 said:
Wrong. x1900 GT has some disabled shaders.. (Atleast I think it does.)

the x1900 XTX is the fastest ATI card.
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Ofcourse the x1900XTX is ATI's fastest card, but the x1900GT is in this price range and it has 36 shader processors which will come in handy in future games.
 
Flexmaster said:
Ofcourse the x1900XTX is ATI's fastest card, but the x1900GT is in this price range and it has 36 shader processors which will come in handy in future games.
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by the time it comes in handy there will be another cheaper midrange card or a better card will be priced comparably.

never buy cards for games that havent been created yet.
 
desrin said:
by the time it comes in handy there will be another cheaper midrange card or a better card will be priced comparably.

never buy cards for games that havent been created yet.
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No I doubt there will be another solution since we are moving to DX10 there wont be another DX9 card. Also the x1900GT is allready faster in Oblivion.
 
get an AIW x1900 :D all the shaders of the XTX just slower core and memory speeds :D - for about $250, toss on a better cooler and get the corefaster (memory does not always do well) but it may be better then a GT, and you get a TV tuner and all the other fun stuff with it.
 
MrGuvernment said:
get an AIW x1900 :D all the shaders of the XTX just slower core and memory speeds :D - for about $250, toss on a better cooler and get the corefaster (memory does not always do well) but it may be better then a GT, and you get a TV tuner and all the other fun stuff with it.
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Yeah its just that the memory almost never overclocks well.
 
doubt that a AIW 1900 is better than a X1900GT.

just stick with a 1800XT.

to answer your question, I would go with 7900GT over the X1900GT.
 
Well it goes like this:

x1800XT > 7900GT > x1900GT

That's how it is under most titles. Save for Battlefield 2 where an x1900GT performs better then a 7900GT but still consideraby slower then an x1800XT.

Here's a newer review...
 
firebyyrd said:
doubt that a AIW 1900 is better than a X1900GT.

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Yeah, i didnt realize the big diff in memory speeds



x1900 GT



  • Manufacturer: ATi
    Series: Radeon X1K
    GPU: R580
    Release Date: 2006-05-05
    Interface: PCI-E
    Core Clock: 575 MHz
    Memory Clock: 600 MHz (1200 DDR)
    Memory Bandwidth: 38.4 GB/sec
    Shader Operations: 20700 Operations/sec
    Pixel Fill Rate: 6900 MPixels/sec
    Texture Fill Rate: 6900 MTexels/sec
    Vertex Operations: 1150 MVertices/sec
    Noise Level: ?
    Framebuffer: 256 MB
    Memory Type: GDDR3
    Memory Bus Type: 32x8 (256 bit)
    DirectX Compliance: 9.0
    PS Version: 3.0
    VS Version: 3.0
    Transistors: 384 million
    Process: 90 nm
    Fragment Pipelines: 36 (48)
    Vertex Pipelines: 8
    Texture Units: 12 (16)
    Raster Operators 12 (16)


x1900 AIW


  • Manufacturer: ATi
    Series: Radeon X1K
    GPU: R580
    Release Date: 2006-01-24
    Interface: PCI-E
    Core Clock: 500 MHz
    Memory Clock: 480 MHz (960 DDR)
    Memory Bandwidth: 30.72 GB/sec
    Shader Operations: 24000 Operations/sec
    Pixel Fill Rate: 8000 MPixels/sec
    Texture Fill Rate: 8000 MTexels/sec
    Vertex Operations: 1000 MVertices/sec
    Noise Level: ?
    Framebuffer: 256 MB
    Memory Type: GDDR3
    Memory Bus Type: 32x8 (256 bit)
    DirectX Compliance: 9.0
    PS Version: 3.0
    VS Version: 3.0
    Transistors: 384 million
    Process: 90 nm
    Fragment Pipelines: 48
    Vertex Pipelines: 8
    Texture Units: 16
    Raster Operators 16

But look at the texture and raster operators, do you think that would be better for future proofing on those shader intensive games?




7900GT


  • Manufacturer: nVidia
    Series: GeForce 7
    GPU: G71
    Release Date: 2006-03-09
    Interface: PCI-E
    Core Clock: 450 MHz
    Memory Clock: 660 MHz (1320 DDR)
    Memory Bandwidth: 42.24 GB/sec
    Shader Operations: 10800 Operations/sec
    Pixel Fill Rate: 7200 MPixels/sec
    Texture Fill Rate: 10800 MTexels/sec
    Vertex Operations: 900 MVertices/sec
    Noise Level: ?
    Framebuffer: 256 MB
    Memory Type: GDDR3
    Memory Bus Type: 64x4 (256 bit)
    DirectX Compliance: 9.0
    PS Version: 3.0
    VS Version: 3.0
    Transistors: 278 million
    Process: 90 nm
    Fragment Pipelines: 24
    Vertex Pipelines: 8
    Texture Units: 24
    Raster Operators 16


Looks like the 7900GT has much better looking specs! then the x1900 GT.
 
Depends, if you can get an X1800 XT 512 for the correct price. The RAM make quite a differences on the R520 core for some odd reason. So the X1800 XT 256 is slower in many situation but does cost identically to the 7900 GT.

The 7900 GT are around what 260US now... while the X1900 GT costs 250US, though both of those consume more power then the 7900 GT.
 
ebay has the x1900 gt for less than 200 which is a GREAT deal and t hey overclock decent

the x1800 xt is the card i would get .
(512 mb for me tho shows good gains in cod2. but the 512 version costs alot still)

as for x1900gt vs teh AIW counterpart. i would choose the aiw. yes its clocked lower but i can alwayz overclock and have nice multimedia center options all for 230ish(newegg)

EDIT the 230 AIW are gone now :( they have a refurb for 250
 
coldpower27 said:
Depends, if you can get an X1800 XT 512 for the correct price. The RAM make quite a differences on the R520 core for some odd reason. So the X1800 XT 256 is slower in many situation but does cost identically to the 7900 GT.

The 7900 GT are around what 260US now... while the X1900 GT costs 250US, though both of those consume more power then the 7900 GT.
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Do Gamer's actually care about Power Consumption? I mean I'm all for the environment... but wouldn't those boxes our games come in be the first thing we protest...:p

As for heat, well that is something gamer's care about. Noise as well.

What most Gamer's care about in no particular order:

1. Performance
2. Image Quality
3. Features
4. Price
5. Noise/Heat

I never thought we'd add power consumption.. what's next??? wether or not it matches our shoes? Why don't we just grow V*gina's while we're at it..:p
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Do Gamer's actually care about Power Consumption? I mean I'm all for the environment... but wouldn't those boxes our games come in be the first thing we protest...:p

As for heat, well that is something gamer's care about. Noise as well.

What most Gamer's care about in no particular order:

1. Performance
2. Image Quality
3. Features
4. Price
5. Noise/Heat

I never thought we'd add power consumption.. what's next??? wether or not it matches our shoes? Why don't we just grow V*gina's while we're at it..:p
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You don't think power consumption might be related to heat and noise?
 
EnderW said:
You don't think power consumption might be related to heat and noise?
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Power Consumption will increase heat which can increase noise. But it's how the companies deal with the Heat and Noise that matters.

Power Consumption is not that important. I mean ATi could have gone for a larger fan and some heatpipes on there stock cooler for the x1800XT and x1900XT/XTX series but they chose not too. Had they done so, heat and noise wouldn't have been a problem.. even with higher power consumption.

To me some people are just looking for excuses to whine about a particular product without true merit. Sound like Teenage girls backstabbing there best friend now turned mortal enemy due to a tampon incident involving Brad the cute guy from Science Class.

:p
PS.. Don't be offended I am of course posting this in good humour.
 
if only ATI did... so sad. so very sad. 100% pure jet engine.

honestly the ATI stock cooling is very efficient at cooling, if you turn the fan to 100% constant, your temps get pretty decent. but the noise, read above.
 
Do Gamer's actually care about Power Consumption? I mean I'm all for the environment... but wouldn't those boxes our games come in be the first thing we protest..
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It's still a factor. For some, it may be the difference between their current PSU being able to provide enough juice and having to buy another, more powerful power supply. As for PC cases being envionmentally friendly, I'd assume that most cases are made with recycled materials since the bulk of the typical chassis is steel or aluminum.

If you were just a gamer, you wouldn't be building your own rigs. That makes you an "enthusiast" in my book. Enthusiasts should be looking at every factor, just as an audiophile should care a great deal about their potential amp's harmonic distortion. I find it a bit odd that you don't include the warranty in your Top 5; that's pretty high on my list!

I'd also like to note that gamers isn't possessive in your usage, so the apostrophe is undesirable.
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Do Gamer's actually care about Power Consumption? I mean I'm all for the environment... but wouldn't those boxes our games come in be the first thing we protest...:p

As for heat, well that is something gamer's care about. Noise as well.

What most Gamer's care about in no particular order:

1. Performance
2. Image Quality
3. Features
4. Price
5. Noise/Heat

I never thought we'd add power consumption.. what's next??? wether or not it matches our shoes? Why don't we just grow V*gina's while we're at it..:p
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It seriously depends who our talking about don't assume the way you think must apply to everyone.

This is some of the features I consider. Not in any particular order. There are many things to consider. It depends, more eenrgy consumed means more heat produced and that heat is exhausted into the room making it warmer, that is something to consider.

Performance
Performance/Watt
Image Quality
Cooling Solution
Drivers
Price (This is pretty damn high on the list)
Noise
Warranty
Extras
Past Company Experience

I consider what you say the same akin to bitching about Angle Indenpdent AF vs Non, on the Radeon X1 vs Geforce 7, your comment applies for both parties, it is not your place to decide what is important for everyone.

For me personally I consider power consumption above Angle Indenpendent AF.
 
coldpower27 said:
It seriously depends who our talking about don't assume the way you think must apply to everyone.

This is some of the features I consider. Not in any particular order. There are many things to consider. It depends, more eenrgy consumed means more heat produced and that heat is exhausted into the room making it warmer, that is something to consider.

Performance
Performance/Watt
Image Quality
Cooling Solution
Drivers
Price (This is pretty damn high on the list)
Noise
Warranty
Extras
Past Company Experience

I consider what you say the same akin to bitching about Angle Indenpdent AF vs Non, on the Radeon X1 vs Geforce 7, your comment applies for both parties, it is not your place to decide what is important for everyone.

For me personally I consider power consumption above Angle Indenpendent AF.
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Well you're not a gamer..:p

You like Microsoft Word right? How are those spreadsheets coming along?
Fact is, like in the car world, real Enthusiasts and Race car drivers like performance first, looks second, then comes the rest.

You'll NEVER EVER hear a car enthusiast claim he'd rather a Toyota Echo over his Ferrari Enzo because of it's better Fuel Consumption. That's for Granola, PETA and Hippies to worry about.

If you don't mind my asking.. what car do you drive?

I speak for the majority of men.. not those who are Metro sexual or whatever the term to describe men who pluck there eyebrows and shave there leg hair and armpits.

Of course I know you're only saying this because you're probably a disgruntled nVIDIA fan (who is obvioulsy angered at my posts regarding the importance of Angle-Independant AF). Seriously... what Gamer/Enthusiast of any kind, in there right mind, cares about power consumption.

If you truly care about Power Consumption, then you're truly not an enthusiast/gamer. Enthusiasts and Gamers are the pinnacle of the performance oriented, elite class of the computer industry.

Ethusiast being the top class of course.
I agree with alot of the things you listed save for those marked inRed which designates what's not really taken into account by an enthusiast.. they don't hold company loyalties... those are fan.boys

Performance
Performance/Watt
Image Quality
Cooling Solution
Drivers
Price
Noise
Warranty
Extras
Past Company Experience

Those who care about Performance/Watt are the same people in the car industry who are fans of Honda Engines above all else. And who will tweak a honda engine until it, ironically, consumes just as much fuel as a Ferrari and performs about the same. I think we call them Ricers.
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Well you're not a gamer..:p

You like Microsoft Word right? How are those spreadsheets coming along?
Fact is, like in the car world, real Enthusiasts and Race car drivers like performance first, looks second, then comes the rest.

You'll NEVER EVER hear a car enthusiast claim he'd rather a Toyota Echo over his Ferrari Enzo because of it's better Fuel Consumption. That's for Granola, PETA and Hippies to worry about.

If you don't mind my asking.. what car do you drive?

I speak for the majority of men.. not those who are Metro sexual or whatever the term to describe men who pluck there eyebrows and shave there leg hair and armpits.

Of course I know you're only saying this because you're probably a disgruntled nVIDIA fan (who is obvioulsy angered at my posts regarding the importance of Angle-Independant AF). Seriously... what Gamer/Enthusiast of any kind, in there right mind, cares about power consumption.

If you truly care about Power Consumption, then you're truly not an enthusiast/gamer. Enthusiasts and Gamers are the pinnacle of the performance oriented, elite class of the computer industry.

Ethusiast being the top class of course.
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Oh please by "your definition" perhaps. You can still game if you care about power consumption. A 7900 GT is hardly "poor" performance, I think by your tone I am not going to respond any further your too thick to consider any other possiblity.
 
coldpower27 said:
I think by your tone I am not going to respond any further your too thick to consider any other possiblity.
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A wise decision.
 
coldpower27 said:
Oh please by "your definition" perhaps. You can still game if you care about power consumption. A 7900 GT is hardly "poor" perfroamcne, I think by your tone I am not going to respond any further your too thick to consider any other possiblity.
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Naw I could detect a sense of a preference for nVIDIA by your post above. (Where you claimed a 256MB x1800XT loses out under most situations to a 7900GT). That's a misleading statement. Not so simple to judge the two for many reasons.

A. It depends what 7900GT you own (comes in a variation of different clock speeds, most of which fail in the first 6 months).

B. Depends API is used and wether or not those many situations involve a greater amount of Doom3 engine based games or a more well rounded overall review.

C. Depends greatly on the settings used and the age of the game. Older games will most definatly benefit from the 24 TMU's avalable on the 7900GT vs. 16 TMU's on the x1800XT.

D. Depends wether or not the game is texture memory bound. x1800XT 512MB shows a HUGE advantage over 7900GT series in texture memory bound applications such as BF2.

And so on.. it's no soo linear. And to bring Power Consumption before looking at any of the things I just listed above is meaningless. As I said before... what gamer cares about Power Consumption first and the titles, API, Age range of titles and settings(resolution, eye candy etc) second?

I don't know many.
 
I'm a car enthusiast... and I own a Toyota Echo. :D

I'll rather have that over a enzo. I can't maintain the costs of the enzo :eek:

and I'm a pure heterosexual man, thank you.

But I think the best would be my zx-6. I'm sorry, it just saves the most gas and provides the speeds I want. =)
 
firebyyrd said:
I'm a car enthusiast... and I own a Toyota Echo. :D

I'll rather have that over a enzo. I can't maintain the costs of the enzo :eek:

and I'm a pure heterosexual man, thank you.
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Are you a practicing car enthusiast? I mean do you own high performance cars?

I think not. You cannot claim to be an enthusiast and then not practice in the particular domain.
The heterosexual comment was geared towards cry babies who keep pushing ridiculous features like power consumption over Performance and Image Quality and then claim they're an enthusiast. To me they sound more like when my GF starts to talk to me about a girlfriend who is a (insert bad name) because she never returns her phone calls since she's busy fiddling with her new BF named (insert name). And that her other friend (insert name) refuses to take time off work to attend her B-Day party so this is like the end of the world etc etc etc...

Get's on my nerves. Just as much as people, who care so much about one company over another.. they'll find the most ridiculous advantages there fav company has over another.

Another one I hear often is that nVIDIA's GPU's cost less then ATi's to make because they contain less transistors... big deal.. what's this mean to me?

Anyways sorry if I came across as tough and bitter.. I suppose I am right now.. tired of arguing. Just argued with a bunch of AMD !!!!!!s over Woodcrest.. Jeez man.. some people are totally retarded. First they claim we need to wait for REAL tests.. now that they're here (Anandtech) now we need to wait until AMD releases a magical CPU since K8 is old.
Xeon P4 is fricken older then K8 and they didn't mind picking on the Intel Fans over Opteron being soo superior to Xeon P4... Woodcrest is on the same generation (8th generation) as K8 (hence the 8). Grrrrr...
 
Apparently lots of word-slinging going around here... BTW, just because someone buys a supercar doesn't qualify them as an enthusiast, you could have someone who just won the lottery buying his new ferrari or lambo and not know a single thing about the car. Enthusiast should be a word reserved for those that devote themselves to understanding every aspect of what they do/are enthused about(what?).

I'd say that for the most part, in reference to the original post, the 7900gt would be a better choice than the x1900gt as it is a more well rounded part. Try and buy one with a non-reference cooling solution so it'll most likely be a bit quieter and cooler.

I'd agree with many of you that power consumption usually takes the backseat to performance and IQ but keep in mind that power consumption is related to the heat and quietness of the system overall. The more wattage you suck through the PSU, the hotter the components get, and the more your PSU fan ramps up. Though I'm a bit biased as a quiet freak, I'd say that it would still be something to consider during your purchase.
 
Um, power consumption is important to some. Some people don't have ac's during the summer and their rooms will hit 95f+. The extra heat being putout deffinately matters in that case. It's one of the reasons I down graded my 1800xt to a 7600gt... the 1800 was BY FAR faster however it's just too damn hot for the summer since I don't have an AC. If I did have the luxury of an ac and being able to use it 24/7, I would deff. go with brawn over efficiency. To each his own
 
I think I am going to a more genralized statement now.

The problem here is that we have different definition, of what enthusiasts means.

Enthusiast to me means a person who has a love and interest in a certain subject. More akin to the definition that Zoogle provided.

As well I said the X1800 XT 256 is slower in many situations, however not all and I was talking in quite a general sense, if you can get the X1800 XT 512 for the correct price I would go with that. Though you also have to consider the X1800 XT vs 7900 GT isn't going to last as supply continues to wind down on R520 cores. I didn't mean to imply that X1800 XT 256 was inferior, it just that with that comparison it isn't as simple since most benches show the X1800 XT 512, so

Pretty soon it will remain the X1900 GT vs 7900 GT.

Just as you would try to find whatever reasons necessary to support a product you beleive in particularly. People who perfer certain products will find aspects that are superior about their product to argue with, this isn't a new concept, like I have said jsut because you don't care about a certain quality, doesn't mean it is unimportant to others, or if it is unimportant period.

It's maybe pointless to you because you don't care about it, but some people do.

Sorry trying to incite anger with me regarding the Angle Independent comment is not going to work. Just becuase I don't fit your definition of enthusiast/gamer doens't mean I am not.

From what I have read so far from you, you don't seem to have alot of pateince, when people don't agree with you for whatever reason. You question their manlyness, or call them cry babies. Great stuff.
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As someone in this thread set to each his own.
 
What domain are you talking about? and why do I have to own "high performance" cars to prove that I am an enthusiast? I am a practicing "enthusiast" as you call it, I own two cars which I spend time working with the cars, and changing various of parts and settings, and enjoying my rides. I actually do more work with the motorcycle, but the cars are also worked on. Would you say a ZX-6 falls under "high performance". I guess it is since it can hit 60 in less than 4 seconds, my baby :D

Opposed to the CEOs who have a $250k+ car, but know absolutely nothing. Or those kids who read magazines and see pictures of cars (ferarris). IF those people are enthusiasts, I do not know what to say, I can't afford "high performance" cars.

I guess this is totally unrelated, I'm sorry. :rolleyes:
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Naw I could detect a sense of a preference for nVIDIA by your post above. (Where you claimed a 256MB x1800XT loses out under most situations to a 7900GT). That's a misleading statement. Not so simple to judge the two for many reasons.

A. It depends what 7900GT you own (comes in a variation of different clock speeds, most of which fail in the first 6 months).

B. Depends API is used and wether or not those many situations involve a greater amount of Doom3 engine based games or a more well rounded overall review.

C. Depends greatly on the settings used and the age of the game. Older games will most definatly benefit from the 24 TMU's avalable on the 7900GT vs. 16 TMU's on the x1800XT.

D. Depends wether or not the game is texture memory bound. x1800XT 512MB shows a HUGE advantage over 7900GT series in texture memory bound applications such as BF2.

And so on.. it's no soo linear. And to bring Power Consumption before looking at any of the things I just listed above is meaningless. As I said before... what gamer cares about Power Consumption first and the titles, API, Age range of titles and settings(resolution, eye candy etc) second?

I don't know many.
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Performance wise they are equals. Overclock them and the GT will win. In the end, the XT has better IQ, but is hotter, bigger, and noisier. And some enthusiasts are really enthusiastic about their computer not sounding like a wind tunnel.
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
The heterosexual comment was geared towards cry babies who keep pushing ridiculous features like power consumption over Performance and Image Quality and then claim they're an enthusiast.
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Your intention is to push this thread is a bad direction. As a member here, your goal should be to not do this.

A particular specification or feature may be completely irrelevant to you, but it may not be to another. Power consumption is something that an enthusiast should generally consider - the real key is how each enthusiast will choose to weight it. (or would it be "weigh"? Curious...) As an individual consumer, a self-labelled "gamer", you choose not to weigh it at all. It's not a factor in your buying decision, which is ultimately fine.

Others will choose to consider power consumption, as I've already said. As I've also said, power consumption may become the deciding element in a consumer's decision. This will always depend on individual situations.

The metrosexual comment was completely out of line.
 
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