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WWDC 14

jbltecnicspro said:
You sure about that? Her 4s was unusable? My plain-Jane iPhone 4 runs it just fine. No, it's not as snappy as my 5s, but I certainly wouldn't call it "unusable." :confused:
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As was mentioned before, apparently the 2nd or third update after vanilla 7 solved some of the issues, but we weren't waiting that long for them to fix it.
Upgraded to a Nexus 5 instead of dealing with the thing.
 
Modred189 said:
We also know it's not using the local wifi network, since the video plainly states that it works when out of range of a network because it will prompt to using the phone as an LTE hotspot.
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How would Apple go about pairing one device (say, an iMac) with another (say, an iPhone) without WiFi, Bluetooth or some other wireless technology? The iMac has a limited range of wireless connectivity options, none of which include 3G or LTE. In order for the iPhone to act as a hotspot for a device that lacks any long-range wireless capability, it must be within WiFi or Bluetooth range.

How can this not operate via WiFi is the question I would ask.
 
wonderfield said:
How would Apple go about pairing one device (say, an iMac) with another (say, an iPhone) without WiFi, Bluetooth or some other wireless technology? The iMac has a limited range of wireless connectivity options, none of which include 3G or LTE. In order for the iPhone to act as a hotspot for a device that lacks any long-range wireless capability, it must be within WiFi or Bluetooth range.

How can this not operate via WiFi is the question I would ask.
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That's what I'm saying, it has to use wifi.

So, the Mac is sitting there with its wifi radio on.
The Phone is in your hands while you are using it for a Pages doc, and it is in Wifi access point mode (Call it Handoff Mode).
You walk in the door and your Mac sees the phone's access point.
[Now, I don't know much about the finer points of wifi adapters, but I always thought there were some limitations on being connected to more than one AP at a time. Would Hand Off Mode 'ON' mean your phone doesn't' connect to the local wifi automatically any more?]
The Phone says, "Hey Mac, I'm being used for Pages, be ready for a file!"
You go to your PC, click the icon and the file is transferred from the phone/AP and launched on the Mac.

And all that vice versa as well.

My point is that it's using the phone's wifi working as a broadcasting AP (battery drain!!!), not a local wifi network.
 
Modred189 said:
As was mentioned before, apparently the 2nd or third update after vanilla 7 solved some of the issues, but we weren't waiting that long for them to fix it.
Upgraded to a Nexus 5 instead of dealing with the thing.
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Your demands must be pretty high then if a 4s couldn't satisfy you. Up until now, I've been using an iPhone 4. And at no time did I feel it was "unusable." I did turn off motion effects though.
 
Modred189 said:
That's what I'm saying, it has to use wifi.

So, the Mac is sitting there with its wifi radio on.
The Phone is in your hands while you are using it for a Pages doc, and it is in Wifi access point mode (Call it Handoff Mode).
You walk in the door and your Mac sees the phone's access point.
[Now, I don't know much about the finer points of wifi adapters, but I always thought there were some limitations on being connected to more than one AP at a time. Would Hand Off Mode 'ON' mean your phone doesn't' connect to the local wifi automatically any more?]
The Phone says, "Hey Mac, I'm being used for Pages, be ready for a file!"
You go to your PC, click the icon and the file is transferred from the phone/AP and launched on the Mac.

And all that vice versa as well.

My point is that it's using the phone's wifi working as a broadcasting AP (battery drain!!!), not a local wifi network.
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To me it seems to be using iBeacon, which is based off Bluetooth LE: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6048

and Airdrop: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5887

Now it's possible they may have expanded iBeacon to Wifi, but we'll see.

iBeacon/Bluetooth makes the handshake between the devices and Wifi could provide the transport in a temporary Ad-hoc session (which I believe is how AirDrop works). Or it could also use Bluetooth for the transport as an alternative.

As far as the hotspot functionality goes, it doesn't have to run all of the time on the phone. The Mac queries the device and its capabilities, sees it "can" offer hotspot mode and tells it to enable it for use. It does NOT have to run all of the time at this point.
 
Blackforge said:
To me it seems to be using iBeacon, which is based off Bluetooth LE: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT6048
and Airdrop: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht5887
Now it's possible they may have expanded iBeacon to Wifi, but we'll see.
iBeacon/Bluetooth makes the handshake between the devices and Wifi could provide the transport in a temporary Ad-hoc session (which I believe is how AirDrop works). Or it could also use Bluetooth for the transport as an alternative.

As far as the hotspot functionality goes, it doesn't have to run all of the time on the phone. The Mac queries the device and its capabilities, sees it "can" offer hotspot mode and tells it to enable it for use. It does NOT have to run all of the time at this point.
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Possibly, but like I said, the video seems to make BT not possible. It says it can do all this stuff form "across the house in a charger." If they really mean that, with walls etc in between, BT is not likely going to work.
 
OneNote and Office docs automatically sync and will remember your place so when you open it on another device you resume where you left off. Since Win 8 saves documents to OneDrive by default, its already setup for a new user, they don't have to choose cloud as a save location before this will work. And it works on all platforms, not just Apple owned ones.

I'm not sure about Google Docs. They probably added some refinements, but its nice to see Apple finally get features other platforms have had for years.
 
Modred189 said:
Possibly, but like I said, the video seems to make BT not possible. It says it can do all this stuff form "across the house in a charger." If they really mean that, with walls etc in between, BT is not likely going to work.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy
http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/low-energy-tech-info.aspx

Says it can operate at over 100m (330ft) away and uses frequency hopping to counteract interference.

I'd say that's a fairly reasonable distance away. Not across a whole house, but next room over or similar. Though it does appear that it could go even beyond that range if possible according to the specs and what the manufacturer throws behind it.
 
Blackforge said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluetooth_low_energy
http://www.bluetooth.com/Pages/low-energy-tech-info.aspx

Says it can operate at over 100m (330ft) away and uses frequency hopping to counteract interference.

I'd say that's a fairly reasonable distance away. Not across a whole house, but next room over or similar. Though it does appear that it could go even beyond that range if possible according to the specs and what the manufacturer throws behind it.
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Where do you live that your house is larger than 100 meters in any direction?
 
MrCrispy said:
OneNote and Office docs automatically sync and will remember your place so when you open it on another device you resume where you left off. I'm not sure about Google Docs. They probably added some refinements, but its nice to see Apple finally get features other platforms have had for years.
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I was not aware that Microsoft Office was a platform. I was also not aware that Office will propagate document notifications to other devices when in WiFi range.
 
wonderfield said:
I was not aware that Microsoft Office was a platform. I was also not aware that Office will propagate document notifications to other devices when in WiFi range.
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Microsoft Office isn't an operating system but it is considered by many to be a platform considering the vast number of tools, extensions and APIs that at least the Windows desktop clients support.

Office documents don't inherently sync and notify with the exception of OneNote which doesn't send notifications but does sync files automatically when connected to a shared notebook on a network without the need for a 3rd party cloud.
 
People are confusing the concept of simply syncing files between devices and actually moving actively open files between devices. This isn't file sync.
 
The method these presenters are using during their demos is driving me nuts. They all use the same sound of emphatic words.
 
Terpfen said:
Where do you live that your house is larger than 100 meters in any direction?
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I think realistically you'd probably only see about 200 ft at max (not accounting for interference). Of course this will depend on all devices involved and we don't (at least I don't) know the specifics of Apple's Bluetooth implementations for each device. But I can easily see exceeding this distance in a average ranch style house if you have your phone sitting on a night stand within a bedroom at the far corner and you're in the opposite end with multiple walls to pass through. In a centrally located area you probably wouldn't see too many issues.

Then again, in most situations where I'd even use the hotspot capability, I'd be in a hotel room or somewhere similar within a very limited distance. Plus I've found some other specs where it shows up to 250m instead. In any case I think you're decently covered for most situations.
 
Apple's press conferences are very carefully rehearsed.

Federighi's the best of them, though. He comes off the most naturally and genuinely interested in what he talks about.
 
NetJunkie said:
People are confusing the concept of simply syncing files between devices and actually moving actively open files between devices. This isn't file sync.
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Sure, but it's accomplishing the same thing via another path. So, instead of syncing via a server, or emailing to file, it's doing a point-to point transfer, with an autolaunch tacked at the end.

So, let's assume this works perfectly. Let's assume no additional battery drain or interference with networking.
I'm not sure how I see this as being any better than Google Drive or OneDrive as is. You have to DO something for the document to go from Phone/tablet/PC to PC/tablet/phone (assuming it works between mobile devices). With OneDrive or Google Drive you just close what you were working on and open it on the second device, already synced.

On Hand Off you have to send it.
On the other two you have to open it.

There's no real benefit as far as I can see, and with HandOff, it's not backing up at the same time. There's no remote access or collab capability etc.
 
There is benefit. Maybe just not for you. Not every use case helps every user. I regularly walk up to my rMBP or iMac while working on something on my iPad or iPhone...or walk up with my rMBP to my iMac. Whatever. It'll make it easier. And you're not blocked from using DropBox or whatever. When you save a file you can absolutely sync it up to your cloud storage of choice. This is for things being worked on RIGHT THEN AND OPEN.

Don't see a need? Don't use it. But I like it.
 
wonderfield said:
No, I don't believe any interaction is required.

We don't know that either. Just because iCloud isn't playing a role in the synchronization doesn't mean it's not getting backed up. The two systems seem to be orthogonal.
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Well, there is SOME interaction. I may have mispoke: It looks like you have to hit the icon on the destination system (the PC in my examples to date) to launch the file, as opposed to sending it. Same difference.

And to be clear, i didn't say it wasn't backed up at all, just that it wasn't backing up at the same time. OneDrive/GoogleDrive/Dropbox backup at the same time/as a result of the sync procedure. Since HandOff is just a sending procedure, it doesn't backup as part of the process.

I wonder what happens to the file on the source box... does it close? I assume it will save an instance when it does in case something happens in the HandOff and it isn't sent correctly. I wonder when that copy finally updates to the new version that is being created...
Very interested to see how this all works.
 
I wish Google would learn what integration really means from Apple. They have all the pieces in place to do something like Handoff, getting voice calls on pc etc. In fact its been there for years. They just never go that extra step and ensure its their for everyone. They can't do it as much as Apple because they don't control the desktop OS, but even on Chromebook/Android its not there.
 
Is taking a voice call on your PC something people do/want to do?
 
I don't have an iPhone or another smartphone. I also don't code professionally. Do I actually get anything out of Yosemite that I'm not currently getting from Mavericks?
 
alexyang said:
I don't have an iPhone or another smartphone. I also don't code professionally. Do I actually get anything out of Yosemite that I'm not currently getting from Mavericks?
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Of course. Improved Spotlight, Mail, Safari, and Messages. Under the hood improvements. Unannounced features (because keynotes are only so long). Basically, same as the transition from Mountain Lion to Mavericks.
 
Terpfen said:
Of course. Improved Spotlight, Mail, Safari, and Messages. Under the hood improvements. Unannounced features (because keynotes are only so long). Basically, same as the transition from Mountain Lion to Mavericks.
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I guess of those, only the improved Spotlight is something that stands out. As it is now, I don't use Mail or Safari; I just use Firefox / Chrome and check my mail within the browser.
 
alexyang said:
I guess of those, only the improved Spotlight is something that stands out. As it is now, I don't use Mail or Safari; I just use Firefox / Chrome and check my mail within the browser.
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Well, that's your choice. Regardless, the improvements are there, and there are plenty of things that weren't covered in the keynote because of time constraints, as usual. Apple can't list everything.

It's a free update, you really have nothing to lose.

Modred189 said:
Is taking a voice call on your PC something people do/want to do?
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It also works in reverse. I definitely want the ability to select a phone number on my Mac and have my iPhone dial it.

Getting SMS to show up in Messages on OS X is incredible, too. Very convenient for me, since I have work-related stuff that comes in via SMS.
 
SMS is going to show up on OS X? That's awesome
Swype for iOS? That's the last piece of the pie I've been waiting for since I've moved back to iPhone

and the one major disadvantage of Google Apps over all the Apple stuff is having to maintain a google account. the more I can move away from having a google account the better I feel


and yes, handoff is using BT LE
 
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This WWDC really shows Tim Cook and the Gang going their own way in a post Jobs Apple. It looked like the most positive WWDC for developers, possibly ever. A real shift to more open usage of APIs by developers, that will pay dividends across the board as developers are able to better hooks into the system APIs and have interaction between applications.

New language was a big surprise, that also seems to be going over well in the dev community.

Apple really put the Developer in WWDC this time. It bodes well for the future of the platform.

Developers! Developers! Developers! :D
 
Can someone answer this: I have an early 2008 Mac Pro 1.1. Does Yosemite support it even though it says it supports "early 2008" for Mac Pro's or are they talking about the 2.1 systems?
 
obviouslytom said:
Can someone answer this: I have an early 2008 Mac Pro 1.1. Does Yosemite support it even though it says it supports "early 2008" for Mac Pro's or are they talking about the 2.1 systems?
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Don't you have a mid 2006 Mac Pro if you have a 1,1? The "early 2008" Mac Pro is a 3,1

You can determine your computer's build date by clicking on the Apple and looking in the About information. It's not determined by when you physically bought it.
 
mope54 said:
Don't you have a mid 2006 Mac Pro if you have a 1,1? The "early 2008" Mac Pro is a 3,1

You can determine your computer's build date by clicking on the Apple and looking in the About information. It's not determined by when you physically bought it.
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Maybe you are right. I haven't really messed with it a lot lately so I have forgotten. I will be checking it out tonight when I get home
 
In response to iOS7 and older devices above....

The iPhone 4 is TRASH on iOS7 and the iPhone 4s is BARELY usable. I've used LOTS of the things.(I have cheap friends that are still STUPID enough to buy the things because they are "free" and I am the sucker that gets to 'setup' the things.)

Some people need to either....

A) Get their head outta the "sand".(to be polite).
B) Use an iPhone 5s and see how iOS7 is SUPPOSED to run.
 
What exactly do you believe I replaced my iPhone 4 with? A potato?

Like I said: the iPhone 4 is an order of magnitude slower than the 5s in some ways. That doesn't mean it runs iOS 7 more poorly than it runs iOS 6. Obviously, it runs iOS 7 much more poorly than a 5s does.
 
QwertyJuan said:
In response to iOS7 and older devices above....

The iPhone 4 is TRASH on iOS7 and the iPhone 4s is BARELY usable. I've used LOTS of the things.(I have cheap friends that are still STUPID enough to buy the things because they are "free" and I am the sucker that gets to 'setup' the things.)

Some people need to either....

A) Get their head outta the "sand".(to be polite).
B) Use an iPhone 5s and see how iOS7 is SUPPOSED to run.
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I agree its slower, as it should be with anything tech related. I can`t expect a older device to be the same as a Brand new device?
 
wonderfield said:
What exactly do you believe I replaced my iPhone 4 with? A potato?
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That's not something to joke about.
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Well -- apple guys getting some of the features we've been enjoying for years... what's the nicest way to put it....

congrats?

I'm just waiting to hear how swype in the apple ecosystem will be "soooo much better" than the version us android guys have been using.

Just like I've been texting on my phone and then picking right up where I left off when on my PC, all messages right there in a line, read vs unread. (the chrome plugin is sweet)

Personal opinion? Apple knows they can't be as brutal and strongarm as they once were. They are opening the gates little by little. Good for them.
 
One of the ways Skype will be better on iphone is that their 3rd party keyboards will switch to the stock keyboard when inputting passwords. Other than that it'll be the same so not sure what you mean by people claiming it's better. That's what people walking around with androids with chips on their shoulders about it do. Nearly everyone I meet in real life just has a phone they got from their carrier and doesn't think much beyond that.
 
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