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WP users are mad at Google!

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They think Google is 'waging war' at Microsoft by removing ActiveSync and doing childish hashtags on Twitter like #DroidRage and...oh wait.

Feel the rage:
http://forums.wpcentral.com/windows-phone-8/208571-****-google-im-out-their-ecosystem-100%-now.html

A few gems:

Thieving google is scared ****less by the inevitable rise & potential of Windows Phone.
Notice I didn't capitalize its name, that's becos its a trivia & mediocre non-entity.
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Chrome I don't need. I use MS explorer as my primary and Firefox as my secondary browsser. My gmail accounts are now all deleted
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I think we Microsoft users could start a revolution for privacy.
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The "inevitable rise... of Windows Phone"? Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking and fanboi-ism.
 
Wait, Google made anti-WP tweets? When?

If someone switched their email address over this, then they were probably already planning to do so anyway.
 
haha.. haters gonna hate.

I've actually found it pretty funny lately as a large number of my fellow system administrators in the company have been drooling over WP and making a huge deal about how they couldn't wait because it would "just work" on our network. They all seem to HATE using touchdown on android, and aren't fans of IOS.

Then it gets released and our corporate security team won't certify it, or the new Surface tablets for use on our internal network. Right now I'm ROFL at all of them for expecting any Windows mobile product to "just work"....
 
If Microsoft had released WP8 three years ago they might have had a chance at getting developers and consumers on their side. Not a chance now.
 
I like how Microsoft tries to buy the favor of web and app developers. Apptivate.ms comes to mind and its constant advertising on StackOverflow.

Windows Phone will fail. They can shove their proprietary and shitty technologies up their butts. Internet Explorer makes me hate my job at times. Glad IE7 is finally dying.

Who knows what kind of shenanigans Microsoft is pulling on the new WP. I'm glad I don't have to deal with that shit as its adoption is minimal.
 
Say what you will about WP8, A little more competition never hurt any of us consumers :)
 
I hope these are all 14 year old pimply boys that are behaving like this. I cant imagine any self respecting adult would waste their time throwing such tantrums on the net.
 
I'm a WP user and like my phone but that fanboy stuff is a little insane. There's crazy fanboys in every camp so what else is new? Like Grazehell said, throwing tantrums on the net is pretty stupid.
 
XenIneX said:
Hi! I'd like to welcome you to the internet. You're obviously new here.
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LOL. We all rant about something on the internet but saying that you closed all your Google services, you didn't capitalise their name and pointing it out, that's so juvenile.
 
krogen said:
Microsoft is a competition that tends to slow down progress. So, yes, it does hurt customers.
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The biggest competition-squasher has already been in the smartphone market selling the most popular device for the past 6 years, so any shakeup is welcome in my eyes.
 
krogen said:
Microsoft is a competition that tends to slow down progress. So, yes, it does hurt customers.
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Because apple and google dont do the same thing? Or maybe you think RIM pushes the boundries? lol
 
skriefal said:
If Microsoft had released WP8 three years ago they might have had a chance at getting developers and consumers on their side. Not a chance now.
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I'm still lamenting the fall of WM 5.0 and Windows CE... First MS kills off a very good OS, then they create this... whatever it is that they're using now... (ok, so maybe it makes sense to people who use a lot of MS services, but with my patchwork computing it's confusing and seems a little childish somehow)

Though that being said, I agree, MS is a late comer to the game and unless they hit one out of the park somehow they're going to become another RIM (lets be honest here, hardly anyone uses a blackberry anymore...)
 
WP8 is not doing too badly compared to its predecessors. They've quadrupled sales compared to last year! And they may even be able to beat RIM in market share!

What, you want the actual number of WP8 phones sold? Well... about that... they're still too embarrassingly low for Microsoft to tell you:

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/mobile..._Handsets_Quadruple_with_Windows_Phone_8.html

But yeah, any day now they might beat those losers at RIM. Any day now...
 
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MS is just a stupid company now days, they just make alot of really dumb moves, they remind of AMD where they act in ways to cut costs that canabalize their success, the difference is MS is not poor like AMD they have billions and billions of dollars to make things happen. The only explanation I have for this is that they are too scared of antitrust litigation to make the moves they need to make.

Windows phone 8 needs to score a home run and they just arent doing it, there is no hallmark device. Everything that exists is a very conservative phone, none win in any spec at all. How exactly do they plan to push people over.

I find this ironic becaue I would love to use or try and windows 8 phone but none even exist on my carrier (sprint) and on other carriers they are all just tier 2 phones.

Battery life, screen resolution, keyboard, digitizers, large displays , there is not one single catagory where MS has a winner. All the growth in sales wont matter if they are not taking market share. In the end it is becoming obvious google is going to win this game and they will use that power to start making their way into the higher end devices, laptops and desktops.

My most current example of MS folly is skydrive / mesh, mesh was a great service I used and they just announced their closing it down, fine I will use skydrive right? Oh wait sky drive only lets you sync folders in the skydrive folder so you cant organize your computer as you see fit. MS buys up companies and then guts all the functionality out of their products. What in the hell is the point of that? Why cant you just leave the damn service running until you get the skydrive working so people actually will switch to skydrive, instead I will find a non MS alternative because skydrive sucks.

One note was the best program for note taking hands down, yet their phone versions of it suck compared to evernote and others.
 
It's aint the hardware that is keeping me from jumping on WP8. The Lumia 920 is a nice piece of hardware. It might not be the most cutting edges but everything came together nicely...except the software.

After WP7 I don't think I am eager to jump onto WP8 until the OS has matured a bit (if this ever my only problem with it that is).
 
So you are saying they don't have the software, and I am saying they don't have the hardware. lol well I guess that means they don't have anything, case closed. But my argument is essentially that until you have some reason for people to move, you will never get the software and app support. Even google is still behind on apps by a little bit, its not signifcant anymore but raw numbers are still in favor of iOS being late to the market means you need something to drive sales. And having more than 1 item to drive sales will help too. Currently MS only has a single item, office integration. Meanwhile they screwed over alot of the support WM had for businesses and such. Right now today the market leader in business phones is Apple, isn't that ironic?
 
rudy said:
MS is just a stupid company now days, they just make alot of really dumb moves, they remind of AMD where they act in ways to cut costs that canabalize their success, the difference is MS is not poor like AMD they have billions and billions of dollars to make things happen. The only explanation I have for this is that they are too scared of antitrust litigation to make the moves they need to make.

Windows phone 8 needs to score a home run and they just arent doing it, there is no hallmark device. Everything that exists is a very conservative phone, none win in any spec at all. How exactly do they plan to push people over.

I find this ironic becaue I would love to use or try and windows 8 phone but none even exist on my carrier (sprint) and on other carriers they are all just tier 2 phones.

Battery life, screen resolution, keyboard, digitizers, large displays , there is not one single catagory where MS has a winner. All the growth in sales wont matter if they are not taking market share. In the end it is becoming obvious google is going to win this game and they will use that power to start making their way into the higher end devices, laptops and desktops.

My most current example of MS folly is skydrive / mesh, mesh was a great service I used and they just announced their closing it down, fine I will use skydrive right? Oh wait sky drive only lets you sync folders in the skydrive folder so you cant organize your computer as you see fit. MS buys up companies and then guts all the functionality out of their products. What in the hell is the point of that? Why cant you just leave the damn service running until you get the skydrive working so people actually will switch to skydrive, instead I will find a non MS alternative because skydrive sucks.

One note was the best program for note taking hands down, yet their phone versions of it suck compared to evernote and others.
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Well WP8 still has the best smartphone camera. Can't really deny that. They had the most PPI but the new DNA killed that. So now they are left with just the camera. Yes, Onenote MX sucks balls, you can't even print from it, wtf is up with that. Though Onenote 2013 is the BEST note taking program I have ever used hands down. For hardware wise, I thought the 920 was going to be my halo device, but the battery life and performance doesnt quite do it yet so I stuck with my iPhone 5. The Nexus 4 isn't there either. This year the only phone that made me move from the Gnex was an iPhone oh the irony.
 
I probably switch to Outlook. In my opinion it is much better than Gmail. All I need to do is copy old mail and set up forwarding. Also the battery on my Lumia 920 is enough for my use. I recharged it between Thursday and Friday night and today I have 75% left. I have three email accounts and two of 'em are using push sync. I don't talk much or at all really but for my use the battery life is really good actually.
 
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Well WP8 still has the best smartphone camera. Can't really deny that. They had the most PPI but the new DNA killed that. So now they are left with just the camera. Yes, Onenote MX sucks balls, you can't even print from it, wtf is up with that. Though Onenote 2013 is the BEST note taking program I have ever used hands down. For hardware wise, I thought the 920 was going to be my halo device, but the battery life and performance doesnt quite do it yet so I stuck with my iPhone 5. The Nexus 4 isn't there either. This year the only phone that made me move from the Gnex was an iPhone oh the irony.
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The iphone has the best camera out there. The only place the 920 really performs is in the dark due to its fancy image stabilization.
 
Grazehell said:
The iphone has the best camera out there. The only place the 920 really performs is in the dark due to its fancy image stabilization.
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If we start comparing cameras, Nokia 808 blows competition away. For video iPhone is pretty crappy with its poor mics and massive crop (narrow fov).
 
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If we start comparing cameras, Nokia 808 blows competition away. For video iPhone is pretty crappy with its poor mics and massive crop (narrow fov).
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That thing is a camera with a phone function that is reminiscent of a the Nokia brick in size :D
 
WP8 as a mobile OS is very good. Adding them to personal networks has been a dream compared to android (and iOS). The biggest problem that is keeping them from moving product is the app store. Android has Google Maps, iOS has the long understanding of having the best over all store. WP8 doesn't have any of that.

MS has always been about getting software on their platforms and even proved that having the most popular environment for developers will get you the most business. It is where it has gotten them so far, but they are pushing an OS this time with out trying to entice anyone over? I really like WP8 but the 920 isn't enough to make me move over, I may stick with android next round.
 
Some MS haters on this thread, and yeah, wpcentral has some WP fanboys. I guess I shouldn'tbe surprised. As a guy thats used computers for over 30 years I had my days when I seriously hated MS - heck, I ran OS/2 back when it was around just so I could avoid MS. I own a 920 for the record, used to have iPhone's, and have Google tablets, and used to run linux/freebsd/openbsd/netbsd on my desktop back in the 90's, so it's not like I play favorites.

Anyway, just to point out a few things.. Google is doing this for a few reasons. One is probably that they have to pay MS money to license their tech. Second, they probably don't have a huge base that uses EAS so why bother to pay/support it when IMAP works for most people? IMO it's actually good to see them retire shit that doesn't get used. Why? Too much technical debt. Lastly, is this really a big shocker? MS products work great with MS software, Apple, Sony, and Google all do it too to some degree or another. That's what value-add is all about. In a perfect world it wouldn't matter but then in a perfect world a lot of things would be different..

To all the MS haters, remember that most people today wouldn't even own a PC if it wasn't for MS. Yes, they did a bunch of messed up (anticompetitive) shit, but fact is if the average user had to run UNIX 24/7 (I have), PC's wouldn't be nearly as widespread - not to mention tablets or iPods which are byproducts. MS has a lot of faults and failed products, but they also invest a ton in R&D which is interesting. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-nlQqFCKg

Heck, my old Apple's had "text to speech" which sucked, and later the Quadras had "voice recognition" but the fact is, it's sucked. PC's today can do it too but lets face it, it's not like it's great. This is just one area where MS is investing their money and will benefit all users - this could be applied just about anywhere, not just PCs. Would it cost other people to use/license it? Sure, but that's how a capitalist market works.
 
WillC310 said:
Some MS haters on this thread, and yeah, wpcentral has some WP fanboys. I guess I shouldn'tbe surprised. As a guy thats used computers for over 30 years I had my days when I seriously hated MS - heck, I ran OS/2 back when it was around just so I could avoid MS. I own a 920 for the record, used to have iPhone's, and have Google tablets, and used to run linux/freebsd/openbsd/netbsd on my desktop back in the 90's, so it's not like I play favorites.

Anyway, just to point out a few things.. Google is doing this for a few reasons. One is probably that they have to pay MS money to license their tech. Second, they probably don't have a huge base that uses EAS so why bother to pay/support it when IMAP works for most people? IMO it's actually good to see them retire shit that doesn't get used. Why? Too much technical debt. Lastly, is this really a big shocker? MS products work great with MS software, Apple, Sony, and Google all do it too to some degree or another. That's what value-add is all about. In a perfect world it wouldn't matter but then in a perfect world a lot of things would be different..

To all the MS haters, remember that most people today wouldn't even own a PC if it wasn't for MS. Yes, they did a bunch of messed up (anticompetitive) shit, but fact is if the average user had to run UNIX 24/7 (I have), PC's wouldn't be nearly as widespread - not to mention tablets or iPods which are byproducts. MS has a lot of faults and failed products, but they also invest a ton in R&D which is interesting. For example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nu-nlQqFCKg

Heck, my old Apple's had "text to speech" which sucked, and later the Quadras had "voice recognition" but the fact is, it's sucked. PC's today can do it too but lets face it, it's not like it's great. This is just one area where MS is investing their money and will benefit all users - this could be applied just about anywhere, not just PCs. Would it cost other people to use/license it? Sure, but that's how a capitalist market works.
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You have some good points.
I would definitely not say computer's have become as widespread as they are due to MS.
I am wouldn't say I am an MS hater. My trusty workstation that I am typing up this message on runs Windows 7 and is my main rig(hugs it*).


Microsoft has become quite clueless and is the new IBM. I think Steve Balmer is a terrible CEO. I don't really care how profitable he has kept the company, the shares price has been stagnant for a decade, the company has made some dumb decisions and seems to have lots its way while having him at the helm.
The best decision they made this century was to make the Xbox gaming console.

In the enterprise world they not are going nowhere and rightfully so. I would not want to use anything but Microsoft here(maybe because that's all I know and it seems to work very well?)
 
This was inevitable. Microsoft kept trolling Google and Android OEMs with license fees (some of which are very well justified, others not so much) and their shitty marketing campaigns on Twitter. Don't get me wrong, I love Windows Phone (ordered a shiny new Lumia 920) and I am an active developer on the platform - but how much does it surprise you that Google kills off EAS when Microsoft expects everybody to pay license fees for using it? That's like, Google paying Microsoft so Microsoft's customers can use Google Services for free. At least to me, this doesn't look like a reasonable business model.

Microsoft will have to find some kind of solution for this, and they need to do that ASAP. Google isn't suddenly going to release a Gmail for Windows Phone app.

It seems to me like Google dropped the "don't be evil" clause a long time ago because they would get screwed insisting on principle - and has now become the new Apple. Apple on the other hand is now Microsoft from the early 2000s. Question is, what is Microsoft? We'll see soon.
 
rudy said:
Because apple and google dont do the same thing? Or maybe you think RIM pushes the boundries? lol
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Maybe you should do a little bit of research then. Google & Apple developers collaborate on Webkit, as an example. They incorporate new features almost on a monthly basis, which eventually find their way in into mobile. They *do* push the envelope, and they do it very quickly.

Microsoft... Ha!... At least one the desktop, updates come - never! If it's not a security hole, it doesn't need to be fixed or upgraded. Since Microsoft is now combining mobile and desktop, we can figure that they will treat both platforms with the same "love". Android and iOS will have new features in months, with IE you'll have to wait until IE11 releases (2 years or more...). By that time current version of WP will be obsolete... Awesome, Microsoft!

Skipping web development... How about Google's Photo Sphere? Probably one of the coolest features in mobile in the last two years. Siri / voice input is on both platforms. Pattern lock and face recognition... Wireless charging... Android beam... Swype / swype-like behavior. Are you sure that Apple and Google are stagnant?
 
WillC310 said:
Anyway, just to point out a few things.. Google is doing this for a few reasons. One is probably that they have to pay MS money to license their tech. Second, they probably don't have a huge base that uses EAS so why bother to pay/support it when IMAP works for most people? IMO it's actually good to see them retire shit that doesn't get used. Why? Too much technical debt. Lastly, is this really a big shocker? MS products work great with MS software, Apple, Sony, and Google all do it too to some degree or another. That's what value-add is all about. In a perfect world it wouldn't matter but then in a perfect world a lot of things would be different..
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This pretty much hits the nail on the head. Google now has open source solutions that brings all of their products onto any device (except WP8 I guess). Running these services costs them nothing in licensing. Running MS Exchange does.

Simple business decision.
 
krogen said:
Maybe you should do a little bit of research then. Google & Apple developers collaborate on Webkit, as an example. They incorporate new features almost on a monthly basis, which eventually find their way in into mobile. They *do* push the envelope, and they do it very quickly.

Microsoft... Ha!... At least one the desktop, updates come - never! If it's not a security hole, it doesn't need to be fixed or upgraded. Since Microsoft is now combining mobile and desktop, we can figure that they will treat both platforms with the same "love". Android and iOS will have new features in months, with IE you'll have to wait until IE11 releases (2 years or more...). By that time current version of WP will be obsolete... Awesome, Microsoft!

Skipping web development... How about Google's Photo Sphere? Probably one of the coolest features in mobile in the last two years. Siri / voice input is on both platforms. Pattern lock and face recognition... Wireless charging... Android beam... Swype / swype-like behavior. Are you sure that Apple and Google are stagnant?
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I am not sure what your point is, all those features I had on devices before google or apple, pretty sure the palm pre had wireless charging before google was even in play. Apple has never built wireless charging that I am aware of. Also in case you cannot see the patter, cough maps, apple and google were only bed buddies while they needed to work together to push MS and RIM out of the way , now that they are on top it is painfully obvious they are starting to make moves to kill each other, just like samsung and apple used to work together and are not willing to do so anymore.

If you just wanna go pick apart crap then you should notice that MS makes a ton of apps and is making more for both android and iOS. But it doesnt mean I am foolish enough to think they are going to have a long wonderful relationship or that if WP takes off they wont gut those suites fast.
 
krogen said:
Microsoft... Ha!... At least one the desktop, updates come - never! If it's not a security hole, it doesn't need to be fixed or upgraded. Since Microsoft is now combining mobile and desktop, we can figure that they will treat both platforms with the same "love". Android and iOS will have new features in months, with IE you'll have to wait until IE11 releases (2 years or more...). By that time current version of WP will be obsolete... Awesome, Microsoft!
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I guess you missed one of the big new features of IE10 being that it now has a built-in update service, allowing it to be patched for security/new features at any time (same as Firefox and Chrome)?
Also missed that Microsoft is moving to an annual (yearly) release cycle for major OS updates, the first of which being "Windows Blue," which will be released as an update for Windows 8 that adds new features + other upgrades?
And you somehow also missed that a headline feature of Windows Phone 8 was OTA updates? This allows Microsoft to patch the OS whenever they feel like, and they have already added a nice number of features to WP8 since launch.

Looks to me they're now upgrading the desktop based on their mobile-device strategy, not the other way around. Means we can expect a steady stream of new features.

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Google isn't suddenly going to release a Gmail for Windows Phone app.
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They don't need to release a Gmail app. WP7 and WP8 support IMAP, which is Google's new preferred method of accessing Gmail. That will keep working.

The removal of ActiveSync screws up calendar sync and and contact sync, though.

That said, it's not hard to simply export that data from your Google account. Contacts can be exported from Google and then imported into Outlook.com (they will immediately show back up on your phone). Google Calendar can be set up to auto-forward to Outlook.com as well, so events still show up just fine on WP7 / WP8 (though they'll be on your primary calendar, rather than being color-coded as a Google Calendar appointment).
 
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They had the most PPI but the new DNA killed that.
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Eh... 320 vs. 330 PPI isn't really a meaningful difference. There are dozens and dozens of phones all around the 320 mark, WP8 (rather, the Lumia 920) didn't really stand out from the crowd here.

rudy said:
Because apple and google dont do the same thing? Or maybe you think RIM pushes the boundries? lol
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So far Google hasn't ever gotten lazy when they are/were on top, so no.

As for Apple, have they ever really been on top in the first place?
 
kllrnohj said:
Eh... 320 vs. 330 PPI isn't really a meaningful difference. There are dozens and dozens of phones all around the 320 mark, WP8 (rather, the Lumia 920) didn't really stand out from the crowd here.
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The Lumia range of phones still has a stand-out screen thanks to the inclusion of ClearBlack, a special polarization setup that makes the screen almost totally non-reflective (exclusive to Nokia phones).

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Almost all Lumia phones have this (800, 900, 820, and 920 have it for sure. I don't know off-hand about the low-end phones). It makes them extremely impressive in daylight viewing conditions, especially when combined with the Lumia 920's new super-bright backlight modes.

The Lumia 920 also has the absolute fastest response time of any phone LCD. It refreshes its IPS panel at roughly 100 Hz in order to shrink response times to around 9ms.

And then the 820 and 920 also have "Super Sensitive Touch" as an option you can enable on their screens, which allows you to use almost any object to interact with the touch screen. You can use gloves, a stylus, silverware, a banana... anything. No more need to special "phone gloves" with this tech.
 
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Unknown-One said:
The Lumia range of phones still has a stand-out screen thanks to the inclusion of ClearBlack, a special polarization setup that makes the screen almost totally non-reflective (exclusive to Nokia phones).
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That would be more impressive if we didn't have AMOLED phones which have literally perfect blacks ;)

But yes, the Lumia 920 has a good screen, I was just pointing out that it was never really a leader in terms of PPI.

The Lumia 920 also the absolute fastest response time of any phone LCD. It refreshes its IPS panel at roughly 100 Hz in order to shrink response times to around 9.8ms.
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Source?
 
kllrnohj said:
That would be more impressive if we didn't have AMOLED phones which have literally perfect blacks ;)
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ClearBlack has nothing to do with the contrast ratio of the screen on its own... an AMOLED display without ClearBlack can wash out horribly in bright light like sunlight, because light from outside the display will enter the screen, hit the backing, and reflect back out (scattering and bouncing around on its way out).

An AMOLED (Lumia 800, 900, 820) or LCD (Lumia 920) screen equipped with ClearBlack wont have that problem. External light literally cannot reflect out of the display due to the polarizer setup in the diagram above.

And just to be doubly clear, yes, Nokia includes ClearBlack on screens with AMOLED displays. Only way to preserve their "perfect blacks" outdoors.

Source?
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Nokia calls it "PureMotion." Here's the whitepaper, directly from Nokia: http://press.nokia.com/wp-content/uploads/mediaplugin/doc/puremotion-technology-white-paper.pdf
 
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