Wolfenstein 3

How of these games do we need?

The old Blood
The New Order
The New Colossus
Wolfenstein 3
 
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Damn I really should get around to playing these games...
 
God I just hope it's not another depressing, disgusting mess like the last one and kinda like New Order as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't want all sunshine and rainbows in my games but the last one was so dark and depressing (not to mention the idiotic SJW notion that white people in the US would be just fine with nazi rule) I wanted to hang myself halfway through it and have yet to finish it.

Personally my favorite was Return to Castle Wolfenstein. I thought that captured the best spirit of the game. Wolfenstein is a game I've been playing since 1982 on the Commodore 64 so it'll always be a buy for me but after the last mess of a game, I'll be a little more cautious.
 
MacLeod said:
God I just hope it's not another depressing, disgusting mess like the last one and kinda like New Order as well. Don't get me wrong, I don't want all sunshine and rainbows in my games but the last one was so dark and depressing (not to mention the idiotic SJW notion that white people in the US would be just fine with nazi rule) I wanted to hang myself halfway through it and have yet to finish it.

Personally my favorite was Return to Castle Wolfenstein. I thought that captured the best spirit of the game. Wolfenstein is a game I've been playing since 1982 on the Commodore 64 so it'll always be a buy for me but after the last mess of a game, I'll be a little more cautious.
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New Order is a top five game for me, but the New Colossus was a hot mess. I pretty much lost interest in the series after it. Too dark, too much stuff inserted for shock value alone. Came off as depraved, and sick.

Watching the old leader woman get executed with as much depravity as a beheading by middle eastern terroist in the first half hour was the first dark jolt.
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Hitler vomiting and pissing all over himself and you are in the room with him and don’t kill him?
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Black funk she-woman leader character nursing a plastic looking baby that NEVER seemed to fit the story? What or who gave her authority? Why is she ordering BJ around like the assumed commander immediately?
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Crazy reverend drunken hippie character didn’t fit the story? That was a scene straight off a bad trip of drugs.
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Fat Nazi girl who didn’t add to the story but only detracted with everyone’s constant shaming and her juvenile sex scene with the black crew member?
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BJ turning into a cyborg? Did we need that? Really?
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Naked pregnant girlfriend covered in blood as she machine gunned down an entire room? You spend the entire series trying to save her and the world so your twins can grow up and then you bring her with you, pregnant, on the last mission that has supposedly, almost a holistic chance of failure? “But how would we work in this great shock scene otherwise?”
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Executing the antagonist with a hatchet and watching a cutscene of her eye fall out?
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The game lacked original ideas or content and tried to make up for it with shock value/dark storyline alone. It’s made for the type of person who likes to watch faces of death or live leak and is a hard departure from New Order —it’s the wrong way for gaming to progress in triple A title form. You want gaming to be unacceptable to mainstream audiences? Continue down this course.

Hard Pass from me. And I hope they reverse course back towards New Order’s creative story driven alternate game world, but still make it logically palatable. New Collosus is not.
 
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Archaea said:
New Order is a top five game for me, but the last one was a hot mess. I pretty much lost interest in the series after it.
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Yeah I liked New Order pretty good too. It was dark and depressing but not as over the top as Colossus was. The opening scene alone was just stupid. Here I am all excited to be playing the new Wolfenstein and the very first scene is one out of Hostel so there went my excitement. The last straw tho was when we find out that white folks in the US are perfectly happy with the nazis and don't mind a little genocide and of course the KKK runs things in the south because we all hate minorities here dear old Dixie. That's about the point I turned it off and haven't been back to it since.
 
MacLeod said:
Yeah I liked New Order pretty good too. It was dark and depressing but not as over the top as Colossus was. The opening scene alone was just stupid. Here I am all excited to be playing the new Wolfenstein and the very first scene is one out of Hostel so there went my excitement. The last straw tho was when we find out that white folks in the US are perfectly happy with the nazis and don't mind a little genocide and of course the KKK runs things in the south because we all hate minorities here dear old Dixie. That's about the point I turned it off and haven't been back to it since.
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You aren’t missing anything.
 
Archaea said:
New Order is a top five game for me, but the New Colossus was a hot mess. I pretty much lost interest in the series after it. Too dark, too much stuff inserted for shock value alone. Came off as depraved, and sick.

Watching the old leader woman get executed with as much depravity as a beheading by Islamic terroist in the first half hour was the first dark jolt.

Hitler vomiting and pissing all over himself and you are in the room with him and don’t kill him?

Black funk she-woman leader character nursing a plastic looking baby that NEVER seemed to fit the story? What or who gave her authority? Why is she ordering BJ around like the assumed commander immediately?

Crazy reverend drunken hippie character didn’t fit the story? That was a scene straight off a bad trip of drugs.

Fat Nazi girl who didn’t add to the story but only detracted with everyone’s constant shaming and her juvenile sex scene with the black crew member?

BJ turning into a cyborg? Did we need that? Really?

Naked pregnant woman covered in blood as she machine gunned down an entire room? You spend the entire series trying to save her and the world so your twins can grow up and then you bring her with you, pregnant, on the last mission that has supposedly, almost a holistic chance of failure? “But how would we work in this great shock scene otherwise?”

Executing the antagonist with a hatchet and watching a cutscene of her eye fall out?

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The game lacked original ideas or content and tried to make up for it with shock value/dark storyline alone. It’s made for the type of person who likes to watch faces of death or live leak and is a hard departure from New Order —it’s the wrong way for gaming to progress in triple A title form. You want gaming to be unacceptable to mainstream audiences? Continue down this course.

Hard Pass from me. And I hope they reverse course back towards New Order’s creative story driven alternate game world, but still make it logically palatable. New Collosus is not.
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It's made by the Swedes, the most woke country in the world. You're just not woke enough to understand its greatness.
 
Well, I for one welcome more of it. I actually just started playing The New Colossus last night. (a bit late I suppose) I'm having a blast with it. From what I've seen so far, it's not quite The New Order story-wise, and while the character detail is a bit lower, the overall world detail and lighting is insanely good. I've heard people don't like it a lot, but so far it's pretty solid. I'm definitely glad they made it, and will definitely be up for more.
 
J3RK said:
Well, I for one welcome more of it. I actually just started playing The New Colossus last night. (a bit late I suppose) I'm having a blast with it. From what I've seen so far, it's not quite The New Order story-wise, and while the character detail is a bit lower, the overall world detail and lighting is insanely good. I've heard people don't like it a lot, but so far it's pretty solid. I'm definitely glad they made it, and will definitely be up for more.
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Please make sure to report back if you still feel that way by the end of the game. My love of New Order is the only reason I made it through New Collosus — and at that it just kept getting worse IMO the farther you go into the game. I’m interested in your conclusion.
 
Archaea said:
Please make sure to report back if you still feel that way by the end of the game. My love of New Order is the only reason I made it through New Collosus — and at that it just kept getting worse IMO the farther you go into the game. I’m interested in your conclusion.
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I'm fairly laid back and forgiving in general when it comes to games. Well, most games anyway. I can nitpick a bit sometimes, but if it's a game from a series I like, from a studio I like, and they didn't royally fuck it up, then I'm usually pretty happy. I can still tell the difference between mediocre and excellent, don't get me wrong, but I can find enjoyment in most games. I've heard that it kind of deteriorates as the game goes on, so I'm sure your opinion matches that of many people. I'll probably notice the same things, but will probably still enjoy it. The New Order was a definite high mark though. I'm sure I can give a good comparison after I play it further. I don't mind telling it how it is, I just don't go looking for something not to like unless it's staring me in the face. :D I will say this, id Software and their affiliates (formerly-Raven, Machine Games, etc.) are the absolute masters of larger than life machinery in their games. I don't think I've stopped and stared at something in a game as much as I do in any of their games. (spinning reactors and things in the Doom games, ship engines and other things in the Wolfenstein games, sewer equipment in RAGE, Strogg equipment in Quake, etc.) I was wheeling my wheelchair through the engine room of the sub last night, looking at the crank shafts :D They always play up those huge moving parts in their visuals. With all the fancy lighting in their engines, it's just insane.
 
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I didn't think the latest one was great, but then again i didn't think it was THAT bad. I've played much worse games in my time.. lol As for people following the status quo in these games, probably a lot of people would do anything just to survive, not make waves and try to live day to day. And those who do make trouble would be *Ahem*, The Rebels. (How many people today don't seem to care what happens in the world as long as their lives are not affected too much?)
 
Denpepe said:
You forgot Youngblood, but we need more, one can never have enough good games, there are enough shitty ones.
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Yup. The first game was indeed better. Mainly because of the awkward health mechanic for the first part of the game and because you got stuck on objects more frequently.

I enjoyed the Hitler scene. Gave a reason to hate the guy. He wasn't a faceless bad guy or purely comic relief. Seems like he was getting old, weary and even more crazy. I am assuming they will build off of that in the next game.

MacLeod said:
The last straw tho was when we find out that white folks in the US are perfectly happy with the nazis and don't mind a little genocide and of course the KKK runs things in the south because we all hate minorities here dear old Dixie. That's about the point I turned it off and haven't been back to it since.
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What? It is fiction. The US got invaded. In practically any semi civilized place that gets invaded there are those that fall in with the invaders. Sometimes they're like to exercise minimal control rather than be run entirely by a foreign government. See Vichy France. Add in propaganda and you have your locals who support the invading regime. Yeah if somehow the Nazis invaded the US I can see them using minorities as a scapegoat, just like they did in Germany. Hence the KKK. It was the 1950s, pre-civil rights, and the US was invaded by a country that used race as a basis for many of their policies.

Suspend reality for a moment, think about what is playing out of screen, and quit getting offended.
 
Suspend disbelief? It's actually happening on a small scale in real life in this country right now. No need to suspend anything.

Side note: I agree. :D

I'm really enjoying the gunplay in this game, but then, I do in every id game. I do like the way the gun position changes when you move in tight somewhere, and doesn't just continue to stick out. I also like that it turns around corners and over railings as you approach. It's such a small thing, but it really adds to immersion. The mechanics of this game are top notch. Sure, there may be some deficiencies elsewhere or later in the game, I don't know, haven't made it that far yet, I only dropped the U-boat back into the water and met back up with the group as of last night. However, just from a raw action gameplay standpoint, it's quite excellent. We'll see how the rest falls into place, but from that point of view I am not disappointed in the least. The suit is a bit much, but I actually really like it. Nothing in a Wolfenstein game was ever historically accurate or true to life, so why the hell not. The whole game is larger than life, and that's how it should be IMO. (speaking about all of them really when I say this)

I think I'm in for some fun. Maybe it won't equal my utter awe-stricken wonderment of the moon-base in TNO but I'm sure it's going to be a blast.
 
I could put up with The New Colossus, story fuckups and all if they didn't jack the difficulty through the fucking roof.

I got through the second chapter, and in this stealth section you have to fight off dozens of assholes in total darkness just to turn off an alarm (because they ALWAYS see you, I've tried it dozens of times).

I've never hit such a hard wall so early in the previous game, and that shit used arbitrary checkpoints. Cutting your health in half permanently just punches you in the face every chapter.

So if they're continuing this already fucked story, I'm out. Game is too fucking broken to be fun anymore, regardless of how poor "shock-value story" was.
 
fightingfi said:
how and where did you get blake stone and does it work on win 10 i played the shit out of that game would love to replay it
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Both GOG and Steam have it, and it runs on DOSBox. There is also a source port called BStone.
 
Flogger23m said:
What? It is fiction. The US got invaded. In practically any semi civilized place that gets invaded there are those that fall in with the invaders. Sometimes they're like to exercise minimal control rather than be run entirely by a foreign government. See Vichy France. Add in propaganda and you have your locals who support the invading regime. Yeah if somehow the Nazis invaded the US I can see them using minorities as a scapegoat, just like they did in Germany. Hence the KKK. It was the 1950s, pre-civil rights, and the US was invaded by a country that used race as a basis for many of their policies.

Suspend reality for a moment, think about what is playing out of screen, and quit getting offended.
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Yeah, no shit it's fiction. So was The Last Jedi and I didn't care about the SJW bullshit in it either.

I stopped playing the game because it was too dark and depressing, the SJW aspect was just the last straw because I'm sick to fucking death of it.

White people in this country fought a civil war mostly over slavery. The notion that white people in the US would just roll over and let nazis take over and commit genocide is absolute bullshit. If the game had been good I would've finished it despite the SJW shit but because the game kinda sucked, I saw no reason to endure a bad game AND social justice crap. I'm not REEEEE'ing, I was just reacting to a rotten cherry on top of an already fairly bad cake.
 
MacLeod said:
Yeah, no shit it's fiction. So was The Last Jedi and I didn't care about the SJW bullshit in it either.

I stopped playing the game because it was too dark and depressing, the SJW aspect was just the last straw because I'm sick to fucking death of it.

White people in this country fought a civil war mostly over slavery. The notion that white people in the US would just roll over and let nazis take over and commit genocide is absolute bullshit. If the game had been good I would've finished it despite the SJW shit but because the game kinda sucked, I saw no reason to endure a bad game AND social justice crap. I'm not REEEEE'ing, I was just reacting to a rotten cherry on top of an already fairly bad cake.
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You're definitely "REEEEE'ing". In the game the US lost the war and the Nazis took over. That is what happens when you loose and get invaded. It happened in Poland, Czechoslovakia and France if you're looking for more direct examples. Of course you'll do what your conquers demand. Not like you can do anything about it. The US military was crushed. Hence the various resistances.

You're just getting upset over what amounts to nothing. The South and Democratic party were fairly corrupt back then to. The KKK was fairly intertwined with local politics. Would not amaze me that the KKK would fall in line / or be used as local henchmen to carry out the Nazi regimes tasks. Again, look to the above countries if you want to see real world examples of that happening in the real WWII.
 
There a interesting documentary on Netflix about the Nazis initial elimination of the undesirables. The mentally retarded, the handicap, the ill. The elimination of humans that were deemed a drain on society was actually western academic thinking in orgin — prevailing in elite circles in Europe and America. These elites just hadn’t taken action on it. Hitler’s Nazi party took these circulating ideas and decided to follow through on it. Using the war as the excuse that these types of people were a resource drain on the Nazi War machine. They weren’t suitable to meet the characteristics of an Arian race. The documentary went on to say that initially these actions against the outcasts of German society was viewed as forward thinking and progressive and acceptable by some circles in the elite academic world.

The extension to the genocide of the Poles, Gypsies, and Jews was the second round of progressive extermination. I expect that was more distasteful to even secular humanity at large. It wouldn’t have stopped there if Germany won the War.

I’m just pointing out the Europe and America’s ideology in the elite academic circles wasn’t apparently angelic for comparison during this same period. I have no doubt then that some Americans would have joined the German victors. Just as I have no doubt there would be resistance fighters. There were resistance fighters even in Germany — multiple assasination attempts and sabaterurs by German people. I think exploring that dichotomy is one element these newer wolfenstein games do right and are intellectually intriguing for (especially New Order)
 
MacLeod said:
Personally my favorite was Return to Castle Wolfenstein. I thought that captured the best spirit of the game. Wolfenstein is a game I've been playing since 1982 on the Commodore 64 so it'll always be a buy for me but after the last mess of a game, I'll be a little more cautious.
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I LOVE RTCW. LOVE IT! It was my entry into that Battlefield style of MP. Man, that MP was glorious. It's funny when I mention that game, people think I'm referring to that Raven Developed one.
 
twonunpackmule said:
I LOVE RTCW. LOVE IT! It was my entry into that Battlefield style of MP. Man, that MP was glorious. It's funny when I mention that game, people think I'm referring to that Raven Developed one.
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I really liked that atmosphere of it. Even tho the graphics are dated by today's standard but I really liked it when you got into the mountains. You could hear the wind thru the trees, the crack and echo of the rifle when you fired it, the scenery....there was a several times I just wandered around a little and took in the view.

I would love for them to make something like that again but with modern graphics.
 
Archaea said:
Please make sure to report back if you still feel that way by the end of the game. My love of New Order is the only reason I made it through New Collosus — and at that it just kept getting worse IMO the farther you go into the game. I’m interested in your conclusion.
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Well, I got bit further in over the weekend. Story-wise I've joined up with the female Samuel Jackson :D So yeah, they're a bit heavy-handed with some of the dialog now. Still not too bad, and still fun game-play-wise. I had fun in the burned out NY section. I wish it was just a touch more open while maintaining a clear course, just to add to the scale of it, but just from a pure atmosphere and gunplay standpoint it was very good. I'm sure things will continue along more or less in a similar way. We'll see though. While it's not totally blowing me a way like the first time I played TNO, I'm still having a lot of fun with it.
 
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