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Windows Vista Use Growing
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I used to agree with you. When I used XP, I turned off half the services, used the Windows Classic theme, disabled all the fading, shadows, and effects, and pretty much stripped the OS of anything I could, just to make things run "smoother".
Then, I upgraded to Vista (without any major problems), and decided to actually use the features that MS put into it as they are intended to be used. And you know what? I actually found that I liked most of the features! It's nice to be able to type in a phrase and instantly find all files containing that phrase. Aero makes the computer more fun to use. UAC, although it takes up an extra five seconds of every one of my days, means that "Windows" and "secure" can now be used in the same sentence. Having a link to common places on the sides of folder panes, it turns out, is convenient. Software sticky notes on the right side of the desktop make great reminders. Allowing Vista to precache my favorite programs into unused memory when the system is idle does make those programs open faster.
I don't know about XP, but I encourage everyone upgrading to Vista to try learning about that "useless crap" and using it for a few weeks. You may find that you like some of it. Yes, you'll lose a few FPS in games or a few seconds in startup time, but I think most of the features are worth it.
Look, MS had two choices: include DRM and piss off elite gamers and pirates, or: don't include DRM and piss off everyone who wants to play HD movies on their PC. It's a lose-lose situation. I know you didn't want MS to include DRM. But a lot of people did want MS to include DRM so they could play HD movies.
As for the original post: of course Vista usage is increasing! MS would have to make a pretty bad OS for everyone to refuse to upgrade.
If you never saw a UAC prompt, you can rest assured that said malicious programs did not alter any system files or do anything to harm your OS and/or it's security.
Oh, and if you think UAC is a joke, consider that it is basically the same security system used in Linux and Mac OS X. You must think that all operating systems are a joke.
I get the feeling you think it's a joke just because microsoft made it, so it has to be a joke.
WicKeDcHilD
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Uggh..
The only reason I'm not using Vista right now is budget, and the fact that I use Photoshop, Illustrator, and Premier heavily. I really don't want to have performance hits on my work by upgrading the OS. I know they're small, but they add up over time. I know it's impossible to have a new OS with new features and NOT receive a performance hit, but I would like to see how the applications and OS grow to offset those issues.
That doesn't mean that I think that this is Microsoft's fault for that. Every first version of software and hardware (with the exception of some godsends out there) have growing pains and problems. Vista has some very public (hard not to be when everyone is waiting in the wings to yell "Kill Microsoft!") and very noticeable issues. Most of them seem to have to do with drivers, which can't really be laid at Microsoft's doorstep. But compared to many other releases, Vista seems to be much more "ready" off the bat and with fewer issues than it's previous releases. I remember not wanting to touch XP for close to a year. It's amazing how quickly we all forget growing pains...
I personally can't wait to see if Vista SP1 will eliminate some of the performance issues because I can't wait to use this OS.
If someone out there can point out one major OS that didn't have growing pains, and hasn't had something to complain about or fix during it's first years, I'd love to see it. I still feel that a lot of this is just the usual "M$ is evil!!!!!" mindset that seems to have permeated society.
But that's just me.
The only reason I'm not using Vista right now is budget, and the fact that I use Photoshop, Illustrator, and Premier heavily. I really don't want to have performance hits on my work by upgrading the OS. I know they're small, but they add up over time. I know it's impossible to have a new OS with new features and NOT receive a performance hit, but I would like to see how the applications and OS grow to offset those issues.
That doesn't mean that I think that this is Microsoft's fault for that. Every first version of software and hardware (with the exception of some godsends out there) have growing pains and problems. Vista has some very public (hard not to be when everyone is waiting in the wings to yell "Kill Microsoft!") and very noticeable issues. Most of them seem to have to do with drivers, which can't really be laid at Microsoft's doorstep. But compared to many other releases, Vista seems to be much more "ready" off the bat and with fewer issues than it's previous releases. I remember not wanting to touch XP for close to a year. It's amazing how quickly we all forget growing pains...
I personally can't wait to see if Vista SP1 will eliminate some of the performance issues because I can't wait to use this OS.
If someone out there can point out one major OS that didn't have growing pains, and hasn't had something to complain about or fix during it's first years, I'd love to see it. I still feel that a lot of this is just the usual "M$ is evil!!!!!" mindset that seems to have permeated society.
But that's just me.
Sorry for the double post, but I meant to add before I hit the submit button that it's completely unreasonable for anyone to expect addition functionality, new features, and even an active security solution without exceeding a much older and less feature-rich Operating System's requirements and performance.
That doesn't at all address what in particular I dislike about the new UI, but I'm not going to get into a rant about it here.
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How is Photoshop loading instantaneously (thanks to SuperFetch) going to cut your productivity? If anything, I'd think you'd want the performance enhancements SuperFetch offers to "desktop" applications.
superfetch can also be a super pain in the ass too.. especially when you fire your system up to play a game, and your computer sits there at 100% load cycle for 5 minutes loading photoshop and other crap into memory before you can even start the game.
Yeah, but if you use those games a lot, SuperFetch will be loading them into memory, negating the system start-up time by reducing the time it takes your game to load.
So, yes, the first five minutes of every session is slower. The rest of the session is faster.
Turning the PC into a HD player is not what most people wanted. Do you see any movies being played in the office? If I want to watch a HD movie, I'll buy a player and connect it to my TV.
Exactly.
Why is it that everyone wants EVERY ONE of their devices to do EVERYTHING? All we will end up with is a bunch of crap that can do everything... but does NOTHING well.
This trend in technology triggers my gag reflex.
Isn't that party the industry's fault however, seeing as there are so many requirements to watch HD content. I mean, I could get Vista and have the DRM requirements to watch HD, but my Monitor is not HD compliant so it won't work for me anyways. That's the only part I need. My OS would be compliant, my vid card is compliant...
The fact that all of that is required is kind of sickening, but that's the industry standard, not Microsoft's idea.
It's quite amusing, considering the sticky at top of page saying people will be banned for off-topic thread-crapping comments, to see the progress of this topic. Thread is about Vista sales, isn't it?
Vista sales will continue to be healthy and grow, matching or perhaps even exceeding the pattern of XP's market penetration. It's a fine product to use, after all.
It'll never attain the level of market dominance which XP enjoyed at its height, though, because Vista simply won't have the lifespan as the current product which XP enjoyed.
Vista sales will continue to be healthy and grow, matching or perhaps even exceeding the pattern of XP's market penetration. It's a fine product to use, after all.
It'll never attain the level of market dominance which XP enjoyed at its height, though, because Vista simply won't have the lifespan as the current product which XP enjoyed.
This topic is about vista. ... HD content is a big selling point for vista supporters.
... talking about that, does not seem off topic to me. But I guess when talking about vista vs XP... it is easy to get sidetracked due to one clearly being better than the other.
Every benchmark I've seen to date shows vista behind XP in the conclusion.
Dell switched to vista... and you couldn't order a machine from them with XP on it. A month later... they lost so much money due to lost sales from that decision that they changed their mind and now offer XP once again.
I have not had one customer come through my door that has had a positive experience with vista. ... short of it being "pretty."
Good thing the priorities were straight.
... talking about that, does not seem off topic to me. But I guess when talking about vista vs XP... it is easy to get sidetracked due to one clearly being better than the other.
Every benchmark I've seen to date shows vista behind XP in the conclusion.
Dell switched to vista... and you couldn't order a machine from them with XP on it. A month later... they lost so much money due to lost sales from that decision that they changed their mind and now offer XP once again.
I have not had one customer come through my door that has had a positive experience with vista. ... short of it being "pretty."
Good thing the priorities were straight.
I remember everyone thinking XP was the worst OS ever....we all praised Win2K and nobody wanted to touch XP...lol
Its happening again!!
The one OS everyone can honestly say was horrible from start to thank god it died finish was ME edition..
Its happening again!!
The one OS everyone can honestly say was horrible from start to thank god it died finish was ME edition..
QFT
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It runs at the lowest priority level. You can do anything you want and you wont even know it's running. It will just take longer for it to finish.
Well, I'm not speaking as some dude who is bashing ms. I interface with no less than 25 customers a day, so I have a pretty good pulse on what the public is thinking.
The general public hates vista. It is plagued with problems. After SP1... I'm sure things will get better. But right now, I do not sell a system with vista, and do not reccomend it to my clients.
The general public hates vista. It is plagued with problems. After SP1... I'm sure things will get better. But right now, I do not sell a system with vista, and do not reccomend it to my clients.
it can still overheat a water loop when the fan settings are on low.
I guess I should come through your door, then. I've had no problems since my installation of Vista. Maybe it's because I have Vista 64-bit. I've heard that Vista 32-bit has more problems than Vista 64-bit. I
MO, there never should have been a 32-bit version of Vista, anyway. Now, we will have to wait another generation for anything at all to take advantage of a capability that's been in our processors for years.
XP didn't add a DRM layer to the HAL, require driver rewrites, reduced hardware functionality, DRM monitoring processes, etc. XP was Win2K with additional eye candy and some cleanup.
What exactly does an upgrade from XP to Vista provide you and what does it take away?
You'll find plenty of informed advice about that in the OS section. No need to clutter up the thread!
Hey now. I'm running 32-Bit Vista and it hasn't been problematic (immature drivers aside) for myself at all.
The trick with Vista is it needs time to run and get used to the system it's in. Then it works great. But most people don't always do that.
Please, get over the DRM. Unless you are trying to copy HD content or play HD content without the proper hardware, you won't even notice it. Really.
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Then you need to invest in some better WC gear or give your stuff a thorough cleaning.
Haha, my WC system is elite as far as WC systems go. When my system sits there loading crap into memory on boot, and then flogs my cpu for 2 hours+ catorgorizing and indexing search criteria, eventuall when the fans are on a low setting, the system overheats.