Windows Server 2012 Powers the Cloud OS

ND40oz said:
The new hot corners feature is a pain when your RDP'd in or have it up in a VM guest window, other then that, it'll just take some getting used to.
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Hot corners sucks and is just a rip off of Mac OS X. Add this to the pile of annoying features of Windows that needs to be disabled as it is disruptive of productivity.
 
One of the reason Pros, in any field cry is because as long as stuff is hard to do they feel their job is secure, if any guy in the office can run the server securely than their job is threatened. On top of that they just don't want to change.

Nothing wrong with the option to have a consistent UI in a server, apple sold tons of servers because of that to people who had no idea how to run them.
 
The threat to a server administrator due to a graphical interface has existed for a rather long time already. I don't think that's really as much of a factor in people's thoughts as you might think. It's probably because working in a server room is accoustically annoying. All the fan noise, the inconsistent freezing cold on one side of a rack and the blistering hot on the other side, the stupid raised floors, those annoying pull-out and flip-up screens in drawers connected to KVM switches that require stupid keyboard gymnastics, the flaky tape drives, the annoying end user support technicians' demands, the guy that farts into the front of the rack to blast you with super-heated rectal leftovers while you're working on the back of it and to throw on top of that, a touch driven interface....the nerve of them! THE NERVE!!!!!!!!!
 
Pass.
Microsoft appears to be trying to make this "server" OS similar to OS X, and I get the feeling it will eventually go the same path.

It looks like it may have some useful features, but the different OS variants' limitations is a real turn-off.
Outside of AD, you all can keep it's "new" features.

Also, for those who are complaining about the GUI, that's not the problem.
The real problem is the back-end of Windows; it's always been unstable as hell and anyone running a server with any kind of serious work-load would never use a Windows OS to begin with.

There, now that I've got the Windows hate out of me, Linux and UNIX ftw! :p
 
Red Falcon said:
Pass.
Microsoft appears to be trying to make this "server" OS similar to OS X, and I get the feeling it will eventually go the same path.

It looks like it may have some useful features, but the different OS variants' limitations is a real turn-off.
Outside of AD, you all can keep it's "new" features.

Also, for those who are complaining about the GUI, that's not the problem.
The real problem is the back-end of Windows; it's always been unstable as hell and anyone running a server with any kind of serious work-load would never use a Windows OS to begin with.

There, now that I've got the Windows hate out of me, Linux and UNIX ftw! :p
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It does the same thing as Server 2000, 2003, and 2008 does, just with a different interface and with more features thrown in. It's not like Microsoft completely scrapped Server and made OSX Server instead.

As for unstable, you're definitely talking out of your ass. None of my servers have been unstable in the 7 years I've been in IT. Servers are only as good as the person who administer it and the hardware you use for it. I'm not proficient with Linux, so you can pretty much assume that any Linux server I try to run will be unstable as well.
 
I run Windows and Linux servers side by side and even under a fairly straining workload I haven't seen any instability. I think the "unstable as hell" comment is just trolling....

Back on topic, I wary of the UI change but I'm willing to give it a try given the features 2012 brings. It does seem like Microsoft is giving VMware a run for it's money with 2012.
 
Yup, I say Red Birdie is wrong as well on the stability part. I've had no problems with server stability, even with systems that operate for months at near 100% load (since he didn't quantify "serious" I'm only taking guesses at what he's ranting about), and I don't think Server 2012 will be any different from of previous Microsoft server products in that regard.
 
Demon10000 said:
I'm not saying this to be mean or start a eArgument, but if you can't figure out how to click a hyperlink in an application by now, then it might be time to start a career change.
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Thats exactly what are you doing, because you missed the point completely in order to make a derogatory comment.

I am sure If I had the ability to hover a mouse over that UI/screenshot it would become more than apparent that something was clickable, but my point was you can't just tell by looking at it. As in relation to the original discussion you jumped in half-way, NOT INTUITIVE. Its not like I am going to cry like a baby with frustration and not be able to do my job. I just like to bitch about some of the WTF decisions Microsoft seems to enjoy making and forcing the rest of us who actually use this stuff for a living to deal with it. I cannot tell you how many times I have had to get on the phone with Microsoft support to deal with some stupid issue that should have been identified and fixed if the product had been actually tested and used in a production environment.

I'm not a fan of the UI either, but it's not going to stop me from learning and using the product. Microsoft gives me the means to make a solid living. I will provide feedback to them that the use of the product in an RDP session isn't as good as Server 2008 R2, but ffs, it's not THAT difficult.
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I never said it would stop me. I just said the UI is fucking stupid. Christ, what is with people who think because someone doesn't like some of the UI changes Microsoft makes that means they are gong to quit and go live in a hippie commune?
 
I like how all you "server pros" focus so much on the new UI and completely miss the point that the new UI is just part of a wide range of changes to Windows that is making it faster, light weight, and more reliable and compatible on all types of modern (and not so modern) hardware.

Windows can now power everything from mobile to server with the same kernel for crying out loud! It's one of the finest examples of software engineering on planet.

My nerd cred includes both infrastructure and product research, design and development so I get to say all this with a straight face.
 
Oh boy, another MS zealot who thinks any opinion that is not swinging on MS nuts is worthless. You want to talk about under the hood stuffs, go for it. For now, the discussion is around the UI.
 
Argh,

Your not a pro if you don't use CLI, thats such bullshit, powershell is great and I do use it more and more but there are still certain things about the GUI that beats the shit of CLI in speed and ease of use. Why are we going back to Unix and Novell days is that neccessary? I revert to the CLI/CMD when I have to do to a big problem that can't be fixed in GUI which happens rarely. Just because you can use CLI doesn't mean everyone will know it as well.

Any way most pros will use a RMM. SCCM, Kaseya, N-able, Labtech etc..
Anyway most IT guys don't directly manage from a server either, workstations with RSAT will do. Heck I even usually virtualize a single OS just for that and RDP into it, I guess 8 will not work all that well for it.

Lots of people don't use Hyper-v either. Imho VMWare is actually easier to setup then hyper-v with out dealing with the BS of the New UI, plus almost everything in VMware is GUI except for troubleshooting which is like >1% of the time.
 
Azhar said:
As for unstable, you're definitely talking out of your ass. None of my servers have been unstable in the 7 years I've been in IT. Servers are only as good as the person who administer it and the hardware you use for it. I'm not proficient with Linux, so you can pretty much assume that any Linux server I try to run will be unstable as well.
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Yeah, "Windows IT" for 7 years. :p
Sorry, but if they are running Windows, they are already unstable as hell; well, I guess 'stable' for Windows.

Either that or you are putting zero load or services on them.
"Windows" and "stable" should not be used in the same sentence. :eek:
 
Terminus said:
I like how all you "server pros" focus so much on the new UI and completely miss the point that the new UI is just part of a wide range of changes to Windows that is making it faster, light weight, and more reliable and compatible on all types of modern (and not so modern) hardware.
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"Faster" and "light weight" should also not be used in the same sentence as "Windows". :D
 
Red Falcon said:
Yeah, "Windows IT" for 7 years. :p
Sorry, but if they are running Windows, they are already unstable as hell; well, I guess 'stable' for Windows.

Either that or you are putting zero load or services on them.
"Windows" and "stable" should not be used in the same sentence. :eek:
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Red Falcon said:
"Faster" and "light weight" should also not be used in the same sentence as "Windows". :D
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Can you please quantify Windows instability and increased resource consumption in some set of comparable numeric values from a reasonably trustworthy source? I'm not saying outright that you're wrong, but my personal experiences don't at all mirror your claims. NT 4.0 was a bit unstable, but I've had really good results with 2k, 2k3, and 2k8 R2 and the demand the OS places on hardware isn't significant enough to limit the usefulness of the hardware to support its intended role.
 
LOL at the "Windows Server is unstable" comments. On a fucking desktop computer, yeah, maybe. On a decent server? It's rock-solid.
 
Can you please quantify Windows instability and increased resource consumption in some set of comparable numeric values from a reasonably trustworthy source?
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Yeah, me. :p

LOL at the "Windows Server is unstable" comments. On a fucking desktop computer, yeah, maybe. On a decent server? It's rock-solid.
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Well, to be fair, you didn't say "rock-solid" and "Windows" in the same sentence!!! :D


AHHHHH where the hell is heatlesssun to take over this thread and totally disprove my claims, Microsoft-Man-style?
SkribbleKat tried but the pretty-kitty was laying on my keyboard so I pushed him off. ~_~
 
Red Falcon said:
Yeah, me. :p
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Pfft! You're like the worst source for information ever! EVAR!

Red Falcon said:
AHHHHH where the hell is heatlesssun to take over this thread and totally disprove my claims, Microsoft-Man-style?
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In the OS section of the forum, posting a lot less frequently in a place that's better suited to his kind of discussion...and don't poke at him or you'll start it all over again. He's behaving himself so no being a pest about it. Besides, this is an enterprise server thing which I'm pretty sure is not his interest in computing regardless of the interface being used.
 
Windows based Cloud? LOL That's a disaster waiting to happen.


I'd rather use OpenStack instead.
 
Do they even make rackmount tablets? I don't see the point of a tablet OS for a server. :D

Kainzo said:
*nix > any windows server
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This. Though I've worked IT server support and sadly mostly everything in the business world is Windows based. I always found my experience better with Linux and in the business world there are plenty of situations where I wished I was working on Linux as the task at hand would be easier. All my stuff at home and online is Linux and it's rock solid and anything I want to do is easy to do and does not require paying anything. In windows, even simple tasks like backing up a mail server requires to jump through hoops... and also buy something extra. WTF, I already paid 1k+ for the OS now I have to pay more for some 3rd party software? Then there's Cals and all that BS. Screw you Microsoft, it's my server I should be able to have as many users as I want on it especially when you wanted over 1k for the OS. Licensing alone is enough for me to always pick Linux when I have the choice.

As for stability and security, there's no denying MS has gotten better at that now compared to before, though.
 
^ +1

All my stuff at home and online is Linux and it's rock solid and anything I want to do is easy to do and does not require paying anything. In windows, even simple tasks like backing up a mail server requires to jump through hoops... and also buy something extra.
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Exactly, wanting to do anything even remotely simple on Windows can turn into quite the task, assuming it doesn't error-out to begin with.
 
Red Squirrel said:
Do they even make rackmount tablets? I don't see the point of a tablet OS for a server. :D



This. Though I've worked IT server support and sadly mostly everything in the business world is Windows based. I always found my experience better with Linux and in the business world there are plenty of situations where I wished I was working on Linux as the task at hand would be easier. All my stuff at home and online is Linux and it's rock solid and anything I want to do is easy to do and does not require paying anything. In windows, even simple tasks like backing up a mail server requires to jump through hoops... and also buy something extra. WTF, I already paid 1k+ for the OS now I have to pay more for some 3rd party software? Then there's Cals and all that BS. Screw you Microsoft, it's my server I should be able to have as many users as I want on it especially when you wanted over 1k for the OS. Licensing alone is enough for me to always pick Linux when I have the choice.

As for stability and security, there's no denying MS has gotten better at that now compared to before, though.
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I've seen the progress of your switch. You're one of the very few people are who actually patient enough with Linux and competent to read documentation in making the switch, getting comfortable, etc. There's of a huge deficiency of users like this.
 
nOrVow said:
I've seen the progress of your switch. You're one of the very few people are who actually patient enough with Linux and competent to read documentation in making the switch, getting comfortable, etc. There's of a huge deficiency of users like this.
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I've been using Linux for servers for a while now so that probably made my desktop switch a little easier as at least I'm familiar enough with where to look for stuff and what not.

I was actually surprised myself at how well it went. Though I'm still in the early stages, I have not tried to do anything like video editing yet but I know there's a few apps I can try out.
 
i wish i was an IT but man does cloud still scare the crap out of me...
the whole metro crap is quite sad :/
 
Wrench00 said:
Windows server loading the cloud sorry Ms but vmware has that title.
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If your view of the Cloud is constrained to just virtualization, then yeah, VMware is probably a better product than Hyper-V. It has a larger share of the market and though Hyper-V is gaining broad adoption, it's got a long way to go before it becomes commonplace. More broadly though, "the cloud" is being marketed as something more than just virtualized servers. It encompasses other network-centric services like server-based software and offsite data storage along with a host of other, previously independent technologies that have existed for a while without being lumped together under the latest marketing buzzword.

gabzor said:
i wish i was an IT but man does cloud still scare the crap out of me...
the whole metro crap is quite sad :/
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The field is saturated because, for years, people have been telling each other it was the place to be. That was true, because it was a growth industry and the requirements for education and qualification were few and far between since there weren't experienced people available to hire into a professional field. Anyone who had half a brain and knew a mouse from a modem could get a reasonable salary. IT is no longer a growth industry and there are a lot more people entering it then there are positions to fill. The job market now heavily favors the company with an open position and incomes have been stagnating or, worse yet, declining against not only inflation, but also as real dollar amounts. We're becoming cheap, mid-range knowledge labor except in a few fields that require a lot of experience in obscure aspects. I don't wish an IT job on anyone at the moment.
 
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