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windows Server 2008

I'd say the point is that 2K8 makes a fine workstation OS as it is, out of the box. Doesn't require tweaking but more accurately it requires some setup so it's more "workstation-like" than server. But as for tweaks - by definition I think we can all agree a 'tweak' is something designed to improve performance - it's good to go from the gitgo.

Vista, on the other hand... a beast of a different breed, and XP... well... the guy that just did the Q3 benchmarks didn't specify the version of Vista or 2K8 either: 32 bit, or 64 bit. That can have a big difference on things as well...
 
Joe Average said:
I'd say the point is that 2K8 makes a fine workstation OS as it is, out of the box. Doesn't require tweaking but more accurately it requires some setup so it's more "workstation-like" than server. But as for tweaks - by definition I think we can all agree a 'tweak' is something designed to improve performance - it's good to go from the gitgo.
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My apologies, I should have been more clear. By "tweaks" I was not referring to performance improvements in 2k8 but rather the various things one must do to make it the workstation users are intending for it to be. But the goal is the same, to bring 2k8 in line with Vista in terms of a workstation and bring Vista in line with 2k8 in terms of performance. It's at that point we should be benchmarking and comparing the two.
 
But that'll never happen, because they're not the same OS. ;) Sure you can do a lot towards turning Vista into 2K8, but why bother because in the long run you'll get close, but you'll never actually do it.
 
Joe Average said:
But that'll never happen, because they're not the same OS. ;) Sure you can do a lot towards turning Vista into 2K8, but why bother because in the long run you'll get close, but you'll never actually do it.
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Because once properly tweaked, the performance will be the same. The point is 2k8 is the same code base as Vista, the same kernel, they share alot in terms of file transfer. In fact I have yet to see anything specific to 2k8 that would make it faster than Vista as a workstation.

So a valid comparison between the two after Vista is properly tweaked would put this whole issue to bed.
 
I've done comparisons, a few dozen of 'em, and the results are always the same: 2K8 rules over Vista just as 2K3 rules over XP. The server versions are simply not the same OSes as the desktop/workstation counterparts. Someday people will come to understand this, and understand that a few Registry edits and radio-button choices simply won't turn the desktop-oriented OSes into the powerhouses the server OSes are.

But I digress as I'm still running XP x64, have been since almost day one when it appeared back in early 2003. Only reason I don't run 2K3 x64 is because I don't have a legit copy of it, that's the one OS I've never been able to acquire for "free" by attending seminars and conferences that Microsoft has all over the country. I just missed out on getting Server 2008 here in Vegas too - missed the deadline for registering for the event. :(

I could run the trial version, of course, but what's the point in the long run: XP x64 is 2K3 x64 with the themes turned on and a few other things. Big difference between Vista and 2008...
 
Joe Average said:
I've done comparisons, a few dozen of 'em, and the results are always the same: 2K8 rules over Vista just as 2K3 rules over XP. The server versions are simply not the same OSes as the desktop/workstation counterparts.
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2k3 is NOT XP. 2k3 has nothing in common with XP 32bit(which is what the vast majority have used). So that's not a fair comparison.

2k8 is Vista. Same code base, same kernel, same SMB 2.0, same memory management. Just optimized for it's intended purpose.
Again, once Vista is properly tweaked performance will be the same. Can you provide data of your "tests" as well as the tweaks/setup done on both server 2k8 and Vista to make them as comparable as possible? We know 2k8 is faster out of the box. The argument is that once 2k8 is setup as a workstation and that Vista is tweaked more like 2k8 performance is the same. Any tests not at these settings don't mean anything in relation to this argument.
 
They're spread over multiple postings here over the past few years, I guess at some point now that Vista SP1 is final, Server 2008 is final, Server 2003 SP2 is final, XP x64 SP2 is final, and XP SP3 is finally final, I could spend an afternoon redoing all the testing... but then again, this shit gets old.

I'll sum it up:

XP SP3 = the workhorse OS now in it's pretty much final form. Love it, leave it, your choice. The most popular OS Microsoft ever created and will stand the test of time for years to come. Excellent OS for gaming. Not quite on its last legs, as the case may be, but definitely being handed its hat by Microsoft as the saying goes.

XP x64 = as some call it "The red-headed stepchild of Microsoft OSes." The hero OS to a lot of us, x64 done the right way. Codebase from Server 2003 x64, superior in almost all ways. Fast as hell on the right hardware, lean and mean in terms of resources. Widely supported now with hardware drivers, wasn't the case when it was introduced in 2003.

Server 2003 x86/x64 = the king of Microsoft OSes, bar none. The fastest meanest damned OS ever to come out of Redmond, in both 32 and 64 bit flavors. Leaner and slightly faster in x64 form than XP x64 is due to less being enabled by default and tuned for better multitasking performance.

Vista (any edition, x86 or x64) = A bit bloated, even in SP1 state. Accused of being a RAM hog which is utter bullshit. You paid good money for gigs of RAM that typically don't ever get used with older OSes (XP, being the prime candidate), and now that an OS does use it and uses it the right way, people still bitch. Whiners... can't please everyone I guess. Can be pretty damned snappy and quick on the right hardware (new stuff, what it was designed for, not the old stuff people still try to gut it out with vLite and run it on), ReadyBoost helps out on low RAM systems (but dammit, you shouldn't be running Vista on those in the first place, really). 1GB is the bare minimum RAM for making it useful, 2GB is where Vista (any edition) really starts to fly. Gaming, bleh. I could care less, but people use them as indicators of performance, so whatever. DX10 support, much to the chagrin of XP users. Life moves on, kids, deal with it.

Server 2008 (any edition, x86 or x64) = could this dethrone Server 2003 as the Microsoft OS to use? It's possible, but only time will tell. Bloated? Yes. Fast? Damned skippy. Worth checking out with the free trial edition from Microsoft? You bet your ass it is, sonny. See what all the fuss is about. I mean, even a Microsoft lackey published how kickass it is for a workstation OS when properly configured - and his blog is even hosted on Microsoft's own hosting. If that's not a nod in the right direction, I don't know what is. Fast, mean, quick, snappy, ridiculously fast... did I say it was fast? Pretty sure I did... gaming, bleh... faster than Vista (any edition) once it's properly configured for such things and using the latest drivers. Shares a codebase with Vista SP1 now because they finally came to their senses and gave Vista the kick in the ass it so desparately needed - meaning it now has the Server 2008 kernel beating inside (and not the other way around).

Oh, and Hyper-V support on Server 2008 x64... mucho ass kicking going on...

Can't we all just get along? :)
 
You sound like the marketing type. :] Sure we could get along over a beer or something.

Here are new benchmarks. All tested OSes are 32-bit versions.

[OS]: [demo001] / [demo002]
default Server 2008: 238.2 / 234.5
default Vista SP1: 235.6 / 232.1
tweaked Server 2008: 241.5 / 238.4
vLited Vista SP1: 243.3 / 239.1
 
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