Windows Server 2003 - Gaming Experience!

Aryiam

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Greetings.

It is clear that there are some people (and their number is not small at all) that are running Windows Server 2003 at work, and even at home, for some reasons that don't need to be explained.

But what happens when those people want to play? They don't need a reason, it's in our nature to want something like this at some point. Well, most of them get stuck, but I'll show here tutorial that can help your Win2k3 operating system to work with games and other multimedia programs as well. (I guess I have to point that it won't reach Windows XP's performance, but is better than having nothing)

Of course, maybe in some applications will run faster, but no tests and benchmarks were done, so I guess this will remain unanswered for a while. (I had a score of 6891 in 3DMark 2003, with a Leadtek 6600GT under Win2k3)

And besides, at some point, it sure is fun to do such a thing, isn't it? ;)

Here >> http://www.msfn.org/win2k3/index.htm << you can also find some usefull tips, but most of them are just a matter of taste. I mean, maybe not all want to disable some things etc.
Though, it's a site that has to be visited.

If a moderator will agree, this can be made sticky. Anyway, let's begin ...

First of all, I use the Enterprise Edition of Windows Server 2003, but the others only differs with a few services. Of course, it's more than recommanded to format your partition where you want to install it (in NTFS), this for not having any further problems.
After the instalation, which can be done by anyone (nothing hard in it), the first step is to move the hardware acceleration slider to maximum. I guess everyone knows where that can be found (if you don't >> right click on the desktop >> Properties >> Settings >> Advanced >> Troubleshoot. And here you select full hardware acceleration). After, go to "Sounds and Audio Devices" from Control Panel, and again, turn on sound acceleration.

All good and nice, now start installing the necessary drivers, like the lastest DirectX version and the MB drivers (the xp version of the drivers should work without a problem). As for the video card's drivers, here's a little more complicated.

ATI - Viva for ATI, who made drivers specially for Windows 2003. The latest ATI Catalyst will automatically detect your os and install the drivers for Win2k3. I can guarantee you that you won't have any problems with it. I had an ATI Radeon 9000 PRO for more than a year, running Windows 2003 on it, and I've encountered no problems.

nVidia - I more than recommand to have the latest drivers from nvidia.com for the 64 bits operating systems. Install them normally and then restart your computer. It's more than likely that after this your card won't be recognized, so you'll have to install it manually after. Simply go to "System Properties" >> Hardware >> Device Manager. And there select the properties of what display adapter is shown there. Select update driver, and select to update it "manually", after select "have disk" and go to the folder where the kit for the drivers is located. You'll find the proper needed files in there. If not, it will 100% work installing manually the drivers from the driver's cd of your video card (It will work with the xp ones). But, remember, before doing this make sure you have installed the latest drivers from nvidia.com for 64 bits operating systems.

As for the OMEGA drivers, let's say I don't recommand them ... (though, on ATI they work perfectly, the only problem is with newer video cards from nVidia, that are not recognized. An update will be out soon for them.)

After this, you can easily install the remaining drivers for what components you may have, like sound cards. Again, the xp drivers works perfectly.

One of the major problem of the Win2k3 os, is that old dos applications, or old 16 bits ones simply don't work under it. This can easily be solved replacing the AUTOEXEC.NT file from \Windows\System32.
* I will update tomorrow this thread with a link from where to download it, I have to upload it somewhere first *

The 2nd main problem of Windows 2003, is that there are games/programs that cannot be installed under it, because they show a nice "Operating System Not Supported" error at the beginning, and then the installer closes.
Nothing more simple to remove this ... ;)

What you need to do, is to modify the .msi files from the cd where the installer is located (mainly CD1 for most games/programs).
I'll give you an example for a specific game, this would be Vampire the Masquerade - Bloodlines.
Here it is:

1 - Copy over the contents of CD1 to a folder on your HDD, on a folder let's say Vampire Bloodlines.
2 - You have to create a .vbs file with a specific code in it. I'll upload it tomorrow and give you a direct download link for such a file (it works with every game/program).
Anyway, simply create a .txt file, insert the code I'll paste in here, and then save it to a .vbs ... let's say Win2k3.vbs

Option Explicit

Const msiOpenDatabaseModeReadOnly = 0
Const msiOpenDatabaseModeTransact = 1

' Scan arguments for valid SQL keyword and to determine if any update operations
Dim openMode : openMode = msiOpenDatabaseModeReadOnly
openMode = msiOpenDatabaseModeTransact

' Connect to Windows installer object
Dim installer : Set installer = Nothing
Set installer = Wscript.CreateObject("WindowsInstaller.Installer") : CheckError

' Open database
Dim databasePath:databasePath = Wscript.Arguments(0)
Dim database : Set database = installer.OpenDatabase(databasePath, openMode) : CheckError

' Process SQL statements and delete the crap out of this installer!
Dim query, view, record, message, rowData, columnCount, delim, column
Set view = database.OpenView("Delete from LaunchCondition") : CheckError
view.Execute
wscript.echo "Launch Conditions Removed"
Set view = database.OpenView("Delete from InstallExecuteSequence where Action='OnCheckSilentInstall'")
view.Execute
wscript.echo "OnCheckSilentInstall step removed"
Set view = database.OpenView("Delete from Property where Property = 'ISSETUPDRIVEN'")
view.Execute
wscript.echo "Property ISSETUPDRIVEN removed"
Set view = database.OpenView("INSERT INTO Property (Property,Value) VALUES ('ISSETUPDRIVEN',1)")
view.Execute
wscript.echo "Property ISSETUPDRIVEN added"
database.Commit
Wscript.Quit 0

Sub CheckError
Dim message, errRec
If Err = 0 Then Exit Sub
message = Err.Source & " " & Hex(Err) & ": " & Err.Description
If Not installer Is Nothing Then
Set errRec = installer.LastErrorRecord
If Not errRec Is Nothing Then message = message & vbLf & errRec.FormatText
End If
Fail message
End Sub


3 - Drag the "Vampire - The Masquerade Bloodlines.msi" to "Win2k3.vbs"
... and voila :)

It may give an error during the installation, and you have to copy CD2 and CD3 to that folder as well, and just click retry.

I'll update this thread tomorrow with further information. Also, if you have something to tell, just post in here.

Thanks,
Antonio Stefan.
 
Sorry to burst your bubble, but this has been addressed (just a few days ago!). To make 2K3 an effective gaming platform, you have to tweak it until it resembles XP. XP's stability is not a concern -- for that matter, if we use XP drivers on 2K3 as you suggest, we're compromising 2K3's stability. XP doesn't have to circumvent unsupported OS issues. XP does not start configured and optimized for background services (a point you don't address in your "guide"). There are a host of other invalid points and assumptions you try to argue with.

Furthermore, the vast majority of people do not have easy access to legal copies of 2K3. It's just too expensive. It's certain that people don't have the cash to turn 2K3 Enterprise into a gaming OS for fun.

So, don't get your hopes up about the sticky, or making any sort of revolutionary OS setup splash.
 
Why go through all that work to get 2003 to work for gaming. Does 2003 benchmark any faster than XP as far as gaming is concerned? Do you notice any difference playing games in 2003 over XP?
 
Woah, hold on, just wait and listen to what the man has to say...he's not even done yet, jeez.
 
so you want to use something ment for servers for gaming?

Thats like taking a tractor and then using it as a day-to-day run-around
 
Reason why using 2k3 server for gaming is not recommended:

1) XP is as stable as 2k3 server.

2) 2k3 server is really expensive

3) Most games are made to wokr on the xp, 2000 kernel. 2k3 kernel is a tad different (not much i agree) but a tad different. And as someone already said, using xp drivers on 2k3 server will effectively make the OS unstable.


Im not saying though, that you cant game on 2k3. A friend of mine hosts his blog (www.foxcorp.org ---> spanish written blog) from his house and likes to use 2k3 server. He also games in his house...

But for most of us, actually getting 2k3 to game is not a good move.
 
lesman said:
Woah, hold on, just wait and listen to what the man has to say...he's not even done yet, jeez.
We could also listen to a flat-earth proponent go on for multiple posts before telling him "sorry, but that's wrong" -- it won't make him any more right. The premier Windows gaming OS is and will continue to be XP, at least until Longhorn.

I'll admit -- I was hasty in assuming the OP doesn't have a legit copy of 2K3. I still think I'm right, though.
 
I'm liable for a free 2003 (standard) license, and hell, why not? I like tweaking. I like overengineered systems with options for doing things I won't really need until I get another few hundred computers or so under my roof. And I really like using OSes for things they're not really intended for, especially if it works fine. [1]
Being able to tinker with and learn 2003 without having to dualboot XP to game isn't a bad thing either.

There are good points above, but please, I want this information.
Or, to be really curt: Could you all be so kind as to shut ut and let the thread starter continue handing out useful and interesting information?

[1] Now, to get OpenVMS on this PWS...
 
lomn75 said:
We could also listen to a flat-earth proponent go on for multiple posts before telling him "sorry, but that's wrong" -- it won't make him any more right. The premier Windows gaming OS is and will continue to be XP, at least until Longhorn.

I'll admit -- I was hasty in assuming the OP doesn't have a legit copy of 2K3. I still think I'm right, though.
Yeah, you've got points, you all do, and I surely agree with a lot of them, but I am interested in what the man has to say. Before he's even done, everyone went against him, which will probably discourage him from continuing. Hopefully not.
 
lomn75 said:
but this has been addressed (just a few days ago!). To make 2K3 an effective gaming platform, you have to tweak it until it resembles XP.
If you follow this link, the thread there actually does cover most of the steps to turn 2k3 into a gaming os. And yes, basically you would be looking at xp by the time you are done tweaking... (i stole the last sentence from djnes)
 
I think it is a good idea, I am going to toy with this and possibly dual boot 2k3 with xp to see which I like better. The reason why 2k3 would be the best choice is because since as all of you have stated it is a server os it isnt blogged down by all the pretty little visuals and crap that XP is plagued with. Granted XP is stable after tweaked to hell with XP-Antispy, mozilla, a antivirus and such I think 2k3 out of box would be a better idea. The only major issue/difference that may happen is drivers which the poster already stated what is needed to be done. Although 2k3 may be expensive to some others it is freely available, however its attained its attained and i don't oppose anyone having it. I am very intrigued by the poster and hope he continues to state his theory, argument, and testing.

Sincerely,

brandon
 
Well, I have to confess that one of the reasons I like 2003 is that it just felt more serious. I mean, it defaults to showing file extensions, in list view. That little detail shows an atitude I'm much more comfortable with than XP. (It's utterly uninteresting that you can make XP do the same with a few clicks. It's a symptome, not a reason in itself.)

And just to ward things off, i still think XP is a more suitable OS for most (perhaps all) normal users. I just happen to not care. :D
 
HHunt said:
Well, I have to confess that one of the reasons I like 2003 is that it just felt more serious. I mean, it defaults to showing file extensions, in list view. That little detail shows an atitude I'm much more comfortable with than XP. (It's utterly uninteresting that you can make XP do the same with a few clicks. It's a symptome, not a reason in itself.)

And just to ward things off, i still think XP is a more suitable OS for most (perhaps all) normal users. I just happen to not care. :D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I get the idea that you're using Win2k3 as your primary OS, if so how do you like it and would you suggest that over XP use. I basically game often and surf the web thats about it. I have access to Win2k3 without a problem so I'm just wondering for personal use. I know someone is going to reply to me saying O ITS A SERVER OS BLAH BLAH BLAH, but it being a service OS would make me more inclined to use it for stability and security reasons.
 
If you want to run a server OS, that's fine. However, I'll address some further misconceptions that are appearing:

2K3 is not inherently more secure than XP. Security is a mindset and proactive prevention.
2K3 is not inherently more stable than XP. Windows has not had inherent stability problems since 2K.
XP preventing the average user from renaming file.doc to file is not a "symptom" of anything but preventative tech support on MS's part. Besides, it's just a check box.
XP Themes: switch them off if you don't like them. It's not hard.

2K3 has a distinct advantage over XP in one area: server tasks.

Again referencing the thread I linked earlier: If you have access to 2K3, use it. Educate yourself. Just don't expect to suddenly replace and improve on XP for 95%+ of home / soho use.
 
Whatsisname said:
You paid for your copy of Win2k3 Server did you not? :rolleyes:

Yes of course :rollseyes: You mean there is a way to get it free? I doubt that nothing is free!

Iomn75 you make a good point and I understand that completely, but some things deserve to be tested and used to see which is liked more. I'm going to vmware 2k3 for a few to test it out on the surface and then maybe dual boot.
 
lesman said:
Woah, hold on, just wait and listen to what the man has to say...he's not even done yet, jeez.


what position does he hold which he can verify in which I should trust him with his vb scripts or his advice at all?

2003 Server is .... It says server for a reason, cause it's meant for server.

2003 Server is just an extension of the "Whistler" project of which XP was. there is no difference between the two except 2003 Server is meant for server, and not for gaming or desktop use.
 
Whatsisname said:
You paid for your copy of Win2k3 Server did you not? :rolleyes:

many of us have access to Windows 2003 Server legally. I have access to some programs that cost $100,000 per license, I have access to over $20,000 in MS products, etc..

we don't need the forum police asking and verifying everyone one of our copies.. That's what Microsoft is for :rolleyes:
 
Yes true indeed, there are many who have access to operating systems meant for servers. I had mine from mistake, because a friend received a few licenses for Win2k3 for he company, and he insisted in giving me one, to test the system. Of course, I was sceptical in the beginning, but now I am really fond of this system ;)

I have to mention that even I use at my company (err yea, despite my age I do have a games company :p ...) a few computers running Win2k3, that of course acts like servers, ah and Maya works best only on Win2k3 'eh

To make it clear, I made this thread (Sorry, i didn't know that other thread existed, though I've checked it and all the info is spread in all over the thread. I guess you realised I've tried in here to make it easy to be seen) for people who already have Windows 2003, or for people who use it from certain reasons. I didn't say "go right now and buy one!", because I know they are expensive. Though, if you have them, and you don't want to buy a WinXP license, like me for example, if I already have Win2k3, and I can use it for gaming as well, why buying WinXP?

I can guarantee you that there are many people that are using server operating system from simple reasons, even at home, and if they can play, why wouldn't they?

Also, Windows 2003 is an os that has those "small things", that for many maybe they doesn't matter, but for many, and as for others as well, yes they sure do ...
And like some of you said, yep indeed it sure gives you that "pro" air ...

Anyway, it's the way I am, I am not stopping because some of the people don't like this idea or stuff like these. I started the thread, I'll end the thread.
So, I'll update it constantly from now on ...

I have some trouble with finding a place to host the files, can anyone help? If yes, please PM me or contact me via a messenger/email.

Thanks,
Antonio.

PS - From what I've posted you can easily install the system, so I guess it's good for now.

* Posted by Stang Man
"what position does he hold which he can verify in which I should trust him with his vb scripts or his advice at all?"

What position does a seller hold that you can trust him? You are free to try it, I didn't force you or something ...

* Posted by eeyrjmr
"so you want to use something ment for servers for gaming? Thats like taking a tractor and then using it as a day-to-day run-around"
Actually, you are very wrong. I use it for gaming as well, and believe me, I didn't encounter any problems until now.
 
lomn75 said:
XP preventing the average user from renaming file.doc to file is not a "symptom" of anything but preventative tech support on MS's part. Besides, it's just a check box.

Well, it's a symptom that they've chosen the settings that will prevent most users from creating problems for themselves.
 
Why is this still being debated. In order to make 2K3 act more like a gaming platform, you have to make it resemble XP. Even the tweak guides explain that. So why the hell not just use XP if your going to be gaming? 95% of the two OSes are identical. The parts that differ in 2K3 are the parts you have to change to make it ok for gaming.

Did common sense become barred from this thread or what? If you buy a house, then try to make a mobile home by sticking wheels on it....why not just buy a mobile home in the first place?

Add my vote for a thread lock.
 
Djnes, my dear friend, I strongly suggest you reading my reply in here. Your post is inappropriate and I suggest you to edit it, or never post in here.
Or god knows, maybe some people just can't understand other's words o_O

Anyway, as for http://www.msfn.org/win2k3/index.htm ...
Yep indeed it covers some points, though it also covers some useless things, and I kinda don't agree with many things in that tutorial, like the shutdown tracker, the IE Enhanced Security etc.
Hmm, still no one to help with hosting some files for Win2k3 for others to download? :(

* EDIT *

Ah, and if you're just too lazy to read it, I'll tell you - it's for people who already have Windows 2003 for some reasons ... :p
Also, it's not a debate, it's a tutorial ...
 
Aryiam said:
Djnes, my dear friend, I strongly suggest you reading my reply in here. Your post is inappropriate and I suggest you to edit it, or never post in here.
Or god knows, maybe some people just can't understand other's words o_O

Anyway, as for http://www.msfn.org/win2k3/index.htm ...
Yep indeed it covers some points, though it also covers some useless things, and I kinda don't agree with many things in that tutorial, like the shutdown tracker, the IE Enhanced Security etc.
Hmm, still no one to help with hosting some files for Win2k3 for others to download? :(

* EDIT *

Ah, and if you're just too lazy to read it, I'll tell you - it's for people who already have Windows 2003 for some reasons ... :p
Also, it's not a debate, it's a tutorial ...

Let's get one thing straight here. You've got no ground to come in here and start firing back at other people. Post some useful information, and help people with some problems if you want to earn respect here. Second, I read your posts, and it's ludicrous to even do this. I have a legal copy of 2003 Server, and this is still not for me.

If you had an ounce of understanding of why there's an XP and a Server 2003, you'd understand why this is a stupid idea. As mentioned by several of us here, and the conclusions made in the other thread (that YOU were too lazy to find), this is a absolute waste of time, since all your doing is tweaking back to XP. Very very few people have access to 2K3 server compared to XP, so again, what's the point.

Oh, furthermore, before you continue your cockiness, your copy of Server 2003 is illegal, and I suggested you edit your posts before a mod sends some lockage your way. That's further proof you dno't understand operating systems.
 
Firing back at people? I did not said something against you, nor arguing with you. I just supported my thoughts. You are the one who "jumped to my neck", not me. I have nothing against you, so I kinda suggest you to feel the same. Your behavior is kinda aggresive ...

And for some people, maybe this information is usefull. Yes, I am not in the place to decide this, though ... nor you. And from what I've seen, there were people interested in this.

What maybe you do not understand, is that some people work with Windows Server 2003, and I mean work ... at their work place. And if they are not allowed to use XP, they can easily turn their current operating system in one that at leasts gives them those features. Also, from same reasons others use it at home.
Also, I am using Windows 2003 for some reasons, and first of all being Maya, which I use for the company. And since I am doing this, why not making it good for games as well?
I mean, come on ... yes, few people (compared to xp users) have access to this kind of os, so what? This is for them ...

As for the thing I have no clue about operating system 'eh ... I may be young, but I've worked more than you think near such os, like Win2k3.

About that other thread, I wasn't here when it was posted.

In the end, please stop your aggresive behavior, which I still think are inappropriate, and for the ones who care for this, let me update the thread in peace. Do not forget that each people opinion is different.
Again, I have nothing against you. What I want is not turning this thread in a "you" vs "me" one. ok? That was not my intention when I posted here. It was just what you said ... "trying to help people".
Thanks.
 
Aryiam said:
Firing back at people? I did not said something against you, nor arguing with you. I just supported my thoughts. You are the one who "jumped to my neck", not me. I have nothing against you, so I kinda suggest you to feel the same. Your behavior is kinda aggresive ...

And for some people, maybe this information is usefull. Yes, I am not in the place to decide this, though ... nor you. And from what I've seen, there were people interested in this.

What maybe you do not understand, is that some people work with Windows Server 2003, and I mean work ... at their work place. And if they are not allowed to use XP, they can easily turn their current operating system in one that at leasts gives them those features. Also, from same reasons others use it at home.
Also, I am using Windows 2003 for some reasons, and first of all being Maya, which I use for the company. And since I am doing this, why not making it good for games as well?
I mean, come on ... yes, few people (compared to xp users) have access to this kind of os, so what? This is for them ...

As for the thing I have no clue about operating system 'eh ... I may be young, but I've worked more than you think near such os, like Win2k3.

About that other thread, I wasn't here when it was posted.

In the end, please stop your aggresive behavior, which I still think are inappropriate, and for the ones who care for this, let me update the thread in peace. Do not forget that each people opinion is different.
Again, I have nothing against you. What I want is not turning this thread in a "you" vs "me" one. ok? That was not my intention when I posted here. It was just what you said ... "trying to help people".
Thanks.

You absolutely said inflammatory things against me. Maybe your english isn't that great, I don't know...but you certainly did cop an attitude with me in your first reply. I'm not sure how can reply telling me to get out of your thread and the rest of your comments, and then try to act innocent. Your people skills are severely lacking.

Also, it's rather ignoarant to assume I have no knowledge of a server OS and talk to me like a child (some people, whether you know it or not, use Server 2003 for work...at work). Guess what, sunshine, I am one of those people. I maintain my own file server, and assist in rolling it out to many other companies. I'm quite aware of what 2003 Server is intended for, and gaming is not one of them. I maintain my original point, along with many others in both threads, that's a stupid, pointless waste of time to make Server 2003 act more like XP, when you should be using XP instead.

The one thing I can't stand is a person who flames another, and than acts surprised when the comments are pointed back at them.
 
Aryiam said:
Firing back at people? I did not said something against you, nor arguing with you. I just supported my thoughts. You are the one who "jumped to my neck", not me. I have nothing against you, so I kinda suggest you to feel the same. Your behavior is kinda aggresive ...

And for some people, maybe this information is usefull. Yes, I am not in the place to decide this, though ... nor you. And from what I've seen, there were people interested in this.

What maybe you do not understand, is that some people work with Windows Server 2003, and I mean work ... at their work place. And if they are not allowed to use XP, they can easily turn their current operating system in one that at leasts gives them those features. Also, from same reasons others use it at home.
Also, I am using Windows 2003 for some reasons, and first of all being Maya, which I use for the company. And since I am doing this, why not making it good for games as well?
I mean, come on ... yes, few people (compared to xp users) have access to this kind of os, so what? This is for them ...

As for the thing I have no clue about operating system 'eh ... I may be young, but I've worked more than you think near such os, like Win2k3.

About that other thread, I wasn't here when it was posted.

In the end, please stop your aggresive behavior, which I still think are inappropriate, and for the ones who care for this, let me update the thread in peace. Do not forget that each people opinion is different.
Again, I have nothing against you. What I want is not turning this thread in a "you" vs "me" one. ok? That was not my intention when I posted here. It was just what you said ... "trying to help people".
Thanks.

Give it a rest n00b. There is nothing people hate more than a brand new poster coming on here and trying to argue what already has been argued on. Win2k3 has it's purpose, and it's not gaming. It's a great OS for what it's intended for, serving. Why would someone spend about 5 times more to get a copy of a server OS when XP will do the exact same job for the typical home user?
 
i use 2k3 server for my game/file/web/print/media server in our dorm and it works great, but i think i will stick to xp for gaming, reason being, it takes no different configuration and it is what games are ment to run on.
 
Why do people have to go and attack just because we don't have the title [H]ard|Gawd or whatever?

I am on the side why make 2K3 look like XP when you can buy XP, but if people have access to a copy cheap (school, etc) then this info might be useful to them as they might want to try to learn on the machine they game on. While the ideal situation is that you get 2K3 and put it on a seperate machine to learn some don't have that luxury.

I reiterate it is pointless to go purchase 2K3 to make it run like XP, especially since 2K3 is much more expensive. You don't get any benefits from 2K3 except learning experience.

Good Luck Aryiam! I have been accussed of misinformation that has turned out to be correct, but until your title reads something other than noob / Limp Gawd etc you probably don't have a chance with some of the people in the forums.
 
sandmanx said:
Give it a rest n00b. There is nothing people hate more than a brand new poster coming on here and trying to argue what already has been argued on. Win2k3 has it's purpose, and it's not gaming. It's a great OS for what it's intended for, serving. Why would someone spend about 5 times more to get a copy of a server OS when XP will do the exact same job for the typical home user?

That's exactly the points I was trying to make.

It's not about him being a noob. It's when someone makes a ridiculous point, then tries to defend it like it's breaking news to everyone else, and finally proceeds to get an attitude with people who disagree. When you see a poster do this, and then you see their a noob, you realize it's big dog little dog syndrome. I don't judge a person simply because they're title is a noob. If you look around, you'll plenty of "noobs" answering questions, and generally contributing to the forums. It's this guys attitude, lack of people skills, and ridiculous, reposted topic that is angering people. Not his title.
 
KevinO said:
Why do people have to go and attack just because we don't have the title [H]ard|Gawd or whatever?
It's not the inherent title (though that tends to follow). It's "what have you done to benefit the forum." djnes is well aware of most of the people in OS who post consistently well-thought and useful info, and he's likewise aware of the people who enter expecting to be God's Gift to Computing. I have a hard time blaming him for taking different approaches with the two.

As for title... the latter category usually has an early title. By no means are all the Gawd+ titles in the former catergory, though.
 
Actually no djnes, I didn't said anything against you. Maybe it was the way you interpretated it don't know ... Like I said, I have nothing against you, and more than sure I don't have a reason to have. Err, it's just a simple fact that you have to understand o_O

Also, don't know ... maybe we aren't on the same wave. I mean, I say something, though ... some people just keep it their way. Sandmanx, tell me, do you at least have any idea what a n00b means? Trust me, you don't.
I mean, come on ...
* points to - "Win2k3 has it's purpose, and it's not gaming. It's a great OS for what it's intended for, serving. Why would someone spend about 5 times more to get a copy of a server OS when XP will do the exact same job for the typical home user?"

In the last posts I explained that this is not an order, for everyone go to and buy Win2k3. Why can't you just understand?

And again (...) this is not an argue. I've just posted some things that will help some people. Just that. Don't like it? Ignore it, it's not hard. Just take a look, the last 6 posts were just flames, direct attacks rather then things related to why this thread exists here.

Also, Sandmax, maybe some day you'll find out that time is relative, and being here for some time, doesn't give you the right to act the way you are. I myself am a member of some communities, but I don't think I treat people like that ...

Don't know ... just 'eh ... stay on topic.

* EDIT *

Actually, I've just posted some tips and tricks, no breakings news or things like this. And what you consider about me, it's your personal opinion.
And never argue about the "people skills" of someone you do not know, you'll be surprised of what I actually work as :)

Also, you're fighting for something which I still think is useless. You are against turning Win2k3 into XP, and that is better to buy XP instead from the beginning. I don't know when I did not agree with that. I've just said something for the ones who are "doomed/blessed (you can choose the word you want)" with Windows 2003, but they also want to play on it.
I am well aware that Windows Server 2003 >> for serving ... and that WinXP is for games/multimedia. Even myself have on the bedroom computer WinXP.
Like I said, it's just like we're not on the same lane ... o_O
 
No, it wasn't my err...Interpretation...it was errr...the way you typed it. Sandmanx has been around a while...I am quite sure he knows what a noob is.

Do you really expect anyone to take you seriously, when all your doing here is telling more knowledgeable people they are wrong because they don't agree with you? Is it possible *gasps* you are wrong, and many others are right?

As Iomn75 stated, don't come in here thinking your God's gift to computing. There's something to learn on here, if you last. When you cop an attitude with people and continue to put them down to cover your own ass, your opening the door to flames in return. Don't act surprised that your pissing these people off. You created a mostly worthless post, took an air of superiority, and then argue with anyone who disagrees. Don't act shocked..you have no one to blame but yourself for the reaction these people are giving you.
 
The way I type may be intepreted in different ways, I can think at something when I write, and you can take it in a different way. That's the difference between speaking in real life, face to face, and in here.
Showing superiority? I am sorry, don't take it personally, but you are the one doing this, with your replies. I have never acted like that, and the only reason I came to this boards, was to learn. Yes, indeed I do not know many things, but I came to learn. Also, I don't know where I pretended to be "God's gift to computing"
No one is perfect, no one knows them all. Not even you.
I'll stop replying to some of your posts, because the only thing is done, is to tear apart a thread (yes, that you consider idiotic, but many can consider it otherwise) ...

So, "kiss and make up"? I did not come here to make "enemies" ...
I can give you the game we'll launch for free :p
 
Aryiam said:
Actually no djnes, I didn't said anything against you. Maybe it was the way you interpretated it don't know ... Like I said, I have nothing against you, and more than sure I don't have a reason to have. Err, it's just a simple fact that you have to understand o_O

Also, don't know ... maybe we aren't on the same wave. I mean, I say something, though ... some people just keep it their way. Sandmanx, tell me, do you at least have any idea what a n00b means? Trust me, you don't.
I mean, come on ...
* points to - "Win2k3 has it's purpose, and it's not gaming. It's a great OS for what it's intended for, serving. Why would someone spend about 5 times more to get a copy of a server OS when XP will do the exact same job for the typical home user?"

In the last posts I explained that this is not an order, for everyone go to and buy Win2k3. Why can't you just understand?

And again (...) this is not an argue. I've just posted some things that will help some people. Just that. Don't like it? Ignore it, it's not hard. Just take a look, the last 6 posts were just flames, direct attacks rather then things related to why this thread exists here.

Also, Sandmax, maybe some day you'll find out that time is relative, and being here for some time, doesn't give you the right to act the way you are. I myself am a member of some communities, but I don't think I treat people like that ...

Don't know ... just 'eh ... stay on topic.


Yes, I know what a n00b is you fool. I was just making the point that you are arguing something that's been discussed several times in here. I don't think my lonegevity here makes me any smarter than the next person. However, people who have been here for a longer time, GENERALLY know that threads like this are pointless. It takes time to learn the flow of this forum.

Anyways, I have been a system admin for the past 5 years and admin several machines, including 2000 server and 2003 server machines, and I'm well aware of how to use them. It's silly to use 2003 as a gaming OS when XP is so much cheaper and does the job without having to hack .msi files and using drivers not made for the OS. There is no reason to use a Server OS as a desktop OS that will play games. If you do need 2003 for a machine at work(maybe for ram requirements), then you shouldn't be gaming on the machine. Also consider that 99.9% of people have to pay for their OS.

Anyways, go on and waste your time arguing the same thing that's been argued on here for months.
 
Let me repeat my points from earlier: I have a free 2003 server license. I want to use it to learn it, and if I can do so without having to dualboot to game, it's worth the extra tinkering for me. I like thinkering. If this irritates you so much, then don't read this thread.
djnes, sandmax: You are closer to threadcrapping than contributing, and I want to hear what he has to say. Ok?

Remember, you do not have to read this thread if you don't find it useful. The general aggresiveness you're showing is definitely not "the flow of the forum".
 
Aryiam said:
...You are against turning Win2k3 into XP, and that is better to buy XP instead from the beginning. I don't know when I did not agree with that. I've just said something for the ones who are "doomed/blessed (you can choose the word you want)" with Windows 2003, but they also want to play on it.
I am well aware that Windows Server 2003 >> for serving ... and that WinXP is for games/multimedia....
What happened to the original post of "blowing away Windows XP"? This is the sort of stuff we (or at least I) take issue with. Had you simply said "here's how to play games on 2K3" I might have linked the earlier thread for reference and then moved on.

However, your OP is "OMG why are you still using XP?!? XP sucks! Sticky me, because this is revolutionary!" That's my summary of statements like:
[people think 2K3] isn't as good as Windows XP for playing games.... This is in fact, false.

[what XP is not]: it's fast ... it's stable ... it's secure.

this can be made sticky
Now, one, those are false statements, and two, they're arrogant. Those statements, plus your unwillingness to back down or now acknowledge them, are the reason you're not getting a happy response. Not the core info (which is potentially useful if someone wants to tweak 2K3) -- the attitude.

//edit: finally, for those interested in these tweaks, it's worth noting what the OP said elsewhere:
Aryiam said:
Don't ask why, but I've chosen to reinstall the os (Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition) after some minor problems with the drivers.
Remember what I said about non-standard drivers and stability?
 
lomn75 said:
Aryiam said:
...You are against turning Win2k3 into XP, and that is better to buy XP instead from the beginning. I don't know when I did not agree with that. I've just said something for the ones who are "doomed/blessed (you can choose the word you want)" with Windows 2003, but they also want to play on it.
I am well aware that Windows Server 2003 >> for serving ... and that WinXP is for games/multimedia....
What happened to the original post of "blowing away Windows XP"? This is the sort of stuff we (or at least I) take issue with. Had you simply said "here's how to play games on 2K3" I might have linked the earlier thread for reference and then moved on.

However, your OP is "OMG why are you still using XP?!? XP sucks! Sticky me, because this is revolutionary!" That's my summary of statements like:

[people think 2K3] isn't as good as Windows XP for playing games.... This is in fact, false.

[what XP is not]: it's fast ... it's stable ... it's secure.

this can be made sticky

Now, one, those are false statements, and two, they're arrogant. Those statements, plus your unwillingness to back down or now acknowledge them, are the reason you're not getting a happy response. Not the core info (which is potentially useful if someone wants to tweak 2K3) -- the attitude.

The only thing I want from you, is please do not turn my words "upside down". That is what you understood. Though, free world, you can post your opinion, but in such cases (like this one), is better to keep it for yourself.

I have never said "go go go buy Win2k3, forget about WinXP" etc. And if you understood only those things, it's sad :(

And the way I used my words in the first thread, is a marketing/promoting method, I'll now oficially say I am sorry for that, but I am used in using it all the time. I am sorry ...
Maybe it was better not apologize, but I did. Maybe now you'll feel better.

And about those drivers, yes I did have some minor problems, with using nVidia video cards. But check the 1st post in here, and you'll see I managed to make it work. That's why we live, to learn ...
 
So, aside from the pissing contest I still don't see *why* I should do this, just that I can.

I can ride a bike too, but it's not going to give me any more FPS out of a game, or make my system more stable, secure, easier to use, etc.

Aryiam said:
When you say Windows 2003, you can easily say something that others don't have: it's fast ... it's stable ... it's secure.
How do you quantify this statement?
 
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