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Windows Phone Is Dead

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Microsoft’s latest earnings report suggests that Windows Phone is over. Lumia devices have sold less than half of what was sold in the same period last year.

Microsoft and Nokia have sold a total of 110 million Windows Phones compared to 4.5 billion iOS and Android phones in the same period. IDC recently reported that 400 million phones were sold in the recent quarter, meaning just 1.1 percent of them were Lumia Windows Phones. Microsoft does not have any compelling Lumia handsets, and the Lumia 950 and Lumia 950 XL were both disappointing flagship devices with unfinished Windows 10 Mobile software.
 
Not surprising, Windows 10 mobile is taking too long to release, not saying this will save the current state of Windows mobile, but the Universal App concept does sound promising for developers.
 
As a phone, internet/email device the Lumina was actually a pretty good phone, with a good OS. It had all of the major social media, and media consumption apps most people seem to use. It is just that MS ignored this segment when they could have owned it back b4 the blackberry and iphone hit the market, and they continued to ignore that segment until BB, iOS and Android were so deeply entrenched that breaking back into this market was near impossible. I know BB is pretty much dead too, but MS could have had the professional market that loved the BB if it had not dropped the ball so badly.

I wonder if they will let it die, or if they will continue to push it and hope that adoption will slowly improve to the point of being able to properly support it's app store.. Third party apps is where the Win phones leave us a bit flat. I had thought of switching, but was so used to Android and invested in the Android ecosystem, and flagship Samsung phones, that I did not switch.
 
We need more competition. Without MS and BB, there is only Android and Apple.
 
acidrain97 said:
well duh... The windows phone is a useless piece of shit. Glad it gone.
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It's far from gone considering that Windows has mobile built into now. It's never going to be a major player but I think Microsoft can make a few bucks off of it with the right kinds of phones. It'll always be tough but it's a business that Microsoft has to have some presence in because I don't think there's any choice for a major OS developer. Of course they are putting much of their tech on iOS and Android these days given tiny market of Windows phones.

While they would be niche, I do think that Win32 compatible x86 phones would be able to sell in large enough numbers to be profitable. Microsoft will have to give it a go at this point as there's little choice.
 
dyzophoria said:
Not surprising, Windows 10 mobile is taking too long to release, not saying this will save the current state of Windows mobile, but the Universal App concept does sound promising for developers.
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Universal apps may not save Windows phone but I think they will have an impact in that it is a common platform that spans phones, consoles, IoT, tablets, PCs and future devices like HoloLens.
 
dyzophoria said:
Not surprising, Windows 10 mobile is taking too long to release, not saying this will save the current state of Windows mobile, but the Universal App concept does sound promising for developers.
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While I'm not a Windows phone user, I can see this as having some potential. I hoped MS would turn things around and breed more competition.
 
I still use an older Lumia 822 and like it. It integrates better with Exchange than anything I have found on Android, and I don't care to use an iphone. That said, I think the Microsoft/Verizon decision not to carry the new 950 series on the nations biggest carrier is an ominous sign of things to come. I was somewhat waiting on a Windows 10 device to upgrade, but I may have to look to Android now, which is disappointing.
 
If they can't get a decent app library then the phone is pretty limited.

If you a huge app store like Android or IOS and your phone or tablet ran windows software, the sky would be limit.
 
I know a few people that recently got Lumia 950 and 950XL (my boss among them) and they all swear by it. I wouldn't get one myself though.
 
Technical_Advisor said:
Most people with windows phones are happy with the one they have and don't replace it.
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True. I have used Windows phones after my Palm Pilot. I don't or rather haven't needed to upgrade every 2 years. Palm Pilot for 3 years, HTC windows 7 phone for 4 years and now a Nokia Lumia 929 going on 2 years and planning for way more. Truth is even my Win7 phone runs great now, use it as a music player when mowing the lawn or working on vehicles. My current 929 is still astounding and runs flawlessly as it did 2 years ago even after 8.1update. I have found that Android and Apple phones tend to slow down abit for whatever specific reason, where my Windows phones did not. Maybe it is the fact the OS changes are far more frequent on those platforms when mine have been consistent, with the exception of the 8.1 update.
 
I don't have enough experience with different smartphones, but I do know that I'm not very happy with my Acer android phone to buy another one, maybe the more expensive/bigger ones are easier/more practical to use but looking at my mom's Lumia it seems a whole lot more user friendly.

Anyways, I still mostly use my phone to actually make phone calls and not even a lot of those so it will have to last me until it or the battery dies.
 
Anyone that says the windows phone is shit hasn't actually used one. It is a good phone, however since not many people use it there are few apps made to support it. Hopefully windows 10 will change that but the problem is that windows 10 phone has been released but the carriers drag their feet on getting it out to people.

But my Lumia 1520 gets great battery life, survived getting dropped into a river and fished out 10 minutes later, has a 25MP camera that can record 4K video, took nice pictures at the bottom of a cave with low light without using a flash, doesn't shatter if you look at it wrong. I don't use many apps so I have been fine with the selection.
 
The Windows Phone is dead long live the Windows Phone (Surface Phone).

They were on an interesting path before with the Lumia. Had they not strayed, maybe they could have gained ground. IIRC, the original Microsoft Lumia had a kickass camera. Should they produce a model with a kickass camera (barnone, best in class) again and sell the thing at cost (knowing they'll make it up on apps and your data), maybe they make inroads.

They're approaching this market as if their brand means anything within it. They need to refocus and approach it as if they're a startup. You gain marketshare with a single focused device that kicks ass and is sold for way less than the opposition. Gain apps by either incentizing the porting of most apps or finishing the easy porting toolkits they've been working on.
 
Exavior said:
Anyone that says the windows phone is shit hasn't actually used one. It is a good phone, however since not many people use it there are few apps made to support it. Hopefully windows 10 will change that but the problem is that windows 10 phone has been released but the carriers drag their feet on getting it out to people.

But my Lumia 1520 gets great battery life, survived getting dropped into a river and fished out 10 minutes later, has a 25MP camera that can record 4K video, took nice pictures at the bottom of a cave with low light without using a flash, doesn't shatter if you look at it wrong. I don't use many apps so I have been fine with the selection.
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The carrier specific OS crap needs to be handled. Kinda feel they need to say "here's the device, here's the MSRP, you can make carrier APPS but the OS is ours".

Wish Google took a tad bit more of a hard-line with some of their stuff (handset makers and carriers). Having to wait 6+ months for an OS update or 1+ for a major exploit patch is insane. So many phones will be exploitable by Stagefright because of that.
 
iOS is the gold standard. Android is the ghetto knockoff for the poor everyman. I don't really see where Windows Phone fits in. There's no market for it.
 
I have to believe they'll try again. They've got an OS that works across all platforms, which ultimately means you write a modern app that's used on Xbox, Desktop and Phone. If they actually do an x86 phone, then you could, theoretically, use desktop apps on the phone, though I can't imagine using most desktop apps that way...not even on a 7" tablet.
 
My biggest issue with when I had a Windows Phone was receiving texts. Sometimes I would receive them but not get the notification until hours later. Sometimes I'd get notifications of messages but the message itself hadn't come through. Being someone that texts far more than I call, it was annoying to say the least, and it affected messaging, whatsapp and Kik. Kik was the worse though seeing as how they stopped supporting the platform 2012 I think.

Otherwise I honestly think they were good phones with a strong OS.
 
Microsoft needs flagship-level hardware and WP10 at a competitive price. They need to be state of the art, not state of the past.
 
Nolan7689 said:
My biggest issue with when I had a Windows Phone was receiving texts. Sometimes I would receive them but not get the notification until hours later. Sometimes I'd get notifications of messages but the message itself hadn't come through. Being someone that texts far more than I call, it was annoying to say the least, and it affected messaging, whatsapp and Kik. Kik was the worse though seeing as how they stopped supporting the platform 2012 I think.

Otherwise I honestly think they were good phones with a strong OS.
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Is it SMS or is it more like Apple's iMessage? If it's SMS, that's probably an issue with the carrier, not MS.

If it's like iMessage, it could go either way. I know with Apple, if you use iMessage and you don't have data, you may not be able to send/receive texts. With that scenario, i've seen texts delayed several days (even though data was restored more than a day earlier).

That said, nothing is going to fix the lack of app support, other than more users and nobody is going to go to MS without apps.
 
acidrain97 said:
well duh... The windows phone is a useless piece of shit. Glad it gone.
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well duh, you have no idea what you are talking about but, that is ok, most uninformed people don't. Unfortunately, although the Windows Phone OS itself is the best of the three, Microsoft has essentially done everything recently that it can to kill it off. (When was the last time you saw an advertisement for any Windows Phone at all?)
 
nilepez said:
Is it SMS or is it more like Apple's iMessage? If it's SMS, that's probably an issue with the carrier, not MS.

If it's like iMessage, it could go either way. I know with Apple, if you use iMessage and you don't have data, you may not be able to send/receive texts. With that scenario, i've seen texts delayed several days (even though data was restored more than a day earlier).

That said, nothing is going to fix the lack of app support, other than more users and nobody is going to go to MS without apps.
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Considering I haven't changed carriers in over a decade, but have changed phones (and used the same apps) without that issue, it's something about MS. The way they handle toast notifications is odd. They go through MS servers I think and messages go through whatever platform you're using.
 
Nolan7689 said:
Considering I haven't changed carriers in over a decade, but have changed phones (and used the same apps) without that issue, it's something about MS. The way they handle toast notifications is odd. They go through MS servers I think and messages go through whatever platform you're using.
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If the messages are encrypted between MS users, then it goes through MS. otherwise, it just goes from your carrier to you. I guess you're not using it, but if you are, I'd contact your carrier and have them do some testing. Whether it's them or the device, that's the best way to find out.
 
Microsoft has to get Windows Phone working, because the phone is the future of the non-specialist PC.
 
Technical_Advisor said:
Most people with windows phones are happy with the one they have and don't replace it.
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Exactly this.

Mum has an older nokia lumina, 1ghz dual core, etc, runs the latest 8.1 no problems. I've got a newer 535 Microsoft dual sim, 1.2gz quad core, runs 8.1 just fine. Both phones work, run web browsing and everything fine, get all the updates. We have no need to get the latest number phone to be running the latest OS or whatever like Apple and Samsung force upon their customers. Why is it their hardware runs stuff great then suddenly runs like shit when the newest number device rolls about?

I find the APP store is great. The Microsoft games kick arse. Don't know what everyone thinks they are complaining about, what, just because there aren't 1000 different apps that do the same damn thing and steal your information to wade through?

Plus I've got as standard text and call blocking. No need for a million 3rd party dodgy apps for that. Also got a file explorer, no need for even more 3rd party bullcrap that's half broken. Got a data counter and stuff too, no 3rd party. These phones come with so much there just isn't a need for broken app store garbage that the other guys have.

Anyway, looking forward to a possible x86 based surface phone. I'd get one right away to get off ARM based devices.
 
Hi All

The people that I know that have Windows phones all swear by them & they seem genuine in their praise of them.
Making me consider getting one myself
 
jtm55 said:
Hi All

The people that I know that have Windows phones all swear by them & they seem genuine in their praise of them.
Making me consider getting one myself
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Just make sure they have whatever apps you want or need b4 the jump. Most of the social media stuff is there, but there are a few missing, Tinder for instance. Hulu, Netflix, Pandora, and the like are all there, but no Youtube, or any other official google apps for the matter. It is one of the main reasons I did not switch.
 
Gorankar said:
Just make sure they have whatever apps you want or need b4 the jump. Most of the social media stuff is there, but there are a few missing, Tinder for instance. Hulu, Netflix, Pandora, and the like are all there, but no Youtube, or any other official google apps for the matter. It is one of the main reasons I did not switch.
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No boobtube app, but there is a web browser isn't there? I have an android phone and never use the youtube app there either, the web works a lot better for my needs.
 
I have a Lumia 950 - and I have to say, it's SWEET! I got it 3 days after release. The software was a little rough in the beginning, but it's pretty stable now. Totally dig the phone itself, the camera, the battery life - all spectacular.

My main gripe is with the app store. Lots of "major" stuff is missing. A few banks I use do not have apps, some things have third party apps only (try looking for gmail app, lots of weird stuff), and quite a few of the games just don't feel as polished as they do for other platforms. That said, I am happy to have switched. iOS is starting to suck. My iPad is stuck doing the "you have updates" notification - but can't install any of them. Apps randomly crash, too. It just feels stagnant anymore.

The people who mention missing apps are spot on the money. The best way I've found to deal with it is to pin a browser shortcut to the web version of the app (Youtube, namely) to the start screen. It works just fine!

Anyway, just my two cents.
 
I use Lumia 950 and it is a good phone. SW was, indeed, a bit unpolished before the last update but now it works just fine. I love the camera and UI. I didn't use Android or iPhones so not sure if those phones are better or not.
 
Spidey329 said:
The carrier specific OS crap needs to be handled. Kinda feel they need to say "here's the device, here's the MSRP, you can make carrier APPS but the OS is ours".

Wish Google took a tad bit more of a hard-line with some of their stuff (handset makers and carriers). Having to wait 6+ months for an OS update or 1+ for a major exploit patch is insane. So many phones will be exploitable by Stagefright because of that.
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Fully agree. That was the only thing I liked about the iPhone. Apple controls the OS. But Microsoft and Google since their phones are more open allow the carriers to make their own version to release with extra junk. Half tempted to install windows 10 via the insider program and just run the beta releases to have an up to date OS. But as this is a work phone that needs to be working I am afraid to do that.

Nolan7689 said:
My biggest issue with when I had a Windows Phone was receiving texts. Sometimes I would receive them but not get the notification until hours later. Sometimes I'd get notifications of messages but the message itself hadn't come through. Being someone that texts far more than I call, it was annoying to say the least, and it affected messaging, whatsapp and Kik. Kik was the worse though seeing as how they stopped supporting the platform 2012 I think.

Otherwise I honestly think they were good phones with a strong OS.
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I get alarms via text. Get about 200 text a day and have never had that issue. Now my iPhone 4 would so that 75%% of the time. Found it half just the phone being a bitch and the other half of the time me locking the phone while still in the messaging app. But I have not had a single text on my windows phone not notify me right away.
 
Technical_Advisor said:
No boobtube app, but there is a web browser isn't there? I have an android phone and never use the youtube app there either, the web works a lot better for my needs.
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Yea, web browser is there and should be your primary web interaction portal anyway no matter the device. If you need an app to visit a web page then you're in the wrong place being [H]ere.
 
MV75 said:
Yea, web browser is there and should be your primary web interaction portal anyway no matter the device. If you need an app to visit a web page then you're in the wrong place being [H]ere.
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try to deposit a check on winphone and let me know how that works out without a banking app.

I could go on..
 
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