Windows 8 Planned for 2012

JimmiG said:
Sorry but I can't agree there. XP was the first NT-based OS for consumers, and it was a major change from previous 9x-based OS's. Win2000 was actually meant to be the one that merged 9x and NT lines, but because there were so many problems, MS had to rush WinME to give consumers something new instead of Win2000.

With WinXP they managed to fix many problems, but it was plagued by compatibility and performance issues in the beginning. I think people have forgotten just how many problems XP had in its early days. It has been a long time, after all. Vista wasn't nearly as big a change, though it did get a new driver and security model that caused some problems in the beginning.
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I agree with this post! When people I knew first got XP in 2001, things were a mess. SP1 broke some things for me, but made the OS more secure (was really needed). By SP2 I dropped most legacy software (as did most people I know) and I didn't notice any issues.

Also... When are we getting our Win 8 Beta?! :p
 
most people have very selective memories when it comes to XP...when XP first came out it was not a great OS...it took until Service Pack 2 for XP to become what it is now...
 
Damn, i just got Windows 7.

I just hope it does as well as XP so they will continue it longer.:)
 
MS is trying to act like Apple now... let's release an OS every two years!! Yipee!! :D
 
XP is still going strong on my Moms computer (Socket 423 RD-Ram System) To slow to run Vista/7 and Win 9x Crashes on it. and believe it or not she still likes that computer (I hate it slow as hell) She thinks a new computer will change the way her email/internet works (I keep telling her as long as you stick to a Windows OS it will be pretty much the same eXPerience:D I am loving Windows 7 on my HTPC/Main Computer and I have Vista on my Laptop but will soon be 7 Home Premium as soon as I get my Damn upgrade discs (Damn Gateway/Acer Took over a month since I ordered the "Free" Upgrade Discs) I tried W7 before vista the so I now don't hate Vista but I don't like it either I like the new W7 Interface/Library and the other little changes. All the Vista FUD got to me so I never really tried it until I bought a laptop that came with it. But I think 2012 is too soon for Windows 8 I mean come on give 7 a chance before you start talking about something to replace it
 
I don't mind a 3 yearly release of a new OS, helps keep things up to date. Atm, it's a hundred or so for an OS, and lasting 3 years you get a lot for the cash.
 
Microsoft has been trying to follow this system for the past decade, but circumstances have prevented it.

Remember Vista was originally delayed a year and a half due to XP SP2 which was basically a rewrite of XP. If they didn't decide to basically start over from scratch in late 05 it would have only been a year late. And since they have seemed to back off of making ambitious statements about what the next version will have they'll probably meet the three year mark with ease. In fact, I'll say that the fact that they didn't make the upgrade path easy from XP to 7 is a test to see how the market will tolerate that in future upgrades. They aren't expecting everyone to upgrade every three years, but you'll probably do every other one, especially if you are a business.
 
DeathFromBelow said:
Yup. Vista didn't suck, but it involved some significant driver changes over XP. That plus piss-poor marketing and widespread online FUD (OMG did you hear Vista phones home to Haliburton!?!) really hurt Vista adoption even though its largely superior to XP. Its similar to how Windows 2000 never caught on with home users even though it was much better than 98/ME.
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Initially, I think, 2000 had even more driver issues (when it came out) than Vista for gamers, and by the time they were fixed, XP was out (which still had some issues), which was a better choice for home users (and, as I recall, XP Home was cheaper than a 2000 install).
 
Falkentyne said:
The big thing about XP was very high compatibility.
The only thing that didn't work in XP were low level drivers and programs/games that were designed for MS DOS, and programs designed for windows 3.1/95 that used low level hardware access to bypass the operating system completely. (very often, these were just 32 bit versions of DOS applications). Programs that were designed for windows95/98 and games usually worked fine on XP; most problems were due to video card drivers not supporting older features, or dropping them, and so forth. The other games and programs that were designed for 95/98 that didn't work correctly in XP were usually too tied to the OS itself.

Vista butchered everything, pretty much, with bugs and bad 64 bit drivers initially, bloatware and incompatibility, although it improved later. Windows 7 tried to correct most of the Vista problems but still is 64 bit...
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Using that logic, Vista worked 100% with programs that were written to Windows XP coding standards.

The reality: Many programs (yes Intuit, I talking to you) didn't write software to the XP standards until 2006.

I've used Vista x64 as far back as Summer 2006, and with the exception of poor Video drivers and a Creative driver that could only play in stereo (which didn't effect my SB Live that only output in stereo), along with Wavelab (which these days barely works in XP) everything i had worked.

The only bug that I can think of that 7 fixes is the sidebar memory leak. I don't know if they've fixed that in Vista or not, but it was a whopper. Aside from that, 7 has a better UI and new features.

It also has better memory management on low end systems (though as I said earlier I ran Vista RC2 on a 512mb Athlon 63 3000, and it ran as well as XP SP2, but neither was close to optimal at 512mb....both were optimal at 1.5-2gb IME).
 
jvz555 said:
I found this video a while back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0r6tINInrw

Regardless it being on youtube, it looks pretty legit.
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Totally fake, notice the µTorrent icon at 21seconds. No way Microsoft is going to put that kinda software in a promo video lol . At 31 seconds you see how it lists documents by file extension. No way that is gonna happen either, Microsoft doesn't want people to deal with file extension names so they are hidden by default, since windows XP I think. Also there is WAY too much menu animation going on and the task bar is so over animated it would be a pain to work with especially for someone who isn't good with computers. This video is from some random graphic designer that wanted to see if he was good enough to fool people.
 
QwertyJuan said:
MS is trying to act like Apple now... let's release an OS every two years!! Yipee!! :D
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The time between XP and Vista was an anomaly, not the norm. The successor to XP was initially supposed to launch in 2004 but got pushed an additional two years because Longhorn development was such a clusterfuck.
 
I should also note that the resources pulled away to make XP SP2 (much needed to fix security) was a big roadblock on Longhorn development.
 
Serpico said:
I should also note that the resources pulled away to make XP SP2 (much needed to fix security) was a big roadblock on Longhorn development.
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The word Longhorn reminds me... Are we ever getting a NTFS replacement? Wasn't WinFS supposed to appear in Vista/7?
 
win8 will still be longhorn, but its definitely going to be an OS that excludes a huge percentage of pc's out there. basically anything from 2005 or older will not support win8 (i reckon anyway), going by the 64bit-only support alone.

but itll probably have a really nice ui and hopefully fantastic touch features. i want that microsoft water-table surface thing as their os for tablet pc's....
 
2012 eh? That isn't too bad of a time frame for a shift to something newer and hopefully better. Till then, W7 will just have to keep me entertained. :cool:
 
krupted said:
win8 will still be longhorn, but its definitely going to be an OS that excludes a huge percentage of pc's out there. basically anything from 2005 or older will not support win8 (i reckon anyway), going by the 64bit-only support alone.

but itll probably have a really nice ui and hopefully fantastic touch features. i want that microsoft water-table surface thing as their os for tablet pc's....
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So MS will be dropping the 32bit OS from their lineup, wow, Finally, Well as long as 32bit programs will still be installable, I won't mind or shed a tear, All My PCs here support 64bit. :D
 
86 5.0L said:
ME?
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WinME was a home user OS, hance "me", it wasn't really a between OS

Windows 2000 and XP Pro, there :)

WinME was made cause Win2k came out and home users felt left out and complained so MS tossed together ME, windows 98 with windows 2000 icons and look.

this would stick to MS normal 2 year release cycle, but i am sure people will complain, say it is only a service pack and blah blah blah.

Get used to it, i hope people get over the 7-8 OS that XP had.
 
windows 8 won't be anything more than same shit, new skin.

i have windows 7 on my laptop, and it provides nothing new or useful over windows xp pro i have on my desktop.

aero is a gimmick, as is all the other eye candy.
 
dr.kevin said:
windows 8 won't be anything more than same shit, new skin.

i have windows 7 on my laptop, and it provides nothing new or useful over windows xp pro i have on my desktop.

aero is a gimmick, as is all the other eye candy.
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thats like saying a ford taurus gets you to work the same as an E-class mercedes. sure, they both get you there, but what would you rather drive?
 
dr.kevin said:
windows 8 won't be anything more than same shit, new skin.

i have windows 7 on my laptop, and it provides nothing new or useful over windows xp pro i have on my desktop.

aero is a gimmick, as is all the other eye candy.
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+1

Give me a kick ass, stable OS with XP menus and icons I ain't trying to impress nobody with the looks of my desktop. :D

Perhaps MS should consider marketing a Geek Edition
 
Windows 7 have just been release and now they are talking about Windows 8?
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That's the way things work. Development takes a long time, so they have to plan multiple years in advance.
 
aero is a gimmick, as is all the other eye candy.
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DWM is far more than "Eye Candy". Along with WDDM, it pulls graphics drivers into usermode for increased system stability and does composition without ever tearing (a large problem in XP and before).
i have windows 7 on my laptop, and it provides nothing new or useful over windows xp pro i have on my desktop.
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Completely wrong in every sense of the word; stop trolling.
Wasn't WinFS supposed to appear in Vista/7?
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WinFS was never going to be a filesystem. Half of WinFS became the Vista Indexer/file metadata stuff. The other half became Libraries in Win7. We now have all the functionality WinFS was ever supposed to provide.
 
oh cool, maybe i can stick with windows xp for another 2.5 years and wait for windows 8
 
Arainach said:
WinFS was never going to be a filesystem. Half of WinFS became the Vista Indexer/file metadata stuff. The other half became Libraries in Win7. We now have all the functionality WinFS was ever supposed to provide.
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Thanks for clearing that up Arainach! :)
 
krupted said:
win8 will still be longhorn, but its definitely going to be an OS that excludes a huge percentage of pc's out there. basically anything from 2005 or older will not support win8 (i reckon anyway), going by the 64bit-only support alone.
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Any atom based netbook you buy today is 32bit only. While new mobile atoms out early next year are allegedly going to support x64, older models will probably linger in retail/distribution until late in the year, so I think 2012 is still too early to drop 32 bit support. Hold off on that until win9.
 
DanNeely said:
Any atom based netbook you buy today is 32bit only. While new mobile atoms out early next year are allegedly going to support x64, older models will probably linger in retail/distribution until late in the year, so I think 2012 is still too early to drop 32 bit support. Hold off on that until win9.
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Intel is the reason they didn't drop it with 7. They have already pulled 32-bit support with Windows Server 2008 R2. It isn't a last minute thing, Microsoft made this known back when Vista was brand new that 7 was the end of the line for 32-bit.

jvz555 said:
I found this video a while back. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0r6tINInrw

Regardless it being on youtube, it looks pretty legit.
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My memory is fuzzy on it, but if I recall a guy on neowin did this as a theme, called windows 8 for 7 or something like that, and that was a link to how it looks. Basically a lot of that stuff is done with Stardock's DesktopX.
 
//[T.0.P]//;1034948337 said:
+1

Give me a kick ass, stable OS with XP menus and icons I ain't trying to impress nobody with the looks of my desktop. :D

Perhaps MS should consider marketing a Geek Edition
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Most Geeks prefer more for their money not less. If you can't figure out how to make use of the new features, I really don't know what to say at this point. Vista/7 are a lot more than looks and an actual geek would spend enough time with it to know that.
 
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