Now your'e literally making the same argument people on here made against 7. 10 is not a big change, though if you work at a place with lots of people incapable of learning anything, then those minor changes might be a bridge too far. I'd recommend hiring people who graduated from middle school. Seriously, it's not a big change. My 80 year old parents made the transition with virtually no issues and those they had took a call or an email to get the answer. Large companies ALL have help desks to trouble shoot issues and answer questions. Hell, even mid-sized companies have those.
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But when money is on the line, things change.
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that's me.
Windows 7 with WDDM 2.0 no telemetry cortana or windows store.
basically a service pack.
Again...LITERALLY the same argument why businesses wouldn't go to 7 was all about 7 UI changes. I can promise you Enterprise is moving to 10. It's already slowly started and it's going to accelerate over the next 12-18 months and largely be finished by the end of 2019.
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Really? So by 2019 most every business in the world will be on 10?
Well that is pretty good!
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I dig the Windows 2000esque feel of ReactOS. I check it out once every few months in a VM and send a few bucks to them (more like beer money rather than development money).
At least 7 will not delete your software during updates without warning you.
That was the reason i went back to 7. Windows intentionally without warning or consent uninstalled one of my programs, due to "compatibility conflicts" rather then giving me a warning and a choice or in anyway take care f it until to late.
and i have had no issues upgrading windows 7 if you do it right..
its is tricky. yeah.. but arguing that you don't know how to do it right is far worse than an update process intentionally deleting software...
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If windows 8 and 10 didn’t suck so damn much I would ditch my windows 7.
But they are fascist operating systems.
But they are fascist operating systems.
I keep hearing that the corporate bump for 10's stalled growth is "coming just wait". Years roll by. Still nothing. "Just wait". Meanwhile,
In 2017, Windows 10 went from 25.30% to 29.26% (+3.96%)
In 2017, Windows 7 went from 47.20% to 46.63% (-0.57%)
That's abysmal for a flagship OS. Projecting the current rate forward, it's going to take 7-10 years just for 7 and 10 to meet in the middle with equal share, nevermind 10 "overtaking 7" - that's pure fanboy mushroom hallucinations.
MS declared 10 "the last Windows"? Nope. Users have declared 7 the last Windows, and it will never go away unless MS makes serious concessions in 10, or creates a proper successor to 7. Propping January 2020 up as a paper tiger and declaring "no more patches" is meaningless - 7 is a freight train and isn't stopping for shit.
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Sitting here typing this on my Win7 work machine. The company didn't even allow Win10 on their system until last year. My Win7 machine is set to be replaced next year when it's fully depreciated. At that time, I fully expect to get a Win10 machine, as many employees around me have.
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Most businesses consider an OS as an expense, not some thing that needs to have a "Oh, New, Shiny." feel. They just want something that allows employees to access documents, communicate with each other and customers, and limit damage when something goes wrong. Something XP actually did/does fairly well IF properly configured and secured behind a proper edge device. Windows 7 greatly improved on XPs capacity to deliver basic business needs without a lot of required retraining, another thing businesses consider as an expense. Windows 10 didn't bring much to the table that businesses or end users for that matter, want or need that 7 isn't already doing well.
I went through the "Oh Shiny!" phase many years ago. Now I just want something that works, lets me control when updates happen, doesn't spontaneously change, doesn't have popup ads, and doesn't spy on me so the corporate mother ship can sell the data. If MS offers a new OS that does that, I might switch. Until then, Win 7 works just fine.
I went through the "Oh Shiny!" phase many years ago. Now I just want something that works, lets me control when updates happen, doesn't spontaneously change, doesn't have popup ads, and doesn't spy on me so the corporate mother ship can sell the data. If MS offers a new OS that does that, I might switch. Until then, Win 7 works just fine.
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It's a shame that we can't have a discussion about Windows anymore without the conversation being overtaken by telemetry paranoia.
The "telemetry" that windows collects is nothing compared to the telemetry and info that Google collects via their search engine and via Android, as well as what phone manufacturers and most app makers collect. I bet the Uber app alone collects more info than Windows 10, and most Windows 10 devices don't have two built-in cameras and GPS ready to help collect data. You guys must not even use phones if you are that paranoid about data potentially being sent home.
The "telemetry" that windows collects is nothing compared to the telemetry and info that Google collects via their search engine and via Android, as well as what phone manufacturers and most app makers collect. I bet the Uber app alone collects more info than Windows 10, and most Windows 10 devices don't have two built-in cameras and GPS ready to help collect data. You guys must not even use phones if you are that paranoid about data potentially being sent home.
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Resmon.exe can give you similar details if that's what you need.
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No, let me tell you, that is 110% the case still. I had a laptop last week take 36 hours to get a list of update from this shit. (Fortunately I could leave it on the bench and not care, but that was an actual thing.)
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Then, at least in this case, the issue was on the laptop itself. I have been doing clean installs and updates on existing installs, they are very fast now.
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I use the Spybot Anti-Beacon. Not sure if that truly helps.
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nope, Core i5 with 8GB RAM and SSD. Everything else on it was zippy.
If you don't pre-update windows, it runs like shit.
Thats been my general experience as well. All types of machines, though it hurts lower end laptops the most, win7 or 8. Any of my machines that haven't been turned on in awhile and updated I'm going to just use wsus first.
Thats because win8 and 10 usually have "fastboot" turned on which just a form of sleep/hibernation instead of truly shutting down. Any decent spec system from 2011 onward with a ssd will boot in under a minute for me (often depends more on motherboard and whats attached to said mobo). There is no real difference between the three OS's beyond 5-10 seconds in my experience.
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This is not true. Maybe for your Windows 7 install, but it can certainly be made "silent", unlike Win 10.
I don't use Uber and I can use my Android phone without Google services. Either way, the analogy doesn't work for the basic reason that Windows is a desktop OS and not an online app or search engine or whatever.
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Usually I can resolve this with either KB947821 or KB3125574. KB2647753 and KB3172605 have also been known to apply and updating your agent with WindowsUpdateAgent-7.6-x64.exe will generally get it done.
Apples to apples comparison..easily turned off functions that do not require the use of third party utilities or registry modifications. In that scenario Win 7 and Win 10 are exactly the same.
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Well, the UI part can be accomplished: https://www.stardock.com/products/windowblinds/ and https://www.stardock.com/products/start10/
As for the telemetry issues, Spybot Anti-Beacon may work, but I have my doubts. It does shut down the telemetry tasks in the task scheduler.
Just because it's easy to you does not mean it's easy for all the users that wish to disable telemetry. When it comes to computers, ease is an extremely subjective metric. A wise man once said "people are different."
You can turn off all telemetry in Windows 10 within the OS itself?
I agree. We should redirect attention back to the fact that we can't talk about Windows anymore without talking about mandatory automatic updates that may or may not break software you use that you don't have control over.
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My biggest gripe with Win10 is that I'm not given enough choice as to what gets sent back to MS, and that it should be 100% opt in, not "opt out, but only some of it because even if you turn it all off we're still going to collect stuff whether you like it or not because reasons.".
MS has simply done a "Google", but they put the scanning right into the OS instead of into the web apps. It was the next logical step and I'm rather surprised it took them this long to do it.
I still prefer Win7, it does what I need it to, and I've got a tiny bit more control over what its doing.
MS has simply done a "Google", but they put the scanning right into the OS instead of into the web apps. It was the next logical step and I'm rather surprised it took them this long to do it.
I still prefer Win7, it does what I need it to, and I've got a tiny bit more control over what its doing.
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I dunno. I think, in reality, Win7 is more like Shaft at a sorority party in a blaxploitation film.
He keeps trying to leave, but sweet young things keep inviting him back for...hot coffee.
*Cue porn soundtrack*
End-users and businesses loathed Win8 with the fury of a bajillion exploding suns.
Win10 is only MARGINALLY better, and is utterly infested with pointless telemetry that adds nothing to the end user experience and compromises the security in a business environment.
So why the fuck WOULD a business switch off before they absolutely were FORCED to?
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In our case, we have way too many desktops. We needed to start now just to see what might break, what works, and to be able to meet the 2020 date. We don't have much of a choice. So far, it hasn't really been all bad. Almost everything is working. Maybe a few issues that need to be resolved.
Most by the END of 2019. 7 Support ends in January of 2020. MS is not likely to extend it this time and virtually all the complaints here are about things that can be turned off or removed in the Enterprise version of 10.
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And all it takes is one large hospital system making declaring this publicly as part of a decision not to transition to it for many others to follow suit.. or for MS to get change things fast... or for them to pay them off. I'm going with that last option.
lol you're delusional. (thinks back on patching wannacry on win xp machines in a lab 3 months ago)
I'm fairly confident that anyone who can click a yes/no prompt at the beginning of the install can do what I'm talking about. Not talking rocket science here.
Yes..at the beginning of the install process..for a long damn time now. Just to be perfectly clear I am not talking about turning all of it off, just down to the same level as Win 7 defaults. Nor am I excusing its default on as I have and agree it is bullshit that should default to off. You are talking to someone who will not install Win 10 on his primary box for a long list of reasons so I am in no way defending MS's bullshittery in this OS. My only point here is to simply point out false information and tell people that if they want to hate the OS there is a long list of reasons to hate it without hanging on to outdated and factually incorrect information.
Sorry but Basic level and it's 2000+ datapoints is not "7 defaults". Theres a whole raft of shit they have no business collecting if you look through their (partial) list of metrics for Basic - and by partial I mean the ones they admit to and disclose publicly.
Bottom line though you seem to be tapdancing around inexplicably to excuse what really is a very simple issue:.
Provide a telemetry Opt Out. Done.
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I'm afraid you should probably learn how to use a packet sniffer and actually look at the data being sent out by Win 7 by default. You might find yourself a little surprised at how much it actually is. Also, not tap dancing around anything..I agree that it should be something you can turn off entirely.
I see. I didn't realize most companies were still on XP. Thanks for the 411.
George Orwell really did have it right! He just missed the date by a few years.
With google having a record of every search you have ever done, to Microsoft's telemetry knowing everything about you, it wouldn't surprise me that the government is paying both of them for total access to all that data!!!!
With google having a record of every search you have ever done, to Microsoft's telemetry knowing everything about you, it wouldn't surprise me that the government is paying both of them for total access to all that data!!!!