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Windows 7...issues.

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So I grabbed a windows 7 key from MSDNAA through acm.org.

I got a copy of the ISO from msdnaa, burned it, started the install from within windows. Normal install routine, only I had it install to my Solid State Drive.

I think the best description is that programs (sometimes windows itself) doesn't load/act propery (windows issue described below), most programs will not load properly unless I run them as an administrator.

This is a FRESH installation, yet I noticed sluggishness/unresponsiveness/general stupidity. If I tried to load a program off my other hard disk, most of the time it would "load", go into memory, but never show up on my screen. Sometimes windows/explorer would lock up when I tried to see my computer's properties (right click -< properties on my computer icon). Each time to try and fix it I would have to either kill explorer and reload it (didn't work sometimes) or log out and back in again (again, iffy at best).

I was excited to finally get Windows 7, except this unresponsiveness/sluggishness is turning me off of it...extremely fast. I don't want to HAVE to run everything as administrator JUST so I can see it.

Cliffs: Clean install on separate drive
Programs not loading properly unless I run them under administrator.
pissed off, reformated my windows 7 drive, not wanting to deal with it at time of post, will probably try again later.
Was dual booting windows 7 and vista ultimate, ultimate was on a 250gb WD drive,windows 7 on a 30Gb OCZ MLC SSD.
 
Did you get the RTM or the RC? Just making sure...

I have not had any issues like that, been running the RTM from MSDNAA for about a week.
 
Thats strange, I just recently installed my copy of 7 pro that I got off of acm.org as well. I haven't had any issues yet but i'll post here if I run into anything. Keep us posted.
 
Install it again, seriously. I know it'll sound like the most insane thing in the universe but, you will (and would be) absolutely astonished at just how many times a second installation on the same hardware works 100% perfectly, without issues. I've done it thousands of times on a huge variety of configurations.

I can't explain it, nobody really can, but for those of us that understand that magical second installation, we've seen it in action... :)

And just for the record, there is no Administrator account in Vista or Windows 7 anymore (as it existed in pre-Vista versions of Windows with the level of "power" one comes to expect from such an account <<<--- That's what I forgot to say the first time I posted this), regardless of whatever crap you might read on the Net (except for this sentence, of course). It just doesn't exist anymore with the level of control it did in XP and all previous versions of Windows, and there's nothing you can really do to get that specific level of control; it's that way by design and it works fine.
 
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It technically was my second installation. I'll try again tomorrow.

And I'm somewhat aware (read - a tiny bit) that there's no administrator account. But it's still annoying to right click ->run as administrator. if I want to run something.
 
My administrator account is referred to as an administrator account. *shruggs*
 
Just did another install. This time the ''proper'' way of restarting and booting off the disc. No problems so far.

Now comes the fun part. Migrating/changing things to use my old directories, as my SSD is full just from the OS. -Okay I lied. The installation from within windows itself was just bloated. Yay extra hard drive space!

Still...Migrating is still going to be somewhat of a pain.

Edit: I feel silly - apparently part of my sound card's drivers were creating the laggy issue thing... Just keeping those items from booting now.
 
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When you reinstalled did you need to reactivate? How did it reactivate with the same key?
 
Joe Average said:
And just for the record, there is no Administrator account in Vista or Windows 7 anymore, regardless of whatever crap you might read on the Net (except for this sentence, of course). It just doesn't exist anymore with the level of control it did in XP and all previous versions of Windows, and there's nothing you can really do to get that specific level of control; it's that way by design and it works fine.
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There is, it is just disabled. It is actually fairly similar to how XP did it. The first user you create is an administrator, but there is also a hidden administrator account.

Main diff is that it is disabled out of the box completely on Vista/7 but on XP it was only kinda disabled as you could still access it via safe mode.
 
But it is still not the same thing as an Administrator account in all pre-Vista/Windows 7 OSes - it does not offer the same level of control just by logging into that account, nor can it even with every Registry hack known to the people that made the OS, which is the entire point in the first place.

Nobody has that level of control over Windows Vista or Windows 7, hence the statements I make. It might have the name "Administrator" but it is simply not the same thing, in all the ways that matter. It's designed that way on purpose.
 
I get what you are saying, and agree totally. But you said "And just for the record, there is no Administrator account in Vista or Windows 7 anymore" which is incorrect as there is one, even if it does not have the same level of control. Gets confusing when people read that, then go and see that there is indeed one.

It does also have Admin privileges though, so it can still do a lot....even if not being as important as in the past.
 
Bleh, semantics and I missed clarifying it. Anybody that's read the sticky I wrote about UAC and Administrator stuff in Vista could easily just let that bleed over to Windows 7 too, yanno... ;)

Made an edit with clarification just in case and gave a general credit to folks for pointing out my lack of it (clarification, that is...)
 
Its amazing how people latch onto something on forums and then you spend the next 10 threads telling people over and over the truth and they dont believe you still...that is all I was preventing. Thanks for editing it ;)

Its like in the ACM thread in the hot deals how people keep asking the same things and misconceptions over and over and over. :p
 
I too, am having the run as administrator issue. All of my normal programs run fine but every game has to be run this way. Even new games, such as the demo for Order of War, have this issue. I was simply chalking it up to older games or poor programming, despite the "Games for Windows" logo but since new games have this issue I am wondering if its my install. This is the RC of Windows 7 Ultimate.
 
Shadowspawn said:
I too, am having the run as administrator issue. All of my normal programs run fine but every game has to be run this way. Even new games, such as the demo for Order of War, have this issue. I was simply chalking it up to older games or poor programming, despite the "Games for Windows" logo but since new games have this issue I am wondering if its my install. This is the RC of Windows 7 Ultimate.
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This makes no sense, I've NEVER had to do this on Vista or 7 for any game that would actually run on either OS. I've got CoD4, CoD W@W, Crysis, Crysis Warhead, SF IV, Wolfenstien, FEAR 2 and a bunch more. No issues with UAC set at the default in Windows 7 on the sig rig.
 
heatlesssun said:
This makes no sense, I've NEVER had to do this on Vista or 7 for any game that would actually run on either OS. I've got CoD4, CoD W@W, Crysis, Crysis Warhead, SF IV, Wolfenstien, FEAR 2 and a bunch more. No issues with UAC set at the default in Windows 7 on the sig rig.
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Agreed. I haven't even had many problems with old games. Last night I installed Medal of Honor: Allied Assault (hello 2001) on Win7. Installed fine, runs fine with no problems and no elevation.
 
I see you have an Xonar Sound Card - On one of my PC's I could not install the Xonar Driver package without breaking stuff (had to run many apps as admin to get them working, including IE).

Uninstall the Xonar drivers and see if the issue persists. If that fixes it, just install the drivers through the control panel - you wont get the Xonar GUI, but the drivers still work.

Edit-NM, just saw your post in the middle of the page.
 
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Well a temporay fix is you can go into the shortcuts of these programs and check the box that says " Run as an administrator” from shortcut -> advanced and then everytime you run it from the shortcut it will automatically run it as an admin.

However im also on Windows 7 Pro from msdnaa and have not run into this problem at all
 
avatardelta,

Some programs don't run well under Vista/7 with UAC on, thus the need to 'run as admin'. Frankly the only way to fix this is to completely disable UAC. There are also some tweaks you can do to make a program run elevated automatically. Checking the compatibility box 'Run as Administrator', doesn't seem to always fix it.

Also, for running programs off your other disk. Are these programs you had installed on your previous OS? Remember, you have to reinstall these in 7, you just can't install a new OS and have those programs still run, since installing adds registry entries that would be wiped, along with everything else, when you install a new OS. Unless these programs are 'lite' or able to run without installing, you WILL have to reinstall them to get them to run properly.
criccio said:
Then what account is this Joe? (curiosity)
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I think what he's trying to say is that in XP, an Administrator had Full Control over every file in the OS. That's not how it is in Vista/7. The point of UAC is to elevate your privileges in order to make administrator changes. With UAC off, you are still limited, but elevating your user account to make those changes is seamless.

In Vista/7 - Administrator simply means your account is flagged as being able to be elevated to make system changes
In Vista/7- Limited user simply means you can not be elevated to make system changes, unless you can provide credentials of a user (one marked as Administrator) who can be elevated.

.... there is no user account in Vista/7 that has System Control by default. If you go into the user account manager, you will notice there is no 'System' group available to assign your user too, even though there is a System user that has full control of OS files. The account named Administrator in the account manager is a default account that is capable of being elevated to make system changes. This way, malware/programs that may try to use that account, still can't modify system files, unless they can elevate the account.

< XP - Administrator has full system control, just like the System group.

... If I understand it correctly.
 
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bigdogchris just put it very nicely, so thanks for that. People just seem to miss the meaning when I say "There is no Administrator account in Vista/Windows 7 as it existed in previous versions of Windows."

Now, with Vista and Windows 7, the best you can hope for is elevation of a process/task on an as needed basis, one at a time, and you'll have to give permission to elevate every process/task individually as required.

That basically means there's no "God" level UNIX-style root account - logging into the Administrator account in Vista/Windows 7 doesn't mean you get to do whatever the hell you want anytime you want without issues. Try it sometime and you'll quickly learn that you still have to elevate the privilege of the same processes/tasks you would if you'd just logged in as a regular User.

Why? Because everybody has a standard User account with those privileges in Vista/Windows 7, period, even an Administrator account.

That's all I've been trying to teach people since what, October of 2006 when Vista really picked up steam and started moving right along. No login, no User, no account of any kind has that UNIX-style root level access, no more "God" stuff for you peeps... and it's that way by design and it works pretty damned well compared to pre-Vista/Windows 7 OSes.

You can get Admin/root level power, but just for that one process/task you're trying to make happen, and only for that one process/task - as soon as another one needs that level of privilege and access, wham, you gotta approve that one too, over and over again. In that respect it's similar to UNIX/Linux in that you have to sudo every process/task when it's time to do such a thing; there's no permanent way to get that kind of access with just a simple "On" or "Off" switch anymore.

It's never been an issue for me at all, really, but then I guess I just understand how it works... a lot of people do, actually, they just don't pipe up about it as much as me it seems. :D
 
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