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Your credibility ended the moment you said "My WMP 11 looks the same in XP and Vista." which was proven to be wrong few posts afterwards in my topic. So you apparently state opinions/facts without any basis just for the sake of argument... and I would not expect you to say something else since you have probably never spent a minute on a server OS just like 99% of the folks here.
You want gaming, go get an xbox or atari or whatever is being used... For everyone else, Vista is bloatware and PCs have other uses than gaming too. I will not be able to comment on gaming performance but since server ships default with DirectX 10, I would say it is a better equipped even at present for your future games.
You had no idea that server ships locked-down already without bloatware... And if I need something, I need to add that afterwards instead of fiddling with bazillion of items trying to turn off bloat that comes default.
I still thank you for taking the time to respond to my topic, very kind of you just like other forum members. No hard feelings.
You want gaming, go get an xbox or atari or whatever is being used... For everyone else, Vista is bloatware and PCs have other uses than gaming too. I will not be able to comment on gaming performance but since server ships default with DirectX 10, I would say it is a better equipped even at present for your future games.
You had no idea that server ships locked-down already without bloatware... And if I need something, I need to add that afterwards instead of fiddling with bazillion of items trying to turn off bloat that comes default.
I still thank you for taking the time to respond to my topic, very kind of you just like other forum members. No hard feelings.
As I stated, I don't care about the benchmarks or what not. I told you from my personal experience and tests.
If I had any interest in games, I would be doing that for you -- but I don't. So why don't you do a service to the community and do FPS benches yourself? 2008 Server is a free download from Microsoft and it is set up in 8 mins.
I find it pretty humorous you keep saying Vista has bloat ware but don't name specifics and keep saying you've run tests that say Server 2008 runs 20% faster than Vista but have nothing to back it up with.
I don't care much for any server operating system for my workstation. I use it for DC's, SQL and Exchange servers, amongst other applications.
As DeaconForst pointed out, stick with Vista if you're going to be an end-user doing anything non-server related.
I hate repeating myself so unless you have something other to say, I'm done here.
I don't care much for any server operating system for my workstation. I use it for DC's, SQL and Exchange servers, amongst other applications.
As DeaconForst pointed out, stick with Vista if you're going to be an end-user doing anything non-server related.
I hate repeating myself so unless you have something other to say, I'm done here.
You can find the benches on the net as pointed out on the first page too. NCQ is not yet implemented properly but... Single hd_speed, same throughput for vista and server... about 90 mbps on my samsung 500GB SATA-II. 2 hd_speeds at positions 0% and 50% totals 18 mbps for me on vista and 23 mbps on server. Like i said, I dont need any benches, I am using server for half a year and i tried vista for a week. You know it is bloat too... But average joe likes bloat.
Can you show me one bench where Vista performs better than Server?
Can you run 3dmark on both server and vista and post results here? Or anything else to measure game FPS which you said is important for you?
No you can't. What can you do? Just bitch... server is server, workstation is workstation, vista is server, server is vista, vista is the same as server... whatever.
Can you show me one bench where Vista performs better than Server?
Can you run 3dmark on both server and vista and post results here? Or anything else to measure game FPS which you said is important for you?
No you can't. What can you do? Just bitch... server is server, workstation is workstation, vista is server, server is vista, vista is the same as server... whatever.
i $#@$ing love this guy lol
http://apcmag.com/microsoft_replaces_vista_kernel_in_sp1.htm
run ur benches again, all the performance increases in server have been negated with sp1
http://blogs.zdnet.com/hardware/?p=1299
meh, does this guy ever quit ?
Are you aware that, with your link you are proving Vista and 2008 are not the same kernel? This was the fundamental argument point against 2008.
"One of the big features discussed in early speculation of Windows Vista SP1 was the kernel upgrade, which was supposed to bring the operating system into line with the Longhorn kernel used in Windows Server 2008. "
Oh wait! You had to spend a year and half to get there while being guinea pigs for microsoft to produce a stable 2008 server! I was using the same kernel 6 months ago with no changes... while you were using the same bloat for a year and more!
I like this forum, folks are very helpful. Little bit of dog-fighting does not hurt anyone. After all, I want you all folks have superfast systems and satisfying computing experiences. And I love you all too! And you do not know my gender!
"One of the big features discussed in early speculation of Windows Vista SP1 was the kernel upgrade, which was supposed to bring the operating system into line with the Longhorn kernel used in Windows Server 2008. "
Oh wait! You had to spend a year and half to get there while being guinea pigs for microsoft to produce a stable 2008 server! I was using the same kernel 6 months ago with no changes... while you were using the same bloat for a year and more!
I like this forum, folks are very helpful. Little bit of dog-fighting does not hurt anyone. After all, I want you all folks have superfast systems and satisfying computing experiences. And I love you all too! And you do not know my gender!
wow 6_6_6 another thread, another complaint
if you can't get with the times please sell your computer...20+ years of OSs (per your statement) you'd think you would adapt...
you must be one of those who appreciates the qualities of the horse-drawn carriage?
if you can't get with the times please sell your computer...20+ years of OSs (per your statement) you'd think you would adapt...
you must be one of those who appreciates the qualities of the horse-drawn carriage?
I don't recall seeing 6_6_6 on the microsoft beta NGs ? If i somehow missed your name, i'm appauled microsoft let you in the beta program. Regardless, we have had 2008 beta's deployed in a lab for much longer than 6 months..much longer than a year.... Then again, we don't use server08 to download porno torrents all day either. To each is own huh ?
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I see my point was missed above. You mention using Vista for a week, and then basing your comparisons off of the two. Surely, someone of your experience and knowledge level would be capable of researching the fact that Vista self tunes and it takes a few weeks to get to optimium performance. Let's not start waving the credibility stick, shall we? You might not like the results, when you see who's credibility is taking the hit.
Now, if you'd like to turn this into something productive, and have us all work out some actual real world tests, I'd be more than happy to participate and post my results. I have a decent Core2Duo spare system I could use for testing.
Speaking of taking a hit, don't you think it is rather ignorant to make a wild assumption such as this? Did you think this would help your position at all? I manage ALL of the servers for current company, after spending quite a few years as an assistant system admin and lead project manager at several other companies. I currently support both sides of the client server model, and if we want to wipe out our e-peens, I believe that would make me qualified to know when a client OS is needed and when a server OS is needed.
Now, if you'd like to turn this into something productive, and have us all work out some actual real world tests, I'd be more than happy to participate and post my results. I have a decent Core2Duo spare system I could use for testing.
so, it should be very easy to answer and should be a yes or no answer. Do they (Vista and 2008) or do they not have the same kernel now.
I don't care what they were, but with fully updated systems are they the same kernel? If not, is one superior? The second question may not be as clear.
I don't care what they were, but with fully updated systems are they the same kernel? If not, is one superior? The second question may not be as clear.
It was and still is available on their website for download. Before that you needed just to login to livemail. You didnt need to go to beta -- that is for guinea pigs. Thank you for helping MS fix it for me. If it wasnt for you and countless unknown beta-testing hereos of MS, where would we be today?
We use free software on our farms by the way.
We use free software on our farms by the way.
Tuning what? Are you talking about SuperFetch? That is disabled by default on a server.
Yet you don't know SuperFetch is disabled by default on a server or a server has 10-15 services less than a Vista in stock install.
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Ugh. We were discussing the fact you only gave Vista a week, which isn't long enough to get a full idea of it's performance. If you are going to try and paint me as being wrong, you could start by not putting words in my outh, and sticking to what I say.
You've also shown your true colors in completely skipping the final portion of my comments, about doing something useful. I think that shows what your true intentions are here.
Yeah I know. I did this with my Camaro. I left it running for a week and boy... did it take off like a rocket. I wonder why I spent so much money on my Vette .
Apologies Deacon, I stopped reading when i came "I manage all servers..." part. My wrong.
Yes, your suggestion I believe is excellent. Many here are interested in FPS results. I think it would be great if you can just run 3dmark scores for those folks on both OSes. I think 3dmark06 installs DirectX 9 by default on a DirectX 10 system. I don't know how accurate this is or what it might represent for them... but I am sure they can guide you fine here fore gaming performance. Very kind of you.
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I'd be more than happy to partake in the test, if we used something a lot more reliable than a synthetic benchmark like 3DMark06. I'll look through the games I have and find a few that have benchmark utilities in them, or find some demos that do as well. If someone could find some quick instructions on running some batch scripts in Photoshop CS3, I'd be happy to do that as well.
Wow, good for you, not only are you an expert on media player but also windows 2008(which you just use the free trial from microsoft, if you can afford a vette, i would hope you can afford software, jesus), windows NT, Cool free UNIX serverfarms, and some mysterious form of windows server that was developed in 1983.
I bet you live a lonely life, full of dungeons and dragons friends and broken english. Regardless, your comments on here are retarded. You bring up the different kernel's, and when i point out they are the same, you blabber on about beta testing. I think you might need some bi-polar medications, i can just see some poor soul sitting in his room, pulling out the few remaining strands of hair on his head... all because of the interwebs.
Character defamations... A clear sign of depleting all useful artillery. For small people.
I have to agreed with that.
Since they have the exact same kernel version now, it's impossible for Server 2008 to be faster IF the same services are running. So why not just disable the services in Vista that are disabled by default in Server 2008... you'll have the same performance of Server 2008 without the computability headaches and loss of features. Vista FTW.
Is there a concise list for rookies?
No, character defamations come first, bragging on the internet about your eliteness is what happens when all ammunition is gone.
Not to mention, character defamation implies false statements.
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Do you mean in the very same way you made the assumptions I had no server experience? Here's my suggestion....again. Ditch the holier-than-thou, listen-to-my-qualifications crap, and stick to coming up with some tests to try. You've copped an attitude in two threads now, especially towards the people taking time to post in your threads. Stick to something productive.
My 2 cents, having recently switched my laptop from Vista to Server 2008:
Server 2008, for my uses, seems to be a faster, better option. Boot time is about the same, however shutdown time seems to be significantly faster in 2008.
Basic things like file and network browsing and connecting to networks just seem to happen faster in 2008.
I don't have an exact explanation for this. My understanding is that multimedia related services present in Vista are not in Server 2008. This would seem to make sense, as in the less-overhead equals better performance theory. Regardless, Server 2008 seems to spend a lot less time "spinning its wheels" than Vista did.
Now to qualify all this - There is zero gaming going on here. The only things I run on my laptop are MS Office, Adobe CS3 suite, some mapping software, MS Expressions, and some miscellaneous web development apps. I also run Rhapsody, and have had no problems with DRM protected music or syncing to portable devices.
It would seem to me Microsoft knew 2008 would be used in non-server situations, since they included things like themes, aero interface, media player, laptop power management support, etc. That said, I cannot imagine any case where Server 2008 would be a good choice for someone who games or uses their machine as a multimedia PC. However, as a "workstation" using business productivity apps, I think it is a good option.
It only took 15 minutes to make the changes to "convert" 2008 for workstation use. Install Video and Audio drivers, enabling desktop themes, disabling IE Enhanced Security, disabling Shutdown Event Tracker, enabling Superfetch. Not quite the pain that some people make it out to be.
One final mystery - I get around 25% better battery life out of my laptop in 2008 compared to Vista. Same exact power settings, same programs running. That one I can't figure out, but I'm certainly happy about.
Server 2008, for my uses, seems to be a faster, better option. Boot time is about the same, however shutdown time seems to be significantly faster in 2008.
Basic things like file and network browsing and connecting to networks just seem to happen faster in 2008.
I don't have an exact explanation for this. My understanding is that multimedia related services present in Vista are not in Server 2008. This would seem to make sense, as in the less-overhead equals better performance theory. Regardless, Server 2008 seems to spend a lot less time "spinning its wheels" than Vista did.
Now to qualify all this - There is zero gaming going on here. The only things I run on my laptop are MS Office, Adobe CS3 suite, some mapping software, MS Expressions, and some miscellaneous web development apps. I also run Rhapsody, and have had no problems with DRM protected music or syncing to portable devices.
It would seem to me Microsoft knew 2008 would be used in non-server situations, since they included things like themes, aero interface, media player, laptop power management support, etc. That said, I cannot imagine any case where Server 2008 would be a good choice for someone who games or uses their machine as a multimedia PC. However, as a "workstation" using business productivity apps, I think it is a good option.
It only took 15 minutes to make the changes to "convert" 2008 for workstation use. Install Video and Audio drivers, enabling desktop themes, disabling IE Enhanced Security, disabling Shutdown Event Tracker, enabling Superfetch. Not quite the pain that some people make it out to be.
One final mystery - I get around 25% better battery life out of my laptop in 2008 compared to Vista. Same exact power settings, same programs running. That one I can't figure out, but I'm certainly happy about.
Look at the cost of vista, then look at the cost of server 2008... MS would love for people to purchase it for workstation use
Look at the cost of vista, then look at the cost of server 2008... MS would love for people to purchase it for workstation use
Ah yes, forgot to mention the MSDN access, so price was not an issue. Again not practical for the average home user.