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Will there be a 5830 Card?
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The 5770 and 5750 are coming out soon. NDA lifts on the 13th so I expect those cards to be available around then.
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Yeah, I would wait for the 5770 if you want the fastest card still suitable for a HTPC and gaming.
Well i have a dedicated HTPC and i dont play any games on it whatsoever so i was hoping to get the cheapest version just for the Audio, I can justify spending whatever just for the audio since the HTPC is just running Blu-rays in my Movie Theather 
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5750 will be the cheapest card you can get in the 5000 series for now. It would be around $129 which is not bad at all for a 5000 series.
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I think that ATI will have some low end cards announced somewhat soon. There is a big market for sub $100 cards. He doesn't game on that pc so no need to get a 5750 nor 5770.
Maybe two series lower than 5700. Look up Redwood and Cedar.
Maybe two series lower than 5700. Look up Redwood and Cedar.
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Here you go:
will have to wait till Q1 though.
will have to wait till Q1 though.
I'm afraid ATI missed the "sweet spot" this time, by about $60 and about 50 watts. The 5850 should have been the $199 card while the 57xx cards should have been $100. The 5870 should have been $299. That's how the 4800-series launched and that was an even bigger leap (from 320 stream processors to 800).
I'm also afraid the 5770 with its 128-bit interface and less than 1440 (but hopefully more than 800) stream processors won't be enough of a jump from a 4850 or 4870 to justify the upgrade... there's DX11 but I just don't see that becoming relevant for another 8-12 months at least. The 5770 looks mostly like a 4870 with DX11.
Maybe when Nvidia gets around to launching the Fermi, ATI will stop taking advantage of the fact that they were the first to market a DX11 card. ATI can be evil too - Surely the 4870 would have been more than $299 at launch if Nvidia's GTX2xx cards had been delayed for six months...
I'm also afraid the 5770 with its 128-bit interface and less than 1440 (but hopefully more than 800) stream processors won't be enough of a jump from a 4850 or 4870 to justify the upgrade... there's DX11 but I just don't see that becoming relevant for another 8-12 months at least. The 5770 looks mostly like a 4870 with DX11.
Maybe when Nvidia gets around to launching the Fermi, ATI will stop taking advantage of the fact that they were the first to market a DX11 card. ATI can be evil too - Surely the 4870 would have been more than $299 at launch if Nvidia's GTX2xx cards had been delayed for six months...
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5870 is 1600 stream processors. That is quite a jump.
Right now ATI has no competition so it is easy to figure out that they are going to start out high with the prices knowing that there are consumers that will buy their products. Don't believe me? Look HD 5000 series stock. It's hard to find a HD5850 in stock.
I'm sure the prices will come down though. Hopefully by Christmas there will be some sub $200 deals on HD5850.
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You don't have to be afraid. Try telling ATi that their cards are priced too high while they are selling all they can and have backorders. Then come back and tell us what they said in reponse.
that's true but there are a LOT of potential buyers that don't own 4850/4870 or similar cards. That card should sell well and ATI knows that there owners of older video cards that can easily justify the upgrade. 4850/4870 owners are not the target market for this card.
If they were honest they would say that they are taking advantage of the fact that Nvidia's DX11 cards are not out yet, trying to squeeze as much profit as possible from the cards before they have to lower the prices due to competition. This is exactly what Nvidia did with the GTX200, just before the 4800 series launched, and with the G80 before ATI got their act together and delivered decent DX10 GPUs. But they would never admit that. After all, ATI view themselves as the "good guys", building GPUs for the gamer while fighting the evil Nvidia that only care about profits.
Oh well, enjoy your $380 5870 cards. I'll be picking one up once Fermi is out, for about $229
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If they were honest they would say that they are taking advantage of the fact that Nvidia's DX11 cards are not out yet, trying to squeeze as much profit as possible from the cards before they have to lower the prices due to competition. This is exactly what Nvidia did with the GTX200, just before the 4800 series launched, and with the G80 before ATI got their act together and delivered decent DX10 GPUs. But they would never admit that. After all, ATI view themselves as the "good guys", building GPUs for the gamer while fighting the evil Nvidia that only care about profits.
Oh well, enjoy your $380 5870 cards. I'll be picking one up once Fermi is out, for about $229
You're gloating about picking up electronics months down the road for less $$. What a revelation, none of us knew that prices on electronics / computer components went down with time and newer technology.
I don't think AMD has to come out and say "since nvidia has no response, we're going to price them higher than the previous 4800 series cards". I'm also pretty sure 99% of the people who visit these forums know that already. Regardless, many of us are still willing to pay $380 for a 5870. I'll save 50 cents a day for the next 6 months and make up the money you saved on the 5870 when fermi comes out.
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Holy crap computer parts get cheaper over time? I've been doing it wrong all along.
If they were honest they would say that they are taking advantage of the fact that Nvidia's DX11 cards are not out yet, trying to squeeze as much profit as possible from the cards before they have to lower the prices due to competition. This is exactly what Nvidia did with the GTX200, just before the 4800 series launched, and with the G80 before ATI got their act together and delivered decent DX10 GPUs. But they would never admit that. After all, ATI view themselves as the "good guys", building GPUs for the gamer while fighting the evil Nvidia that only care about profits.
Oh well, enjoy your $380 5870 cards. I'll be picking one up once Fermi is out, for about $229
Í'm not that sure if AMD views themselves as good guys. At the end both AMD and Nvidia are both mainly interested in making profits. I don't prefer one over another anymore. Although its important to note that both Nvidia and AMD need these profits to invest and develop the next generation of video technology.
Its true the only reason AMD had cheaper cards last time was because they needed to compete with Nvidia. Their current prices are still not that bad IMHO and are reasonable for twhat they offer. The last video generation did have a pretty interesting competition, with lower prices that easily make you forget it hasn't always been that way.
Still the HD 5850 is better priced than I thought it would, if a $ 199 card comes out eventually too AMD would have covered all price points.
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While ATI HD5000 serires cards are somewhat high the prices do seem to correspond with the performance of the cards. I think NVIDIA cards are still pricey. So both NVIDIA and ATI are not blowing out their high end hardware for low prices just yet. Once the new 40nm NVIDIA cards come to town hopefully the competition will lower the new 5000 series prices.
32nm GPUs may effect current pricing as well. In general to me it seems like ATI still has nicer pricing than NVIDIA.
Oh well, enjoy your $380 5870 cards. I'll be picking one up once Fermi is out, for about $229
AMD will only adjust their prices to an ammount depending on what nVidia prices their Fermi that will compete with the 5870. If the Fermi performs better than the 5870 and nvidia prices it at ~$350 then AMD wont need to drop down to the $230 your suggesting, more like ~$300 to stay competitive.
I dont think either company is gunna cut their own throat to give you a cheap enthusiast level video card over the next few months.
Maybe once the 5000x2 variant is released it might drive down the prices of the fermi then 5800's, but i dont see a 5870 going for $230 for a while.
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no no you are right. video cards are an "investments".
seriously, im glad i dont see people use that word in same sentence as video card as much as a couple years back.
If all you're doing is HTPC and no gaming then a 5750 should be just fine.
A 5830 would fill the $200 price range and I suspect it wouldn't come out until the 4890 sells out.
Doesn't make sense for ATI to undercut their mid range value card leader.
A 5830 would fill the $200 price range and I suspect it wouldn't come out until the 4890 sells out.
Doesn't make sense for ATI to undercut their mid range value card leader.
so would anyone know that if there will be a 5830 coming out at all?
because with my 4850 and 4830 CF setup i am very happy with it
but as a computer tech addicit, i would like to to go to the 5000 series, even better if it is a 5800 series... but the price of 2 5850 is a little too much for me lol so i m hoping there will be 5830...
that is because the price of 5850 is expensive, and the 5770 seems to having a little limit to its memory bandwidth...
Thanks!
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because with my 4850 and 4830 CF setup i am very happy with it
but as a computer tech addicit, i would like to to go to the 5000 series, even better if it is a 5800 series... but the price of 2 5850 is a little too much for me lol so i m hoping there will be 5830...
that is because the price of 5850 is expensive, and the 5770 seems to having a little limit to its memory bandwidth...
Thanks!
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the price is only expensive because of supply issues and nvidia doesn't have anything out. expect a $20-$30 price cut once fermi launches early next year.
so my guess is no one other than ppl working in ATI would know if 5830 will ever be released right?
in a way i m kinda disappointed, because they do not have something betwee the 5770 and 5850... the gap is way too big =/
from $170USD to $310USD... nothing like $240USD...
in a way i m kinda disappointed, because they do not have something betwee the 5770 and 5850... the gap is way too big =/
from $170USD to $310USD... nothing like $240USD...
According to Nordic Hardware, ATi is planning to release a 5830 later this month:
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10553.html
http://www.nordichardware.com/news,10553.html
My guess is they are Cypress GPUs (HD 5850) that failed to meet minimum standards (ie somewhat defective) to be released as a HD 5850.
Instead of tossing them in the garbage, AMD de-tunes and disables some shaders and sells them as a lower end card.
Instead of tossing them in the garbage, AMD de-tunes and disables some shaders and sells them as a lower end card.
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If I get a 5770 now, you think the 5830 will be a good upgrade when it comes out?
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Dam man. I just told a guy I would buy his 5770 for 150 on monday locally.
It was replaced with the "better" 4770. Smaller fabrication process, gddr5(the bus was halved though), and cheaper to boot I think?
It's hard to find a 4770 under 100. I remember paying 80 for my 4830
Yeah, my friend got his 4830 for $90. I wasn't sure if that was with a special deal or something. The 4770 should run cooler and overclock better, and the added price is probably due to how expensive gddr5 is?
I believe the 4830 was introduced as a sink to get rid of all the crap 48xx cores that had mangled shaders or problems running higher frequencies with all 800 shaders. Once the cores are sold off, there's no real need to keep the card going (i.e. you wouldn't gimp cores that COULD do 800 shaders and the necessary frequencies to be put on a 4850 or 4870 and sell them as 4830's). Add the fact that the 4770, which was a test run in 40nm, was introduced at the same pricepoint, why would AMD compete with itself? My guess is you're seeing the same actions here - the 5870 and 5850 have been out long enough and the supply has stabilized to the point that AMD is accumulating these inferior cores. They introduce the 5830 to sell these cores off and cut their losses.
wow that actually that made a lot of sense. thanks