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Not on the desktop Linux if anything in the last couple of years has lost ground as far as a desktop OS.
Just as soon as MS puts a stamp on it it will. Right now you need a major company with a history of great desktop support and expirence to say. Yes this is ready for the consumer.
When that happens it will be reworked. It will have a codename from MS that makes people anticipate it that will leak out without a mention of it being based on a linux kernle. And it will be long after MS aquires a company known for a linux distro.
When it comes out some schmuck will login to it. Do an LS and scream linux distro. But they will be wrong. For microsoft will rebrand it completely.
But in essence... the core.. will be Linux.
So yes and no I guess.
Look at Vista. People are complaining about there being 5 versions.
Aren't there 4 versions? Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate. Am I missing one?
But I definately agree with your point. MS has been heavily criticized for the "confusing SKUs" they are using for Vista. It doesn't even begin to compare to the confusion that is Linux distribution.
I really haven't used Linux except for the odd time here and there but I was curious if Linux can become as popular as Windows? what do you think needs to be done to get it that popular?
Upgrade vs. Full, retail vs. OEM, x86 vs. x64, the 'N' versions.Aren't there 4 versions? Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Ultimate. Am I missing one?
But I definately agree with your point. MS has been heavily criticized for the "confusing SKUs" they are using for Vista. It doesn't even begin to compare to the confusion that is Linux distribution.
I really haven't used Linux except for the odd time here and there but I was curious if Linux can become as popular as Windows? what do you think needs to be done to get it that popular?
Upgrade vs. Full, retail vs. OEM, x86 vs. x64, the 'N' versions.
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I probably will catch flack for this, but...
What Linux needs is consistency and a central vision among all distrobutions. Its strengths are also its weaknesses. There are some very talented people in the open source community, but right now there is nothing really unifying their efforts.
With commercial operating systems and software, you have direction from executives and such. That is sorely lacking in the open source world. You have pockets of creativity, but once again, nothing to join those creative elements.
Also, the whole distribution thing hurts Linux. Linux has x market share, but that market share has to be divided by y distributions. That will always hurt your numbers. It also causes confusion among normal people. Have you ever had to explain what and why distributions exist? It's not fun. For this very reason is why we have presidential primaries.
QFT, Then problem with open OS like this is that every Joe on the street who knows how to get it working want to make their own distros.
Programme installation remains difficult, package managers between distros lack a common standard and by nature of the system it won't contain everything you might want. In many cases a MAKE/MAKE INSTALL is still needed and then you have to get what ever wierd library it needs.
The fact that you still need to use CLI's to get most system related things done is just not gonna fly for a comsumer OS
Wrong. The thing holding Linux back is that it is an open OS, as Hypernova has intimated. Too much variety for Joe Public.The thing holding back linux desktop adoption is vendor software support, plain and simple.
sorry but no you do not, you can do everything via gui, if you like......
I can right click on a system file and open it as root in gedit if I wished, granted its easier to open it via terminal, but the point still stands you can do almost anything via gui if you wanted, certains apps however you could not, unless it has a gui front end.
Read my post again, I didn't say that packet managers don't work, there is yet a simple .exe/.msi equivalent installer for linux which will work across at least 90% of all distros.I've heard complaints about software installation, but that's largely irrelevant too; yum works for 90% of the apps you need.
A text editer is not a GUI, I'm taking about something clickable with some words explaining what it does. I often service people who have trouble even typing stuff to set up their hotmail account. Most of your average Joe kinda people don't even know what /run/cmd does. I often see in gaming forums posts asking how to do a ping.
I don't think so. Not in the corporate environment at least; Linux boxes can be locked down tighter than a windows box. In other words, less variety. Most people have touched a RH OS who have played with linux at all.Wrong. The thing holding Linux back is that it is an open OS, as Hypernova has intimated. Too much variety for Joe Public.
The failure of a few does not indicate an overall failure of the concept. Lowes runs something linuxy, last I checked. They seem completely content with it.There have been a few attempts to penetrate the consumer sector recently, with very cheap systems being sold in supermarkets with Linux and a few open source apps bundled to keep the price dowm. They've been a dismal failure, and probably done nothing other than hurt the chances of Linux pentrating further for popularity as a desktop OS.
Read my post again, I didn't say that packet managers don't work, there is yet a simple .exe/.msi equivalent installer for linux which will work across at least 90% of all distros.
I really haven't used Linux except for the odd time here and there but I was curious if Linux can become as popular as Windows? what do you think needs to be done to get it that popular?
No. Try teaching an average joe how to figure out dependencies, recompiling a kernel, and telling him why the "Big Game Hunter" video game he bought at wal-mart for $10 won't work....
sorry then please clarify what system related things you were referring to, because I interpreted as say; editing a system file, that requires root privileges, and all I have to do in nautilus is go to the file, right click and from the scripts menu open as root in gedit.
as opposed to gksudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.list via terminal.
Stuff that does the editing for you ie a simple GUI front end. Having to edit a config file (sometimes with HEXEDIT) does not qualify. Like I said most of the non tech-savvy crowd would freak out the moment they open the files and give up immediatly.
From my perspective, exe/msis don't work all that well either. I have 200+ systems to install software on, and for a majority of those apps I have to physically go to the machine and install it. Hell, at least linux HAS a package manager, windows does not ( built in. Addon, in the form of zenworks, active directory, or SMS ).Read my post again, I didn't say that packet managers don't work, there is yet a simple .exe/.msi equivalent installer for linux which will work across at least 90% of all distros.
Stuff that does the editing for you ie a simple GUI front end. Having to edit a config file (sometimes with HEXEDIT) does not qualify. Like I said most of the non tech-savvy crowd would freak out the moment they open the files and give up immediatly.