You often see a huge stink created anytime someone gets word that a company or major body bans a new and upcoming software or Operating System. In the case of The National Institute of Standards and Technology however, they simply want an interim period to allow them to test it, and see no reason why they won’t be implementing it in the future.
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Why We Banned Vista
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GJSNeptune
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Heh. Standard procedure. Wonder if the Microsoft brand has anything to do with it.
I don't mind wanting to take some time to test it with existing company software/hardware and to tweak it accordingly. But to ban it? Geez.
I don't mind wanting to take some time to test it with existing company software/hardware and to tweak it accordingly. But to ban it? Geez.
Most companies and organizations are going to ban any new operating system until they make sure it works with everything.
Where I work, corporate policy is 100% the same: They don't want retarded knuckle draggers tossing a new, untested with corporate application OS on a company machine, then complaining to IT when something doesn't work.
Is this really a surprise to anyone? Honestly? How do you THINK it works? Companies merrily skipping into a new OS w/o any internal testing?
Where I work, corporate policy is 100% the same: They don't want retarded knuckle draggers tossing a new, untested with corporate application OS on a company machine, then complaining to IT when something doesn't work.
Is this really a surprise to anyone? Honestly? How do you THINK it works? Companies merrily skipping into a new OS w/o any internal testing?
LadyMakoFox
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Don't blame them, I wouldn't wana run something I didn't know worked 100% when money is at stake.
That is SOP for any organisation serious about IT policy integrity. I guess NIST has to use strong terms to make sure that everyone in the organisation knows what's what.
We used to find that users, laptop users in particular, would get comfortable with "their" laptop and start fucking around with them. One of our directors once even let their kid set up an XP/Linux dual boot on "their" laptop, and was all like "But he's a smart kid" when his Domain access wasn't working on monday morning and I had to go and reimage the laptop.
I nearly got reprimanded for my grumpy, pre-coffee, monday morning response: "it's not your Kids intelligence that's in question".
We started making every employee go to an IT policy workshop (which basically consisted of me or one of my co-admins saying "Your computer is for work, you can play the games that are already on it, or surf the web if you're bored/on a break, but if you do anything to or try to put anything on the computer that wasn't there when you got it, we will harm you", the culmination of the workshop was signing an IT policy document which included a stipulation that if they knowingly broke the Policy their employment could be summarily terminated.
They stopped fucking around after that.
You can damn well believe that any organisation whose operation depends on IT systems working continuously and reliably takes this sort of shit very seriously indeed, and in my book, actually changing OS without proper IT authority should be an auto-sack.
We used to find that users, laptop users in particular, would get comfortable with "their" laptop and start fucking around with them. One of our directors once even let their kid set up an XP/Linux dual boot on "their" laptop, and was all like "But he's a smart kid" when his Domain access wasn't working on monday morning and I had to go and reimage the laptop.
I nearly got reprimanded for my grumpy, pre-coffee, monday morning response: "it's not your Kids intelligence that's in question".
We started making every employee go to an IT policy workshop (which basically consisted of me or one of my co-admins saying "Your computer is for work, you can play the games that are already on it, or surf the web if you're bored/on a break, but if you do anything to or try to put anything on the computer that wasn't there when you got it, we will harm you", the culmination of the workshop was signing an IT policy document which included a stipulation that if they knowingly broke the Policy their employment could be summarily terminated.
They stopped fucking around after that.
You can damn well believe that any organisation whose operation depends on IT systems working continuously and reliably takes this sort of shit very seriously indeed, and in my book, actually changing OS without proper IT authority should be an auto-sack.
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Glad its happening. It will force microsoft to fix vista faster and better. More drivers and all that will come out most likely.Better support. Finally someones not settling for low quality.
Duh, it happened for Xp and 2k and etc.... Did you read the story?? It is a standard practice for most large firms, to wait and see, do internal testing and then roll out.... Hardly a slap in the face to MS..
Oh, and MS is not responsible for the crappy drivers of certain hardware vendors... The hardware vendors are...
Glad its happening. It will force microsoft to fix vista faster and better. More drivers and all that will come out most likely.Better support. Finally someones not settling for low quality.
What the? *knocks on your forehead* Anyone in there? You... do understand the word "ban" is just another word for slapping everyone on the wrist, pointing at them, and saying, "No!" in this case... right? No? Yes?
You should see how the government handles software. In fact, I ask you not to because you'd shrivel up and die. I have been waiting for at least a month now so they (the Government, I work for a museum at Dover Air Force Base) can verify Adobe Illustrator CS. They're testing it for holes in the software for network reasons.
Smell the roses in the morning, this is typical everyday business for big companies who have networks spread across the world.
I hate seeing this article on other spam blogs with comments of !!!!!!s saying, "Teaches Microsoft right!" Sheesh.purple_haze
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ya same here, at my local computer store where i work at the techs are totally against the use of sell vista to the customers, only to show a few system with it and mainly sell the rest with windows xp. The boss is an ignorant guy though and wanted vista on the gaming machine using ultimate. We found out how crappy the nvidia drivers were and that it couldnt multimonitor support so we had to roll back to xp
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Makes perfect sence. Hell I know with the group I work for we are not deploying any vista machines yet, will stay that way a few months.
Too many programs don't work with it yet or the client needs access to older programs that will never work with it.
Too many programs don't work with it yet or the client needs access to older programs that will never work with it.
Glad its happening. It will force microsoft to fix vista faster and better. More drivers and all that will come out most likely.Better support. Finally someones not settling for low quality.
Exactly. I dont like waiting for MS to get around to it. Im waiting for it to be 2 years old before getting it.
Go for it. As it is now, 100% of my hardware is supported with good drivers on both my laptop and desktop. I have yet to encounter a single bug in Vista, and program compatibility is more or less perfect. Only one program I use on a regular basis does not work (nLiteOS--used to create custom Windows XP CDs). Otherwise, I'm 100% content with Vista, as are a majority of the users on this forum who have *gasp* actually used it.
I'm running Vista on my laptop, and XP MCE2005 on my main desktop. I love Vista, and I miss a lot of its functionality and features when I use my desktop, but I can see why IT departments (or any business in general) would wait a bit until they roll it out. It happens with any OS used in a business environment, even Linux, OSX, Apache, Unix, etc.
Reading comprehension FTW.
Seriously. This is not new. Any new OS from any vendor gets the same treatment.
You think Linux just got slammed on a bunch of corporate servers one day out of the blue? Some smelly commie open source hippie got hired on screaming "the information wants to be FREE man!" and just started installing it at GigantoMega Corp.? No. They tested it. Did a cost/benefit analysis and then made the decision.
It will be the same with Vista, although I'm not sure if there will be a compelling business reason to adopt it. I like it. Vista Media Center rocks, but I don't think that's gonna fly with The Man and GigantoMega Corp.
Seriously. This is not new. Any new OS from any vendor gets the same treatment.
You think Linux just got slammed on a bunch of corporate servers one day out of the blue? Some smelly commie open source hippie got hired on screaming "the information wants to be FREE man!" and just started installing it at GigantoMega Corp.? No. They tested it. Did a cost/benefit analysis and then made the decision.
It will be the same with Vista, although I'm not sure if there will be a compelling business reason to adopt it. I like it. Vista Media Center rocks, but I don't think that's gonna fly with The Man and GigantoMega Corp.
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There is still corporations that will still run and always run Operating systems that aren't supported anymore. Like for Example, most of all of the client based systems in Formica during from 2 years ago was still running Windows 98 and the server side was running Windows 2000 line of products.
Now they have upgraded to Windows XP on the client side and still windows 2000 servers on the server base. They were afraid of the security problems on XP Pro that they didn't roll out Windows 2003 server on their servers. But they pressed their luck on putting XP on some of their office computers, where as some of the other people was forced to still use Windows 98.
Even today they won't use Vista for the same reason when they rolled out XP pro onto their machines, Security issues. Same goes for the other company my father worked for besides Formica.
But hey the employees or bosses still opened email attachments and spread pc viruses to other computers, then complain why Windows 98, Xp has security holes.
Now they have upgraded to Windows XP on the client side and still windows 2000 servers on the server base. They were afraid of the security problems on XP Pro that they didn't roll out Windows 2003 server on their servers. But they pressed their luck on putting XP on some of their office computers, where as some of the other people was forced to still use Windows 98.
Even today they won't use Vista for the same reason when they rolled out XP pro onto their machines, Security issues. Same goes for the other company my father worked for besides Formica.
But hey the employees or bosses still opened email attachments and spread pc viruses to other computers, then complain why Windows 98, Xp has security holes.
I am running VISTA on my Work laptop and XP at home what is it that you miss? I have yet to find a NEW COMPELLING feature in vista other than maybe the start menu search function, which is OK at best.
At any rate as the branch tech for my company I decided to run VISTA and Office 2007 on my primary system to get to know the product before it becomes common. I have access to XP through remote desktop or Virtual Machines so I can work around any thing I need to run if it is not compatible.
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I can't say I blame them. I'm not rolling it out at my job yet because of severe licensing problems the VLK system will create (systems are away from our network way more than 180 days at a time), as well as some VPN networking issues we've been having with Vista test machines. Give it time; I'm running Vista at home and happy with it, but it is by no means ready for enterprise deployment.
Start Menu Search
Windows DVD Maker
Windows Calendar
Windows Defender
Windows Photo Gallery
Windows Photo Editor (blows MSPaint away)
Windows Media Center
Aero
Superfetching
Sidebar
Need I go on?
Start Menu Search
Windows DVD Maker
Windows Calendar
Windows Defender
Windows Photo Gallery
Windows Photo Editor (blows MSPaint away)
Windows Media Center
Aero
Superfetching
Sidebar
Need I go on?
InorganicMatter: some of those on the list I could live without (Defender, Photo Editor, the Sidebar, etc), but overall you have it correct. Add the ease I've had with multiple Media Center Extenders on the same network and small (but overall, significant) file structure organization/function changes to the list and it's pretty much spot-on.
BillR
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I bought Vista Ultimate the day after it came out. I spent up until this past Wednesday trying my best to break it. I find it easier to break new things so I keep ahead of the learning curve to handle customer-based issues. A few small patches here and there for VPN and a couple of other things will come along and that should be it.
Should be is the key. This if the first of any MS manufactured OS that is just about the first good out of the box experience I have ever enjoyed. This of course will create a huge problem for Microsoft in that most people wont buy until SP-1 is released.
Unless some new wonderful file system comes along I see no reason for an SP. Firewall properly configured actually does a nice job with incoming, could do better with outgoing, again, a small patch, but then MS is stuck being sued by third part people as they were before.
If I am royally upset it is about those third party vendors who having had what, 2 years to get their act together simply didnt do it. It is not, nor should it ever be the OS makers job of supplying you with drivers. That said, Vista comes with one hell of a lot of drives on the DVD for legacy product.
The biggest issue I see and have always seen is the position corporations take on software upgrades. Face it if you have hundreds if not thousands of machines running just fine on Win2k, why upgrade? Forget the easy part like IT having to image all the new machines and remember the hard part, most of the same corporations are not all that hip on hardware upgrades either simply because if stuff isnt broken why fix it and will all those Dell et al Celerons sold for cheap, Vista is simply not a viable upgrade when you take into account the hardware needed and then of course the requisite employee training that add immeasurably to the end cost for the company.
Also in reading all over these and many other forums it is apparent that only the very few have looked at adding to their new install many features that exist on the disk. I was looking for a few features in Vista I couldnt fine and boom; just add them from the disk. Click on Default Programs and at the bottom left you will see Programs and Features and in the next screen you will see, again on the bottom left you will see Turn Windows features on and off. Dont overlook this; there is a bunch of good stuff still left on the disk.
One more, to me anyway, relevant point. No body should ever do any sort of upgrade install to an existing install. The money you supposedly save will cost you a fortune in the long run. It sucked with win-95 and from what I see hasnt improved much since
Hmmm
Start Menu Search - yes I find this useful
Windows Calendar - Already use outlook, and it works under XP, can it sync with my PDA like outlook?
Windows Defender - Other than Spybot there are many nice spyware tools available, not normally a high priority for me anyway
Windows Photo Gallery - not exactly amazing, and there are piles of free alternatives.
Windows Photo Editor - I bet Paint.net gives it a run for its money, and it is also free
Aero - 3d task managers is in no way more functional than the 2D one. Does it do anything else other than visual gimics?
Superfetching - Super Ram HOG, although it is supposed to free up to let programs work, it normally results in HD swaping even on a 1GB system
Sidebar - http://www.samurize.com/ even then I don't use these kinds of things.
You may go on.... everyones use is different, VISTA doesn't enhance my work pattern, in fact it slows me down as an admin, because things like the management MMC are not as functional when connecting to XP and 2k3 hosts as the XP version, and you need to jump through some hoops to get some other managment tools running.