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Why VGA?

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DrinkTea

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Why do GPU manufacturers release any cards with VGA out? Are they lazy? Cheap? Afraid of change? The only people still using CRTs seem to be those who play fast-twitch games. And besides, there are DVI-I to VGA adapters.
So, what gives? Why throw a useless output on a card? If anyone has any idea why, I'm curious. Please no speculation.
 
I know of many many people and place with LCD monitors connected via VGA. I think they are afraid to unhook the end that's connected to the PC so they keep using the same cable.

On top of this, there are a bajillion PC's out there older than dirt running on embedded graphics that do not offer DVI ports.... It probably all adds up to monitors and discrete cards still offering VGA.
 
I just setup and bought a new Lenovo PC for a customer. Brand new computer from 2013, had a VGA port. Good thing too, because that is what he is using for his LCD from ~3-4 years ago.
 
Probably depends on the cost of the video card. Cheaper cards are more likely to be used by customers using older/cheaper monitors on VGA.

I haven't had a VGA port on my video cards in a long time, but I've been purchasing the top-tier cards (5870, GTX580, GTX680, etc).
 
and who told you that VGA are only CRT's?? many new LCD, LED, tv's and monitors are still based on VGA ports..
 
Because some older monitors and TVs look like crap over HDMI from a computer.
 
Araxie said:
and who told you that VGA are only CRT's?? many new LCD, LED, tv's and monitors are still based on VGA ports..
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Yes thats the reason why vga ports on cards will still be around for a few more years.
 
....and VGA doesn't have to terminate in VGA, there are still lots of situations where the VGA port is used with the other end terminating in BNC cables.

Some of us still have nice CRTs and USE them. Try getting 100+ hz out of your average off the shelf LCD monitor.....

It's nice to have options.
 
I still run several VGA setups. And what happens when I don't have a DVI cable? Almost everything has VGA ports... If anything I'd like them to keep every fkin port here out. Sometimes all I need is basic display.
 
DrinkTea said:
Why do GPU manufacturers release any cards with VGA out? Are they lazy? Cheap? Afraid of change? The only people still using CRTs seem to be those who play fast-twitch games. And besides, there are DVI-I to VGA adapters.
So, what gives? Why throw a useless output on a card? If anyone has any idea why, I'm curious. Please no speculation.
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Unless you're using a low-end card, it is likely NOT to have VGA on it anymore. Usually the standard fair these days is 2x DVI + HDMI or DVI + HDMI + DP or some combination thereof.

If you're using a low end card, why does the VGA port on it bother you, since it likely still has DVI and/or HDMI anyway.
 
DrinkTea said:
Why do GPU manufacturers release any cards with VGA out? Are they lazy? Cheap? Afraid of change? The only people still using CRTs seem to be those who play fast-twitch games. And besides, there are DVI-I to VGA adapters.
So, what gives? Why throw a useless output on a card? If anyone has any idea why, I'm curious. Please no speculation.
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There are way more legacy and even brand new devices using VGA than you think. I just bought a brand new $500 LCD guess what it had on it? VGA, DVI and HDMI.

The real problem is that display standards IE display port and HDMI were made by a bunch of utter morons and they didn't make a rhobust ahead of its time display standard so neither of them really took hold like they are suppose to.

If you go to any place where presentations are done most of the time you are forced to do VGA as well. less then 1 years ago my friend bought a laptop from HP and we were delighted to see it had a VGA port because all the projectors only have those.

VGA is cheap and really rhobust, I actually hooked up a 2570x1440 monitor to a VGA output and it worked, lol HDMI can only do that on some video cards just now.

Also keep in mind that most of the outputs are already included on the chips for a video out device so putting VGA on costs them very little more, maybe 20 cents for the connector, its only a matter of if they have space.
 
Araxie said:
and who told you that VGA are only CRT's?? many new LCD, LED, tv's and monitors are still based on VGA ports..
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Indeed. Go look at the cutting edge Korean 1440p monitors with every input INCLUDING (wait for it..) .. VGA!

Its not going away because there is obvious need for it to continued to be supported and besides why does it matter that it MUST go away?
 
DrinkTea said:
Why do GPU manufacturers release any cards with VGA out? Are they lazy? Cheap? Afraid of change? The only people still using CRTs seem to be those who play fast-twitch games. And besides, there are DVI-I to VGA adapters.
So, what gives? Why throw a useless output on a card? If anyone has any idea why, I'm curious. Please no speculation.
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There are millions upon millions of computer illiterate consumers and users who are using old technology that rely on VGA to connect everything together. Even with modern ultrabooks and towers customers still ask simple questions of how to connect X to Y, or what cables they need, need something to plug into the "blue port", or need to hook up to this old projector. Additionally, in the laptop segment, many low to mid end laptops, and low to mid end monitors (from brick and mortar stores like Best Buy or Walmart) only sport VGA output. The issue of backwards compatibility is so great, too much inertia to keep it the same, that manufacturers (mid to low end segments) rather keep an old existing standard than replace it with something new, for risk of alienating their majority userbase. It's also the same reason why USB 2.0 is still hanging around after 11+ years - there's simply too many devices that utilize it, and it's become the defacto standard for connections. It's the lowest common denominator for video output. For every one of us on [H], there's a thousand still using VGA to hook up that 15" 1280x1024 monitor from 2006.
 
sakerfalcon said:
For every one of us on [H], there's a thousand still using VGA to hook up that 15" 1280x1024 monitor from 2006.
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Oh bud you don't know how i still love my oldie 17" HP 1710 LCD 1280x1204. I use 2 of them at work.. And one in my little bro pc on my house..
 
Business - Projectors.

You will always get that one guy whinging about incompatibility.
It frustrates me when I see uni computers with a dvi port on the monitor and the pc yet there is a vga connecting the two.
 
JayJapanB said:
Business - Projectors.

You will always get that one guy whinging about incompatibility.
It frustrates me when I see uni computers with a dvi port on the monitor and the pc yet there is a vga connecting the two.
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Most of the time the cheaper VGA cable comes in the box, so the tech isn't going to throw them out and buy all new DVI cables he just throws it on there.
 
rudy said:
Most of the time the cheaper VGA cable comes in the box, so the tech isn't going to throw them out and buy all new DVI cables he just throws it on there.
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Yeah, I know that from my own monitor purchasing experiences (old tn panels I bought)
Not blaming the businesses/institutions. I have more of an issue with VGA being something still distributed.
 
VGA is pretty much the last bastion of the analog world in regards with displays. Even component inputs for monitors are disappearing but VGA has remained as the single analog input. On higher end graphics cards, I'd agree that they're largely a waste. Especially given every card I've owned since my Radeon 9800 Pro has come with a DVI-to-VGA adapter. But on budget cards? They're often put into largely antiquated systems that had their Geforce FX 5200 finally die and just need something on the cheap for basic video. As such, they're probably going to be used with VGA. Not to mention I still see budget LCD monitors that only have VGA input, though those are few and far between these days.
 
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