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why do you think pirates pirate?
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the official reading of the riot act
personal admission of piracy and or encouragement of piracy
is a violation of the rules
(18) You will not discuss, suggest, engage, or encourage any ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. Links provided to locations that deal with any such activity are also expressly forbidden.
these threads always start out innocently, but failure to properly couch your statements and arguments in the proper hypothetical context and qualifiers will see members written up and possibly banned (depending on past transgression)
fair warning
also, don't "guess" what the law is
look it up
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/
http://free-culture.org/
http://www.drmblog.com/
http://swpat.ffii.org/
http://www.eff.org/
the laws of the USA and specifically the State of Texas apply in the determination of "illegal"
play nice, have fun and remember plausible deniability
few of these threads die from old age
personal admission of piracy and or encouragement of piracy
is a violation of the rules
(18) You will not discuss, suggest, engage, or encourage any ILLEGAL ACTIVITIES. Links provided to locations that deal with any such activity are also expressly forbidden.
these threads always start out innocently, but failure to properly couch your statements and arguments in the proper hypothetical context and qualifiers will see members written up and possibly banned (depending on past transgression)
fair warning
also, don't "guess" what the law is
look it up
http://www.copyright.gov/title17/
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/
http://free-culture.org/
http://www.drmblog.com/
http://swpat.ffii.org/
http://www.eff.org/
the laws of the USA and specifically the State of Texas apply in the determination of "illegal"
play nice, have fun and remember plausible deniability
few of these threads die from old age
Monkey34
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Personally, I feel people "pirate" because our society is into a "its all about me" attitude. There is less caring of others, and more self-centered-ness. I could use my fingers to count how many times I've heard people say "I've got to take care of me first", but I would run out.
Remember the ad-campaign "Just do it"?
((monkey34 sits back to watch the show))
Remember the ad-campaign "Just do it"?
((monkey34 sits back to watch the show))
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personally I think it depends
one the one hand its the huge economic divide between the haves and have nots (locally, regionally and worldwide)
the feeling of entitlement you mention and a healthy dose of straight out rebellion against the the digitization of our culture(s)
from the http://fairuse.stanford.edu/ link
Free Culture by Stanford Law Professor Lawrence Lessig
one the one hand its the huge economic divide between the haves and have nots (locally, regionally and worldwide)
the feeling of entitlement you mention and a healthy dose of straight out rebellion against the the digitization of our culture(s)
from the http://fairuse.stanford.edu/ link
Free Culture by Stanford Law Professor Lawrence Lessig
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Draax said:
This board employs English, I "thought" the instructions above where quite clear, but obviously not.
personal admission of piracy
and or encouragement of piracy
is a VIOLATION of the rules
the proximity of the deleted post to that warning doesnt bode well for your continued survival
avoid habitats with large predators lest you become someone's breakfast
its best to avoid statements in the first person all together
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For the price of 4 games I can get an AMD 64 3500+. That could be a contributing factor to their piracy.
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I buy all my DVD's and music but that damn wraping around the DVD and then they tape every damn corner of the DVD shut is plain annoying as crap and sometimes I just think its worth steeling just to avoid their security wrapping.
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I think that there is a mixture of motives.
With really expensive software such as development tools like MathCAD, MATLAB, AutoCAD, PSpice, Xilinx, etc..... maybe even artsy fartsy shit like Adobe and Macromedia products get pirated because people are curious and want to play. Most of the time businesses and people who are using these to make profits and promote their company are going to pay for it to insure legal licensing to avoid other legal implications in the future.
Students can't afford this stuff, the student version of most of those listed are reasonaly affordable ranging from free to I think I've seen $300 for some academic versions. Where with MATLAB the 2CD fully plugin loaded version costs $135,000 which is a tad bit extreme for someone who is curious and just wants to play around and learn. I don't think this kind of pirating is what's under fire though.
More popular targets such as Gaming and Windows that is hugely popular and without much effort can find incredible fast and easy downloads becomes a do it because they can scenario or an issue of it being its hard to plop down $50-60 bucks when its so easy to get it for free.
With really expensive software such as development tools like MathCAD, MATLAB, AutoCAD, PSpice, Xilinx, etc..... maybe even artsy fartsy shit like Adobe and Macromedia products get pirated because people are curious and want to play. Most of the time businesses and people who are using these to make profits and promote their company are going to pay for it to insure legal licensing to avoid other legal implications in the future.
Students can't afford this stuff, the student version of most of those listed are reasonaly affordable ranging from free to I think I've seen $300 for some academic versions. Where with MATLAB the 2CD fully plugin loaded version costs $135,000 which is a tad bit extreme for someone who is curious and just wants to play around and learn. I don't think this kind of pirating is what's under fire though.
More popular targets such as Gaming and Windows that is hugely popular and without much effort can find incredible fast and easy downloads becomes a do it because they can scenario or an issue of it being its hard to plop down $50-60 bucks when its so easy to get it for free.
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for the price of all the movies you buy, you could get a new video card....
i think it's a combination of price, availability, perceived anonymity, and the very low chance of prosecution
i mean, a person could save $20-30K by stealing a car instead of buying one, but most people won't do it since it's not that easy to do, and there's a good chance you will get caught and punished if you continue to drive said stolen car... also, there's an easily seen 'victim' of the crime
when you talk about software, the large faceless software corporation doesn't match the profile of a 'victim', stealing is incredibly easy to do, and the anonymity of the internet means that prosecution is unlikely even if you continue to use the product for years
i mean, a person could save $20-30K by stealing a car instead of buying one, but most people won't do it since it's not that easy to do, and there's a good chance you will get caught and punished if you continue to drive said stolen car... also, there's an easily seen 'victim' of the crime
when you talk about software, the large faceless software corporation doesn't match the profile of a 'victim', stealing is incredibly easy to do, and the anonymity of the internet means that prosecution is unlikely even if you continue to use the product for years
Alot of people Pirate photoshop and I know probably 80% of computer users have pirated it. Now everybody could go buy elements gor $50-80 but that's not the same as Photoshop CS which last time I checked is like $300.
There are quite a few differences between the programs.
I have another reason to add but I'm not sure if it's against the rules....
There are quite a few differences between the programs.
I have another reason to add but I'm not sure if it's against the rules....
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one more time with feeling godamnit !!
the use of the word I
is hereby banned from this thread, there will be no admisssions, self confessions, incriminations, irregardless of whatever applicable statute of limitations may apply
the next transgression sees the thread locked.
well you can use I, but not if its I used to, I once apon a time , I currently ect
Ive thought, I think, I saw, ect can still be employed, but this isnt a confessional
Im sure there is a local Church not far from your present location if you feel you must unburden your soul
a statement like I was once young and dumb
easily implys what you mean without stating it
"You only lie to two people in your life:
Your girlfriend and the police."
- Jack Nicholson
now there are 3
the use of the word I
is hereby banned from this thread, there will be no admisssions, self confessions, incriminations, irregardless of whatever applicable statute of limitations may apply
the next transgression sees the thread locked.
well you can use I, but not if its I used to, I once apon a time , I currently ect
Ive thought, I think, I saw, ect can still be employed, but this isnt a confessional
Im sure there is a local Church not far from your present location if you feel you must unburden your soul
a statement like I was once young and dumb
easily implys what you mean without stating it
"You only lie to two people in your life:
Your girlfriend and the police."
- Jack Nicholson
now there are 3
You are really strict with those rules.
Even a far stretch counts as a no no.
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In summery, Windows is worth it. A program that you use 100% of the time is well worth $90. People want to believe otherwise.
If you can't afford Photoshop, then buy PS Elements. It probably does everything 90% of people would use Photoshop for anyway. I am still using 2.0 that I bought a few years ago. All I ever do is simple color adjustments. I doubt 3.0 could really improve on what I use it for. But I doubt many people know about it. Maybe Adobe should advertise it more because it has a lot more chance of being bought because it is under $100 and can do most stuff PS can do.
Even a far stretch counts as a no no.
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In summery, Windows is worth it. A program that you use 100% of the time is well worth $90. People want to believe otherwise.
If you can't afford Photoshop, then buy PS Elements. It probably does everything 90% of people would use Photoshop for anyway. I am still using 2.0 that I bought a few years ago. All I ever do is simple color adjustments. I doubt 3.0 could really improve on what I use it for. But I doubt many people know about it. Maybe Adobe should advertise it more because it has a lot more chance of being bought because it is under $100 and can do most stuff PS can do.
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I deleted the first post for exactly the same past tense reason
the policy in these threads has been hashed and rehashed again and this is the compromise we reached inorder to allow these discussions of a very pertinent topic
by distancing it in a literal sense thus sticking it into a hypothetical or observational mode
we are able to preserve our own plausible deniability
while there are general guidelines in the published rules, exactly how they are interpreted has been worked out over time and its often in relation to a given topic
for instance we could discuss the specifics of wardriving \ hotspot mapping
but not even the implication that such a private WiFi would be accessed is tolerated
few subjects have been as tested as piracy and copyrights, thus we know exactly where the line is, and why I posted the specific interprtation as the 2nd post
the policy in these threads has been hashed and rehashed again and this is the compromise we reached inorder to allow these discussions of a very pertinent topic
by distancing it in a literal sense thus sticking it into a hypothetical or observational mode
we are able to preserve our own plausible deniability
while there are general guidelines in the published rules, exactly how they are interpreted has been worked out over time and its often in relation to a given topic
for instance we could discuss the specifics of wardriving \ hotspot mapping
but not even the implication that such a private WiFi would be accessed is tolerated
few subjects have been as tested as piracy and copyrights, thus we know exactly where the line is, and why I posted the specific interprtation as the 2nd post
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I don't know about those who use illegal methods to obtain programs, but I imagine the ones who do so with games are losing interest in the hobby. They don't want to pay for something they're not completely excited about, yet they want to give it a try. I've heard of people who do that and they probably never finish what they get because some of the excitement would be lost. They get it, play it a little while, then delete it because it just isn't as entertaining as it used to be for them.
I think price is the factor for programs. Modders, for example, need good programs to use for their textures. They don't have any financial support, so they use illegal means to obtain things like Photoshop or 3D animation programs (Which are quite expensive).
**EDIT**
Used "I", but not in that context. It wasn't "I know" or anything like that.
I think price is the factor for programs. Modders, for example, need good programs to use for their textures. They don't have any financial support, so they use illegal means to obtain things like Photoshop or 3D animation programs (Which are quite expensive).
**EDIT**
Used "I", but not in that context. It wasn't "I know" or anything like that.
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ROFL!
I knew it wouldnt be long. This is much better than watching old tv re-runs!
(eye) wonder if (eye) know who Grey is talking about...
Anyway...(eye) think that most of it is done due to either curiosity about products(games, operating systems, etc.), or an unwillingness to shell out of an overly expensive software product, without looking into other, more legal means (or, in the GIMP's case, freeware alternatives). (eye) got copies of VMWare, Virtual PC, Norton Antivirus Corporate Editions through the school(s) (eye) worked for, either as work tools (NAV), or as suppliments for the learning process (VMWare & Virtual PC).
Any of the above products cost hundreds of dollars by theirselves. Thankfully, academic outlets allow a cheaper purchase (or give them to you outright, in the above cases)...but this does not apply to all software items.
Also, 180 day trial software, for MS Products, can be a nice way of staying legal, but with the aggrevation of a format every 6 months.
Anyway...(eye) think that most of it is done due to either curiosity about products(games, operating systems, etc.), or an unwillingness to shell out of an overly expensive software product, without looking into other, more legal means (or, in the GIMP's case, freeware alternatives). (eye) got copies of VMWare, Virtual PC, Norton Antivirus Corporate Editions through the school(s) (eye) worked for, either as work tools (NAV), or as suppliments for the learning process (VMWare & Virtual PC).
Any of the above products cost hundreds of dollars by theirselves. Thankfully, academic outlets allow a cheaper purchase (or give them to you outright, in the above cases)...but this does not apply to all software items.
Also, 180 day trial software, for MS Products, can be a nice way of staying legal, but with the aggrevation of a format every 6 months.
Well,
I am probably the only guy here who sent Justin $10 to register Winamp back in the day, although mp3s suck. I listen to vinyl almost exclusively, and I don't play games - except with 39 year-old women.
That said, I believe that a lot of people do it just to try the product, or just because they can. Why steal software when there is almost invariably a freeware, or open source, alternative which is most likely better anyway?
The bottom line is that this sort of activity gives the government justification to regulate the Internet. It wants to anyway, and the reason is so it can get its mitts on extra tax money. The government doesn't really give a damn about downloading, kiddie porn, or anything else, but it rips out part of its bureaucratic soul, assuming it has one, to see money changing hands without getting a piece of it. Piracy, etc. will continue until the government steps in, and manages to completely ruin the Internet for the rest of us.
That's my 2¢ on the subject.
I am probably the only guy here who sent Justin $10 to register Winamp back in the day, although mp3s suck. I listen to vinyl almost exclusively, and I don't play games - except with 39 year-old women.
That said, I believe that a lot of people do it just to try the product, or just because they can. Why steal software when there is almost invariably a freeware, or open source, alternative which is most likely better anyway?
The bottom line is that this sort of activity gives the government justification to regulate the Internet. It wants to anyway, and the reason is so it can get its mitts on extra tax money. The government doesn't really give a damn about downloading, kiddie porn, or anything else, but it rips out part of its bureaucratic soul, assuming it has one, to see money changing hands without getting a piece of it. Piracy, etc. will continue until the government steps in, and manages to completely ruin the Internet for the rest of us.
That's my 2¢ on the subject.
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I think many people pirate so they can try to get their friends to play the same game w/ them, but their friend won't go buy the game. That and trying to make a backup of a 50 dollar game so when your 4 year old son gets his hands on it and scratches the crap out of it, you have another play disc. God do I wish they would just stop with the whole play disc crap and just let you play the damn game like it used to be.
Most pirates I know buy the software they pirate later.
Unfortuantely, it's almost impossible to return games (ironically because of priacy) and most gamers are on an extremely limited budget. Many can only afford a game every quarter, and don't want to blow their game funds on a dud that ends up squirreled away in a wallet, 'flipped' to a friend at a loss, etc. I buy all of my games, but I usually wait until its down to $30 or less - Unless I have a chance to play it at a friends house and see that I really like it, then I'll pay as much as $50. I, and everyone I know, simply can't afford dud games. I wish I could have the $55 I spent on Doom3, as well as the $50 on WoW. On the other hand, the $40 each I spent on UT2004 and Warhammer 40K Dawn of War has been some of the best entertainment dollars I've ever spent.
Also, to Standpoint, backups are authorized for software of which you are legal license holder. However "Secure off-site storage" at your friend's house is not a backup
Unfortuantely, it's almost impossible to return games (ironically because of priacy) and most gamers are on an extremely limited budget. Many can only afford a game every quarter, and don't want to blow their game funds on a dud that ends up squirreled away in a wallet, 'flipped' to a friend at a loss, etc. I buy all of my games, but I usually wait until its down to $30 or less - Unless I have a chance to play it at a friends house and see that I really like it, then I'll pay as much as $50. I, and everyone I know, simply can't afford dud games. I wish I could have the $55 I spent on Doom3, as well as the $50 on WoW. On the other hand, the $40 each I spent on UT2004 and Warhammer 40K Dawn of War has been some of the best entertainment dollars I've ever spent.
Also, to Standpoint, backups are authorized for software of which you are legal license holder. However "Secure off-site storage" at your friend's house is not a backup
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I think a lot of people pirate for "bragging rights". I'm sure the vast majority of those who pirate Photoshop think they're "cool" for having such a high-end program, even if they really don't need or use it for its full capabilities. I mean, if all you're going to do is crop/resize images, IrfanView is free and launches a heck of a lot faster.
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Why pirate? Money (or lack of), easy of use, and that feeling of superiority.
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Acccording to a supreme court judge in the US (cant recall what state)
It was decided that people who obtain software illegalyCAN NOT be refered to as "pirates"
Since pirates (arrrrrrrr! m8ty) do still exist to this day and their actions are far different then that of people whom obtain software in an illegal manner. (killing, raping, theft etc)
It was decided that people who obtain software illegalyCAN NOT be refered to as "pirates"
Since pirates (arrrrrrrr! m8ty) do still exist to this day and their actions are far different then that of people whom obtain software in an illegal manner. (killing, raping, theft etc)
because they can... the theory has been advanced before that if the price of software was halved, the same people would still do it... i wholeheartedly agree... most people who steal use the rationale of "that greedy so and so is making enough money..." (or an excuse along those lines)...
as far as the "they don't have enough money" excuse... that's all it is... an excuse... if you don't have enough money, you don't get to play... that's life... you don't get to steal if you can't afford, unless i've missed something in the constitution or the bill of rights (speaking parochially as an american there )...
software isn't food... you don't NEED it to survive...
as far as the "they don't have enough money" excuse... that's all it is... an excuse... if you don't have enough money, you don't get to play... that's life... you don't get to steal if you can't afford, unless i've missed something in the constitution or the bill of rights (speaking parochially as an american there
)... software isn't food... you don't NEED it to survive...
In general, the Genie is out of the bottle...
Napster was quite successful due to its ease of use and wide selection. This introduced the Jane & Joe Sixpacks of the world (those that go to Beast Buy and get a $200 after rebates computer and then wonder why it won't meet their needs/last) to "piracy." Instead of spending $20+ on one cd (outlandish prices, considering) just to get one/two good songs, they realized they could download a copy of those specific songs (all be it not a quality copy) quickly for free. Not understanding copyright law - heck, I went to law school and still do not have the nuances completely down pat - the Sixpacks did not understand that they were harming the record companies (arguably they have not) and the performers/owners of those songs.
However, look at the response to the situation. Suing obviously may have stopped some of the Sixpacks from downloading, but has made the recording industry look like baffoons, and has made those who are wiser adjust their downloading, so as to be hard to trace.
Further, in response, the prices of music cds, and dvds, are dropping. A positive effect.
The question then is will this same effect appear with software? I think it already has. Microsoft has responded by attempting ( and failing) to block "piracy" of its OS and software. They also have come out with cheaper versions in hopes of preventing. After all some $ is better than no $. Look at McAfee and Norton's antivirus ( software I have seen pirated regularly, even tho there are comparable free antivirus proggies easily googled) their "free after rebates" set up has got to be a reaction. (Digressing, who would trust a pirated copy of antivirus or antispyware?)
So, if the piracy continues will consumers (particularly the Sixpacks) benefit from lower pricing?
Napster was quite successful due to its ease of use and wide selection. This introduced the Jane & Joe Sixpacks of the world (those that go to Beast Buy and get a $200 after rebates computer and then wonder why it won't meet their needs/last) to "piracy." Instead of spending $20+ on one cd (outlandish prices, considering) just to get one/two good songs, they realized they could download a copy of those specific songs (all be it not a quality copy) quickly for free. Not understanding copyright law - heck, I went to law school and still do not have the nuances completely down pat - the Sixpacks did not understand that they were harming the record companies (arguably they have not) and the performers/owners of those songs.
However, look at the response to the situation. Suing obviously may have stopped some of the Sixpacks from downloading, but has made the recording industry look like baffoons, and has made those who are wiser adjust their downloading, so as to be hard to trace.
Further, in response, the prices of music cds, and dvds, are dropping. A positive effect.
The question then is will this same effect appear with software? I think it already has. Microsoft has responded by attempting ( and failing) to block "piracy" of its OS and software. They also have come out with cheaper versions in hopes of preventing. After all some $ is better than no $. Look at McAfee and Norton's antivirus ( software I have seen pirated regularly, even tho there are comparable free antivirus proggies easily googled) their "free after rebates" set up has got to be a reaction. (Digressing, who would trust a pirated copy of antivirus or antispyware?)
So, if the piracy continues will consumers (particularly the Sixpacks) benefit from lower pricing?
ccotenj said:because they can... the theory has been advanced before that if the price of software was halved, the same people would still do it... i wholeheartedly agree... most people who steal use the rationale of "that greedy so and so is making enough money..." (or an excuse along those lines)...
as far as the "they don't have enough money" excuse... that's all it is... an excuse... if you don't have enough money, you don't get to play... that's life... you don't get to steal if you can't afford, unless i've missed something in the constitution or the bill of rights (speaking parochially as an american there
software isn't food... you don't NEED it to survive...
I disagree with your last paragraph. Many students pirate software for educational purposes. A friend of mine ....... pirated software because it was essential to stay on the same competitive playing field as other industrial / graphic designers with the same software. When you get into specialized design fields, Photoshop and illustrator clones just dont cut it. Especially when you are taught Adobe Photoshop and illustrator as part of the curriculum.
In addition im not sure how adobe justifies the massive price tag on each consecutive release, when the program has been largely unchanged since the original version. Sure there are more filters, mostly useless, and cliché tools, but they do not justify the cost. The development costs for the original Photoshop code were recuperated with the first release. The fact that the price tag remains the same, with minor changes to the program and the same base code, is ammunition enough for many people to pirate the program. Every release of Photoshop should be called and priced for what it really is.... an expansion. I mean just imagine paying hundreds for each small update to your OS.
In order to get to the point where you can afford design programs such as Adobe Photoshop / illustrator, you need to get a good job. To get a good job you need to do well in school, especially in design fields where you need to finish near the top of your class. To finish near the top of your class you need to have the ability, but this needs to be supplemented with the right tools for the job. Lets face it, no matter how talented you are, if someone does a tight rendering with markers, with pastels and guache for highlights, your rendering in crayons is not going to come close.
I dont know too many students who can afford to pay such hefty premiums to stay competitive.
Besides if someone pirates Photoshop, learns the program, gets proficent with it, they are going to buy the software when they can afford it anyway, because they don't know how to use anything else.
too bad... again, there's no "right" to be an "industrial/graphic designer"...
as to how they "justify" the cost... they don't have to... again speaking parochially, there's no rules that say you are only allowed "x percentage of profit" on your product... you are allowed to charge what the market will bear... that's capitalism...
now, if you are asking if i think they SHOULD have a massive price tag on each release, you MIGHT get a different answer from me... that being said, i'm not going to presume to know what adobe's cost per release is (as you are doing), so i'm not prepared to say that i definitively think they charge "too much"... also, what you are ignoring is that you are focussing on a single product, and ignoring that the "profit" from that product may be going to fund r&d in other areas of the company...
as to how they "justify" the cost... they don't have to... again speaking parochially, there's no rules that say you are only allowed "x percentage of profit" on your product... you are allowed to charge what the market will bear... that's capitalism...
now, if you are asking if i think they SHOULD have a massive price tag on each release, you MIGHT get a different answer from me... that being said, i'm not going to presume to know what adobe's cost per release is (as you are doing), so i'm not prepared to say that i definitively think they charge "too much"... also, what you are ignoring is that you are focussing on a single product, and ignoring that the "profit" from that product may be going to fund r&d in other areas of the company...
ccotenj said:
You must not be in either of these fields. As a registered industrial designer I know differently.
You say capitalistic companies dont have to justify the cost of there product? Why then should pirates feel the need to justify there actions? Its a two way street, the cost of the product such as Photoshop or illustrator is directly proportional to the amount of piracy that affects it.
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Then the school either offers/provides discounted educational copies or you suck it up and buy it anyway because it's required for the course. You don't sign up for a class and then go steal the required textbooks becuase you think they're too expensive. It's part of the overall cost of your education, just like tuition.Draax said:
There may be some people who do that, but I doubt very many.
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The main issue is the inccorect stat's companies like the RIAA claim they lost BILLIONS to piracy - yet do they count the billions they GOT because people listened to things they never would of considered, played something they had no demo to etc etc - no, funny how music sales have gone up considerably since P2P came about. - but you never hear the RIAA going on about that or X company.
Also - for the "claimed" lost of software - Companies can not prove person A would of bought the software in the first place so their numbers are irrelevant and absed on no fact. - except perhaps companies that were using their software and HAD to use that particular piece of software to get a job done.
I think piracy efforts need to focus even MORE on companies and shady PC Shops / Inet Cafe's / installing illegal copies - that is what cost's the industy - not your 12 year old on a P2P, almost anyone i know who has had access to illegal software buys it if they need it, especially games snice you want all future support for the product.
Also the groups who release items - they could not give 2 flying fucks if anyone outside of their group got a hold of the software and almost all will mention - support the developers, buy the product.
Also - for the "claimed" lost of software - Companies can not prove person A would of bought the software in the first place so their numbers are irrelevant and absed on no fact. - except perhaps companies that were using their software and HAD to use that particular piece of software to get a job done.
I think piracy efforts need to focus even MORE on companies and shady PC Shops / Inet Cafe's / installing illegal copies - that is what cost's the industy - not your 12 year old on a P2P, almost anyone i know who has had access to illegal software buys it if they need it, especially games snice you want all future support for the product.
Also the groups who release items - they could not give 2 flying fucks if anyone outside of their group got a hold of the software and almost all will mention - support the developers, buy the product.
Lethal said:
So you suck it up and buy the program eh ? Where do you think students would get the money for these programs? Well it is going to come from student loans, which here in Canada come from taxes. So you, end up paying for these programs, and in addition the student is saddled with debt for years to come, so in this case everyone loses. Now which choice is more socially responsible? The choice is one between two evils, you chose the lesser one.
And I doubt your point of view.
collegeboy69us
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I am slowy changing my perspective on the subject. I'm a recent college graduate (Texas A&M Kicks ass) and now having a full time job pulling in QUITE a lot of money I really dont spend time or much energy trying to "get something for free" i.e downloading pirated stuff.
My theory, is that its a time/money factor. The younger "kids" (im only 23 i dont know if i can talk) hah have assloads more time on their hands to get pirated stuff. When im working 10+ hours a day and driving 800+ miles a week for work, i really dont want to sit behind a computer on warez sites to save 50 bucks. Since this is my first REAL job, i found it interesting the other day i was in walmart and saw splinter cell chaos theory and bought it for shits and giggles. Ive had fun with it but i really dont think its worth 50 bucks.
When i was in college (all of 4 months ago) i had tons of time to sit in my dorm and download all kinds of stuff that might have been questionable... now, no time, more money. It's all economics, funny because I have a Bachelor of Science in Econ
If video game makers are targeting "kids" for sales, they better make the damn thing affordable on "allowance" money unless they want the kid to just hop on the net and get it for free.
Only positives i can see about owning software is the fact that:
1) some sort of moral boost about being 100% legal
2) the pretty cd and good smelling box/wrapping/instructions
3) the fact you can play online with a legal key and not flood the net with "omg!!!111!!! i n33d a k3y to BF2 guyz!!"
My theory, is that its a time/money factor. The younger "kids" (im only 23 i dont know if i can talk) hah have assloads more time on their hands to get pirated stuff. When im working 10+ hours a day and driving 800+ miles a week for work, i really dont want to sit behind a computer on warez sites to save 50 bucks. Since this is my first REAL job, i found it interesting the other day i was in walmart and saw splinter cell chaos theory and bought it for shits and giggles. Ive had fun with it but i really dont think its worth 50 bucks.
When i was in college (all of 4 months ago) i had tons of time to sit in my dorm and download all kinds of stuff that might have been questionable... now, no time, more money. It's all economics, funny because I have a Bachelor of Science in Econ
If video game makers are targeting "kids" for sales, they better make the damn thing affordable on "allowance" money unless they want the kid to just hop on the net and get it for free.
Only positives i can see about owning software is the fact that:
1) some sort of moral boost about being 100% legal
2) the pretty cd and good smelling box/wrapping/instructions
3) the fact you can play online with a legal key and not flood the net with "omg!!!111!!! i n33d a k3y to BF2 guyz!!"
For many people it's the thrill of it. They like to know that they are pirating such and such a large amount of dollars worth of software even if it just sits in folders and they never use it. In high school I heard of some kid said that he had pirated in the neighborhood of several hundred thousand dollars of software but only kept it stored, just hearsay.
It seemed kinda pointless to me to spend so much money to keep it when he didn't get any use out of it. I guess for him it was sticking it to the man. Greed, small penis syndrome, whatever.
It seemed kinda pointless to me to spend so much money to keep it when he didn't get any use out of it. I guess for him it was sticking it to the man. Greed, small penis syndrome, whatever.
Collegeboy69us pretty much summed it up..
Time = Money
I can not justify a whole evening spent looking to download a pirated game, then spending more time downloading it.. and searching for cracks to make it work.. That takes too much time.
3 hours of work to buy a game
verses
Countless hours spent searching for the warez and troubleshooting it
I'll take the legit copy and put those wasted hours into playing the game
Time = Money
I can not justify a whole evening spent looking to download a pirated game, then spending more time downloading it.. and searching for cracks to make it work.. That takes too much time.
3 hours of work to buy a game
verses
Countless hours spent searching for the warez and troubleshooting it
I'll take the legit copy and put those wasted hours into playing the game