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Why Apps Really Hit iOS Before Android

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Several developers have given their reasons for avoiding Android or making it less of a priority. Some are petty, but I suppose the fragmentation and revenue-based ones are understandable.

…for my target demographic and audience, the people who have iPhones are far more desirable than their peers with Android phones. When talking with teens and 20 year olds, having a big, gold iPhone 6 Plus is like carrying a Prada bag or driving a BMW. It signifies a social status, a place at the top of their social circle. You buy an iPhone because you want the best.
 
I generally do not notice other peoples cell phones unless they are using it inappropriately, (like in the theater).. Even then, I do not tend to note the brand unless it is brought to my attention by the owner. If that happens, pretentiousness is my assumption, not high social status. Regardless of brand.
Meh, whatever, what few apps I am interested in are as good on Android as iOS.
 
I see a typo in that article. "You buy an iPhone because you want the best." should be fixed to "Mom and dad buys the kid an iPhone because they nag them to death."
 
More like "You buy an iPhone because you THINK it will improve your social status"

The truth is that a loser with an iPhone is just a loser with less money.
 
LOL. Anyone can but an iPhone. There's no status there. Other than sheep status. A Prada bag? Or Breitling the piece? Totally different class of items. Nobody's gonna sell you one for zero down financing because your don't have money.
 
Actual status, and perceived status are different things.

I know why iOS gets things first, it generates more revenue because of the fanatics that follow apple's word to a t. It is also more secure.
 
ianken said:
LOL. Anyone can but an iPhone. There's no status there. Other than sheep status. A Prada bag? Or Breitling the piece? Totally different class of items. Nobody's gonna sell you one for zero down financing because your don't have money.
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This. $200 on a contract makes it trivial getting one for 95% of people.
 
My wife used to like Coach bags, iPhone, etc.. Now that everyone has one (including white trash beautiful from Walmart's Extra Plus Size section, no toothpaste needed for her tooth), she doesn't want them anymore. She has an iPhone, but it's not a status symbol.

When everyone has one, it's not a status symbol. It's just another phone these days.
 
nutzo said:
More like "You buy an iPhone because you THINK it will improve your social status"

The truth is that a loser with an iPhone is just a loser with less money.
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Do you have iPhone envy? Seriously, i think you've said this a few times, and I don't know anyone that looks at a phone and says, ooh that guy's cool. Nor do I know anyone who says, "I'm cool, because i have an iPhone."
 
Profitability seems like the most likely culprit, especially if piracy is as bad as one dev indicated. Let's not forget that piracy on Mac OS killed a lot of development on that platform back in the 90s.
 
Ur_Mom said:
My wife used to like Coach bags, iPhone, etc.. Now that everyone has one (including white trash beautiful from Walmart's Extra Plus Size section, no toothpaste needed for her tooth), she doesn't want them anymore. She has an iPhone, but it's not a status symbol.

When everyone has one, it's not a status symbol. It's just another phone these days.
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And just remember kids, you only notice what people in Wal Mart are using for because you went into a Wal Mart as well :p
 
nilepez said:
Do you have iPhone envy? Seriously, i think you've said this a few times, and I don't know anyone that looks at a phone and says, ooh that guy's cool. Nor do I know anyone who says, "I'm cool, because i have an iPhone."
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He doesn't either, he just thinks he is smarter than everyone else because of a piece of tech.

This place operates in their own echo chamber.
 
pothb said:
Actual status, and perceived status are different things.

I know why iOS gets things first, it generates more revenue because of the fanatics that follow apple's word to a t. It is also more secure.
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Actually its the same, because there is no such thing as actual status, only perceived status.
 
...and here I always thought you bought an iPhone because you were a feckless fool with more money than brains.
 
This doesn't qualify as news as it's made up BS on an Apple news site with fictitious developer names. When you look at reality it refute these FUD except for iOS have far fewer hardware choices to develop for but that's not a good thing for consumers.

Piracy
iOS apps have been pulled due to piracy but none for Android. iOS' only growing market is China but

http://www.pockettactics.com/news/ios-news/hunted-cows-andrew-mulholland-on-battle-dungeons-untimely-demise/

App Revenue
Android marketshare is at over 80% and growing while iOS is approaching single digit. Given iOS' tiny marketshare and piracy issue it's suicidal as a developer to target iOS only. Lets compare how well an popular app like Sky Force performs on both ecosystems. Since Apple doesn't publish download numbers we have to go by reviews. iOS only account for less than 5% compared to Android.

Sky Force
Android 369,872
iOS 17.593

App Availability
iOS might get crapplets first but the truly useful apps come to Android first or is Android only exclusive like BubbleUPnP, JuiceSSH, Solid Explorer, Flud, Nine for Exchange, Aqua Mail, MX Player Pro, RAR, ZArchiver...

Prestige
Apple's flagship iPhone 6S and 6S Plus are sold at Walmart. I don't see Android carrier flagships like Galaxy Note 5.

http://www.walmart.com/cp/1231521
 
In the developers world all of this is common knowledge. I'd go into more but it looks like this thread is far too gone.
 
I have always thought that Apps are easier to program and optimise on the iOS due to the much smaller pool of hardware that the app must optimise for.

There are literally thousands of hardware combinations in the android market.

Back on topic, I always have treated status symbol to be something made up for people to feel superior to others. I always buy stuff in terms of how it suits my needs, and for phone, it is Padfone S. If it was Apple that released that type of phone, I would have bought Apple, and status symbol would be a complete after thought.

After all, who the hell is going to use your phone the most? You. Why would anyone want to put a status symbol on something you use everyday is far beyond me,.
 
Ur_Mom said:
When everyone has one, it's not a status symbol. It's just another phone these days.
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And that is Apples biggest problem.

Every time they have faced steep competition, they have gradually dropped to a small market share.
Main reason their iPhone sales are still doing good, is due to momentum.
Most the people I know who have bought iPhone this year, bought them because their old one was too slow or having problems, and figured it was too much trouble to switch to something else.
The momentum has run out on the tablet sales, and it will soon be catching up to the iPhone.

There's also the price.
"Contracts" have kept the real price of the iPhone hidden. That's changing as more companies try an compete with the low cost plans.
I work with a few people who bought new iPhones this year because it was only $99, ignoring the expensive 2 year contract they signed. These same people constantly complain how they can't afford anything. Meanwhile, I'm still using my 3 year old android phone, pay less for my 3 line family plan then they do for a single line, and I probably make close to 2x what they do.
 
nilepez said:
Do you have iPhone envy? Seriously, i think you've said this a few times, and I don't know anyone that looks at a phone and says, ooh that guy's cool. Nor do I know anyone who says, "I'm cool, because i have an iPhone."
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You must not know any teenagers.
And they don't say "ooh that guy's cool" they say "ooh, look what I got"
 
 
This is the stupidest article I've read in years, and so are the kids that think an iPhone 6 means dick to anyone.
 
nutzo said:
And that is Apples biggest problem.

Every time they have faced steep competition, they have gradually dropped to a small market share.
Main reason their iPhone sales are still doing good, is due to momentum.
Most the people I know who have bought iPhone this year, bought them because their old one was too slow or having problems, and figured it was too much trouble to switch to something else.
The momentum has run out on the tablet sales, and it will soon be catching up to the iPhone.

There's also the price.
"Contracts" have kept the real price of the iPhone hidden. That's changing as more companies try an compete with the low cost plans.
I work with a few people who bought new iPhones this year because it was only $99, ignoring the expensive 2 year contract they signed. These same people constantly complain how they can't afford anything. Meanwhile, I'm still using my 3 year old android phone, pay less for my 3 line family plan then they do for a single line, and I probably make close to 2x what they do.
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This is something people have been saying since probably the iPhone 5, yet it still hasn't happened. Maybe it'll happen, but you guys have been wrong for the past 4+ years. I'm not sure how the iPhone is the only phone that has its price "hidden", a GS6 cost around $600 when it was new, as do most other high end phones. The removal of contracts isn't going to change anything, all we are doing is transitioning to monthly payments which ends up costing the same or slightly less. I know of someone who owns a GS6 Edge and pretty much works a minimum wage job. There are tons of people who buy beyond their means, that isn't something confined to iPhones.

The people who want a new phone every year are going to get one every year. So unless phones really start stagnating even more than now, I don't see the growth slowing too much anytime soon.

nutzo said:
You must not know any teenagers.
And they don't say "ooh that guy's cool" they say "ooh, look what I got"
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Funny, the only people I've heard this from in the past few years are the Apple haters. Nobody cares, and if they do it isn't for more than a week.
 
chenw said:
I have always thought that Apps are easier to program and optimise on the iOS due to the much smaller pool of hardware that the app must optimise for.

There are literally thousands of hardware combinations in the android market.

Back on topic, I always have treated status symbol to be something made up for people to feel superior to others. I always buy stuff in terms of how it suits my needs, and for phone, it is Padfone S. If it was Apple that released that type of phone, I would have bought Apple, and status symbol would be a complete after thought.

After all, who the hell is going to use your phone the most? You. Why would anyone want to put a status symbol on something you use everyday is far beyond me,.
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^ This

And while people are on the subject of Apple Tax, any Android Phone that goes feature to feature with the iPhone usually costs as much as one... Keep that in mind.
 
nutzo said:
And that is Apples biggest problem.

Every time they have faced steep competition, they have gradually dropped to a small market share.
Main reason their iPhone sales are still doing good, is due to momentum.
Most the people I know who have bought iPhone this year, bought them because their old one was too slow or having problems, and figured it was too much trouble to switch to something else.
The momentum has run out on the tablet sales, and it will soon be catching up to the iPhone.

There's also the price.
"Contracts" have kept the real price of the iPhone hidden. That's changing as more companies try an compete with the low cost plans.
I work with a few people who bought new iPhones this year because it was only $99, ignoring the expensive 2 year contract they signed. These same people constantly complain how they can't afford anything. Meanwhile, I'm still using my 3 year old android phone, pay less for my 3 line family plan then they do for a single line, and I probably make close to 2x what they do.
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Apple's phones aren't like Apple's computers. Apple phones are more like Microsoft with DOS, Windows and office. Right now there are basically 2 phone companies. Apple and Samsung. Everyone else is a distant 3rd

As for your phone purchasing habits vs Apple, your habits are unusual, IME. Most people upgrade every 2 years, regardless of what type of phone they have. I can't say how used Android devices sell, but I bought a 128GB iPhone (new) under 600 in March and I could sell it today for about 500.

nutzo said:
You must not know any teenagers.
And they don't say "ooh that guy's cool" they say "ooh, look what I got"
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Ah. Your original post said "you buy..." My guess is most teens get phones paid for my mom and dad. Either way, teens say that about anything expensive. Buy them a Galaxy Note (or the latest Galaxy S and I'm sure they'll show it off).
 
cwizard said:
This is the stupidest article I've read in years, and so are the kids that think an iPhone 6 means dick to anyone.
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It only means squat to Android users. Those of us that use it, just like the way the phone works. My industry is the wireless industry. Most of my co-workers started with Android. They just moved to Apple, because they liked it better. That said, a few went back to Android after a year or so.

In the end, it's just a phone and I'm not sure why so many around here want to turn this into a modern day OS war
 
I like iPhones. I think they're great looking phones. I just don't really like the Apple ecosystem and I am heavily invested in the Google ecosystem, so that's where my money goes.
 
Apple users are far more accustomed to being shafted from Apple and are indoctrinated in the pay to play mentality. Paid apps fair far better. Too bad I'm not in that camp and rarely ever pay to get an app. If its paid I'll usually prefer to live without.
 
tazeat said:
Apple users are far more accustomed to being shafted from Apple and are indoctrinated in the pay to play mentality. Paid apps fair far better. Too bad I'm not in that camp and rarely ever pay to get an app. If its paid I'll usually prefer to live without.
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I think it should depend on the app ... most of us have no problems shelling out $50-100 for PC software (or thousands for professional programs) ... apps don't fall into that range yet (nor should they) but there are many high quality apps that are worth the $1-10 price tag the developer is asking ... a smartphone program like Zombies Run is worth the fee since you are paying for the story and voice actors ... a program like Flappy Bird not so much ... however it is unfair to professional and conscientious developers to say that no smartphone app (regardless of the quality, effort, and support) is worth even a couple of dollars
 
illram said:
I like iPhones. I think they're great looking phones. I just don't really like the Apple ecosystem and I am heavily invested in the Google ecosystem, so that's where my money goes.
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I think the ecosystem lock in is critical (this is why both Apple and Google have a robust App store and where Microsoft failed) ... over a couple of generations of phones/tablets you will accumulate dozens to thousands of apps (in either Android or iOS) ... it is not a trivial decision to abandon that infrastructure ... PCs at least permit dual booting so you can keep a foot in both Windows and other OSs (like Linux), if you so desire ... smartphones will never offer this feature because it is is to neither Google or Apple's advantage to do so
 
nutzo said:
Every time they have faced steep competition, they have gradually dropped to a small market share.
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But Apple's business model is all about margins, and they have an estimated 90%+ of the margins in the phone market despite having much less than 90% of phone market share.

And the model is working very well even in the x86 space with an estimated over half of the margins in retail x86 devices I believe. The only area where Apple seems to be having any issues right now are oddly enough tablets, a category they reinvented in a big way with the iPad in 2010. And the iPad has loosing market share at a much faster rate than the overall shrinking of the tablet market in in general which is pretty odd for Apple in the decade plus.

But even in tablets Apple still has the majority of margins though that could change if iPad sales don't rebound.
 
Most of those are excuses by fanboys. There are multiple development tools, but the 'fun' of programming has little to do with it.

Economics make Android a platform for apps because it has a MUCH larger install base, and far more devices. That also makes it a challenge. A lot of iPhone apps are designed only to work within a narrow set of guidelines, and as such when Apple went to the larger screen some apps didn't work. It's lazy programming, and Apple can be easier if you only use official development tools.
 
nutzo said:
I work with a few people who bought new iPhones this year because it was only $99, ignoring the expensive 2 year contract they signed. These same people constantly complain how they can't afford anything. Meanwhile, I'm still using my 3 year old android phone, pay less for my 3 line family plan then they do for a single line, and I probably make close to 2x what they do.
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The same people are you mentioning are likely the ones who will buy a $650 phone on a 22% APR credit card and pay it off with minimum payments.
 
illram said:
I like iPhones. I think they're great looking phones. I just don't really like the Apple ecosystem and I am heavily invested in the Google ecosystem, so that's where my money goes.
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How are you heavily invested? I have an iPhone, but I think I could move to Android and do most things I do now. Whether the implementations of the as good (better or worse) I couldn't say.
 
Brantoc said:
Most of those are excuses by fanboys. There are multiple development tools, but the 'fun' of programming has little to do with it.

Economics make Android a platform for apps because it has a MUCH larger install base, and far more devices. That also makes it a challenge. A lot of iPhone apps are designed only to work within a narrow set of guidelines, and as such when Apple went to the larger screen some apps didn't work. It's lazy programming, and Apple can be easier if you only use official development tools.
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Economics on Android are favorable, if android users buy a lot of apps. My understanding is that iOS users buy a lot of apps. I don't know if that's true or not, but the bottom line is that the bottom line determines where developers develop.

Games and most apps go to Windows, because that's where the money is. Sometimes they get ported elsewhere, but typically after the windows version is out and making money.
 
nilepez said:
How are you heavily invested? I have an iPhone, but I think I could move to Android and do most things I do now. Whether the implementations of the as good (better or worse) I couldn't say.
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He likely means the paid apps. I have a few dollars in paid android apps. Enough that it becomes a consideration when it is time to decide to switch or not. I would imagine it is even more of an issue the longer one has been in an ecosystem.
 
Gorankar said:
He likely means the paid apps. I have a few dollars in paid android apps. Enough that it becomes a consideration when it is time to decide to switch or not. I would imagine it is even more of an issue the longer one has been in an ecosystem.
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Apps are usually only a few bucks each so cost is less of an issue than app availability. There are so many more useful apps on my Android devices that I can't purchase for iOS.
 
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