Why 120hz

[Bluesun311]

If I didn't have my samsung A750D 1080p 120hz that is notably vibrant/saturated for a tn, the eizo FG2421 "240hz" 1080p VA (120hz + proprietary backlight strobing) panel lottery or a "120hz" Korean 2560x (though the rez demands have to be taken into account and some seem to have a "hz lottery") would be my next choices. I'm still waiting on the asus PG278Q 120hz-144hz 1ms response though since none of the above will have g-sync and ulmb mode option.

The eizo does have it's own backlight strobing mode but no g-sync, and the korean ips screens blur more than a TN due to their response times from all I've read from knowledgeable people on this site seeking the best motion clarity, and they won't have g-sync.

I can't go back to sub 100hz on 1st/3rd person games personally.

I'd really like a 3440x1440 21:9 120hz-144hz g-sync/ulmb monitor but I don't see that happening in the foreseeable future.

I think you might be surprised at a full on 120hz IPS/PLS. The fg2421 is faster AND slower at the same time and they all look like a surgical mistake somewhere on the screen at some point. I bet you wouldn't kick a 120hz qnix out of bed that's for sure. The combo of all those pixels and them moving as fast as the fg in a lot of the color spectrum (and evenly driven throughout) is far superior as far as single display setups go, IMO. 3fg's is one thing but a single with big cloudy streaks on it is a poor substitute for a fast 1440p monitor. I hope the swift is as good as it should be but I doubt it.

 

[elvn]

yeah all things considered I've been in wait and see mode for quite awhile.
Like I said those would all have been considered as gaming monitors but timing was off. I got an ACD year(s) before the koreans hit the scene, and scored a 120hz 27" samsung on a brief sale for like $380 when the 27" 120hz panels were approaching $600. True 120hz (100hz - 144hz I suppose) input is my minimum for a gaming monitor now, whichever type. With 120hz - 144hz g-sync/ulmb monitors due out (by year end 2014 and into 2015?) I can't see swapping out atm considering what I have already.
I'd really like the 3440x1440 21:9 60hz for desktop/apps and the asus PG278Q for gaming alongside it. If I could get enough selling my ACD + samsung 120hz to take a lot of the cost hit away from one of them I'd consider getting both, otherwise keep the acd next to the PG278Q with much more usable matched desktop resolution heights in either case (compared to my 1080p 120hz gaming monitor).
I'm not letting that samsung go unless the PG278Q performs great and isn't considerably pale by comparison to the samsung though.

 

[Ultranifty]

2560 x 1600 60hz gaming (with adaptive vsync on) was great. Awesome clarity. (BF3, could see people on opposite side of the map without having to zoom in first. Ran plenty smooth at 60hz, no issues

Then tried 1920 x 1080 120hz. It was smoother, but this didn't help all that much. Ok, smoother, but now the clarity sucked balls. Couldn't see people far away, color wasn't as good, but giving up that rez was not worth the extra smoothness.

And this was with BF3, a shooter. Supposed to be the best game for a 120hz monitor.

Play lots of other games too, and 120hz made little to no difference on them. Paying a premium for 120hz for just 1-2 shooters is silly. You can get a high rez, or in the case of what I'm going for.....34UM95 high rez 21:9 (3440 x 1440 .232 pitch) and notice the rez and 21:9 immersion in EVERY game. All the while shooters are still plenty smooth.

Each his own. You 120hz guys are gonna swear by yours, and claim you can't live without precious 120hz. Triple screen guys that can't live without that. We're all living with tradeoffs. I'm in the high rez 21:9 crowd and I think you get the most fun out of that, across many many games. 90% of games work on 21:9 just fine, for the rest, flawlesswidescreen.org

Now atleast you can get an Asus ROG and have 2560x1440 at 120hz but christ.....that's going to take monster vid card power to push that rez. That's like a never ending video card upgrade cost as games get more and more complex and you're trying to push 120fps on a ROG. All monitors are tradeoffs

 

[Bluesun311]

Now atleast you can get an Asus ROG and have 2560x1440 at 120hz but christ.....that's going to take monster vid card power to push that rez. That's like a never ending video card upgrade cost as games get more and more complex and you're trying to push 120fps on a ROG. All monitors are tradeoffs

Lots of people have had 1440p true 120Hz monitors for years. 1 780 can do it and 2 is more than enough.

 

[XoR]

1080p with 120Hz + strobing gives much better object recognition in fast shooters than higher resolution cause when you move mouse on such 60Hz monitor everything blurs while on strobed display it always stay sharp (if you can push that much frames per second).

I am fine with lower resolution, even with blurry FXAA as long as it doesn't add input lag and motion blur.

Oh, and Battlefield is nowhere near fast shooter. Quake 3 or Quake Live is a proper fast shooter

 

[blaze_itt]

I bought a zr30w several years ago before the rise in oc'd korean monitors and 120hz+ monitors. I consider myself more of a casual gamer in recent years but the display has served me perfectly with just a 6870 playing mostly older and optimized games @ 1600p. Beautiful picture and I still feel ahead of the crowd in terms of display quality with the high res and screen size.. Now if I were to do it again I'd probably have waited for the oc-able korean monitors or maybe a proper gaming monitor + a quality high res display on the side. At the moment, I'm just using a 32" panasonic ips lcd tv as a second monitor.

I'm kind of a noob (or not picky/experienced with other monitors) and don't notice any blur, glare, backlight bleeding, input lag, or w/e that I hear about these IPS monitors. My previous monitors were a crappy 23" 1080 samsung tn, before that a crt monitor from a decade ago that was used during my hardcore counter-strike years, and most recently before the zr30w the dell u3011 and u2410 eyefinity.

Now I just purchased a tri-x 290 (which will be a big upgrade for my current rest/hz) on sale b/c my 6870 died and am discovering a bigger world of displays and upcoming models though there seems to be some extremes at the moment. G-sync seems great as well but I've already got a great price on a new 290.

Now I'm considering other monitors and perhaps even selling my zr30w and lcd tv to try to take advantage of the new gpu and satisfying my curiousity about higher refresh rate displays though I'm not sure if I'll end up happy or if it is worth the effort. The two current displays do put out some heat, which I'd really like to improve on for the summer, but I'm not sure how much improvement there would be with two led displays in their place. I gotta admit, 1600p/30" for general desktop and office use is pretty much perfect.

Maybe trade to a qnix qx 2710 + a VG248QE 144hz on the side for gaming or wait for the 1440p 120 hz asus and keep my lcd tv. Ah the decisions

 

[Bluesun311]

Maybe trade to a qnix qx 2710 + a VG248QE 144hz on the side for gaming or wait for the 1440p 120 hz asus and keep my lcd tv. Ah the decisions

Seems like a good plan. With 1 GPU--even as fast as the 290xs are--I do still like 1080p for twitch gaming.

The only thing I don't like about the Qnix units I've had was that they weren't really 120Hz. I know for a fact lots of people have had qnix's that were, but both my matte qnixs couldn't make it. 110 is cool and all, but it's not as plug-and-play friendly for one, and there IS a difference, even one that I can sort out by running some visual tests, just between 110 and 120.

I absolutely love my Catleap. That's my recommendation. The Tempest should be mostly identical and the deal is just not as good--I've seen some comments about coil whine at 120Hz on the Tempest and that scared me off as well. My Catleap is silent, or I just can't hear it, which is possible. I know what coil whine is, though... I'm pretty sure. It basically sounds like those old flash cameras the morticians would use on crime shows. Super high pitched dog whistle almost. I had a couple AMD cards that would do that when I tried to run cgminer on them in crossfire (not smart). Now that the prices are similar between the units I'd definitely take a closer look at the Catleap because of its OC ability.

My one warning about the IPS variants, as opposed to the PLS Qnix /X-star is that the IPS will have a very slightly darker streak across the bottom of the panel. They all do. It's worth mentioning but in practice it's not noticeable. If it were vertical it would be, bu it's horizontal and it's near the bezel so it's only clearly visible when scrolling down on the web across light colors. Compared to severe glow or bleed it's a blessing, but it's there and the PLS panels don't have it. The PLS panels tend to have less glow as well, but it's all a crapshoot when you start getting into the nitty gritty because the panels aren't perfect rectangles and they don't always perfectly fit in their housings which causes backlight bleed, and I'm not sure what causes IPS glow. Glow levels on the Catleap are low as well.

My honest opinion is that the Korean OC monitors are often better all around than almost any 1440p 27" name-brand unit that can be bought in the USA. One thing that I don't like is that running 120Hz over DVI seems to make cards run hotter. Maybe I'm crazy.

 

[failwheeldrive]

I wouldn't downgrade from 1440p to 1080p TN just for 120hz and the improved response/motion blur, but I can definitely appreciate a higher refresh rate. My Overlord Tempest is the best of both worlds imo, but gsync is really making me tempted to go with the swift in the future.