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Who invented the USB?

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Sgt_Strider

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IIRC, intel created the original USB back in the 90's right? My teacher said it was apple, but I thought they created firewire? I didn't bother arguing with her over this, but I thought I should know the truth. Thx
 
Originally posted by Sgt_Strider
IIRC, intel created the original USB back in the 90's right? My teacher said it was apple, but I thought they created firewire? I didn't bother arguing with her over this, but I thought I should know the truth. Thx
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sony invented firewire, and it is just there take on IEEE1394 (or what they called it)

thore
 
Al Gore did, once he was pleased with the progress of his internet.
 
Originally posted by thore
sony invented firewire, and it is just there take on IEEE1394 (or what they called it)

thore
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I dunno who did the 1394 spec, but Apple "made" "FireWire". As in the 6-port powered variety of 1394. Sony "made" "i.Link", the 4-port unpowered variety of 1394.

There might be licensing fees involved, but I doubt it—about the only useful purpose for the different names is saying "FireWire" or "i.Link" (two or three syllables) rather than "four/six-pin-thirteen-ninety-four", which is six syllables.
 
Originally posted by Stiletto One
There might be licensing fees involved, but I doubt it
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Actually there used to be, and may even be today. There at one time was a $.25 licensing fee per board for the use of firewire.
 
Originally posted by Stiletto One
about the only useful purpose for the different names is saying "FireWire" or "i.Link" (two or three syllables) rather than "four/six-pin-thirteen-ninety-four", which is six syllables.
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does fire count as 1 or 2 syllables :D ;)
 
Originally posted by Stiletto One
I dunno who did the 1394 spec, but Apple "made" "FireWire". As in the 6-port powered variety of 1394. Sony "made" "i.Link", the 4-port unpowered variety of 1394.

There might be licensing fees involved, but I doubt it—about the only useful purpose for the different names is saying "FireWire" or "i.Link" (two or three syllables) rather than "four/six-pin-thirteen-ninety-four", which is six syllables.
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*my bad*

hmmm maybe i have my signals crossed here... but i thought sony was responsable for both specs... i'm wanting to remeber apple haveing to licence it off of them in order to use it.... i also thought that i.link was only on the PS2 ... but now that i have done some research i see that that isn't true...

thore
 
USB was just a better serialization of the serial bus. If that makes sense. Yes a consortium created the first spec.

Intel made people use it, and pioneered the 1.1 and 2.0 specs almost independantly.

But IEEE1394 is better beccuase it has a controller at both ends, making it both serial and point to point, and making for much higher speeds and zero cpu usage.
 
Apple invented Firewire. Though some loophole other companies could use the technology for free, but had to pay if they used the name "firewire" hence why sony name it I.link. Intel is the main inventor of USB, although apple saved it.
 
Apple didn't invent firewire per-se, but they might have been the first to implement it widely. Although is all things were equal some would say Apple invented the CD and the LCD as well. Oi.
 
I know for a fact that apple charges licensing fees for the 6 wire IEEE1394 known as "firewire", so i think it is safe to say they own the patents for taht particular implementation.
 
I don't know who invented USB, but I wish they would have invented a better connector (maybe similar to an RJ-45 that clicks into place) so if you happen to move the wire you wouldn't lose the stinkin' device!
 
Well since FireWire and i.Link are both IEEE-1394, then maybe the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers Standards Association. IEEE-1394 was approved back in 1995, and IEEE-1394a was approved in 2000. The newer IEEE-1394b was approved in 2002 and "allows for gigabit signaling and by extending signaling distance to 100 meters (vs. 4.5 meters in IEEE 1394-1995) in data storage, home network backbones and other system". As has been discussed before, FireWire is just Apples trademark name for IEEE-1394, and i.Link is Sony's trademark name.


On to USB, as said previously the specification was a colerabition <sp> of several companies, just like PCI once was. Currently that group is named the USB Implementers Forum. A quote from their about section of their webpage says this "USB Implementers Forum, Inc. is a non-profit corporation founded by the group of companies that developed the Universal Serial Bus specification. The USB-IF was formed to provide a support organization and forum for the advancement and adoption of Universal Serial Bus technology. The Forum facilitates the development of high-quality compatible USB peripherals (devices), and promotes the benefits of USB and the quality of products that have passed compliance testing."


Now Apple was the first company to adopt USB across the board and dump legacy devices, i.e. the origional iMac. Basically they forced everyone to upgrade to the new technology. I remember having a USB port on a Pentium 133 IBM machine but of course Windows 95 did not support it. Windows 98 was the first PC OS to support USB widestream but even then it did not take off well on the PC side, most people wanted to use their old legacy hardware.

Again Apple was the first company to widly adopt IEEE-1394. I remember FireWire as standard hardware on the first B&W G3s. Now every PC has IEEE-1394, but who has the new 800Mbit version, only Apple so far.
 
Apple actually did develop "firewire" a long time ago. It was approved (ratified) by IEEE as IEEE 1394 in 1995, but apple actually first started developing it in 86 as a networking interface. And apple did charge a significant fee initially for any one using firewire, per port per device. In order to gain wider acceptance, they significantly dropped the fees involved. And sony does indeed call their 1394 ports i.link. And Win95osr2 first implemented usb support :p albeit, limited to HID devices (heh, repetitive i know).
 
Firewire is great - in my experience it is faster than USB2.0. I am waiting for them IEEE1394b controller chips to drop in price. At Newegg, the cards are around $50.
 
Originally posted by Stiletto One
Hmm. Good point. "Firewire" = 4 syllables for most people, 2 syllables if your a Southerner. :p
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Fire is one syllable. Wire is also one syllable. You combine them and you get a 2 syllable word. If you say with 4 syllables, you are speaking incorrectly. Of course, everyone does it, but that doesn't make it right. There are similar problems with "sour" and "tired". They both have 1 syllable too, if you were wondering. ;)
 
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