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Which Would You Get

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lcboyee1123

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i have a dilemma...like most people...of what PSU to get with my new computer...at first i was definite on gettin the NeoPower from the reviews and MaximumPC's article on it...now people are sayin PC P&C 510 SLI is the best...and then i see people talkin of OCZ...so out of these choices, which would you get and a brief explanation as to why...thanks guys!

Antec NeoPower 480
PC P&C 510 SLI
OCZ ModStream 520W
OCZ PowerStream 520W
 
see sig

when it comes to the actual quality of the power
there really isnt any comparision
"features" are just that and not the core job requirement
most can be added if you cant live without them for some reason
 
Its not in yet otherwise i would ;) the excitement is almost unbareable
 
Well If I ever buy one, Im gonna go pick it up at the PCPC Factory good thing they have will call.. :p

Oh and I will have the Floppy Power Removed.. :p
MaMMa said:
Its not in yet otherwise i would ;) the excitement is almost unbareable
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if you want top end, get pcp&c 510, or OCZ 600 w.

they are both just as good (whatever they say), and with the ocz600w, you just have to use a converter for the second pci express card.

their performance is equal, but

pcp&c pros = longer warranty, excellent service.
pcp&c cons = unless ocer with lots of deltas and vantec tornadoes, these are damn loud.

ocz pros = looks realy nice, 3 year warranty, green leds in back.
also, excellent customer service. they shipped some bad parts, and blew up about 15 people's pcs. they wrote them cheques for their new pcs (6800 ultra, x800xt pe etc.). (this was 4 months ago)
also, inaudible. 23db at 60% load.

ocz cons = bad rep for a onetime marketing screwup with some thermal paste.

get the ocz 600w, just as good, but quieter.
 
ok cool...so looks like the majority of you guys like the PC P&C but i would like a pretty quiet case....i might have to check out some more info on the 600w OCZ...so i guess its down to those two now, just to decide which to choose...thanks guys!
 
freddiepm61 said:
if you want top end, get pcp&c 510
pcp&c pros = longer warranty, excellent service.
pcp&c cons = unless ocer with lots of deltas and vantec tornadoes, these are damn loud.

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I don't find it loud at tall, and damn right stable to see!
 
lcboyee1123 said:
ok cool...so looks like the majority of you guys like the PC P&C but i would like a pretty quiet case....i might have to check out some more info on the 600w OCZ...so i guess its down to those two now, just to decide which to choose...thanks guys!
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I think you were on the right track with the Neopower 480, to be perfectly honest. Especially if low noise is a priority.
 
freddiepm61 said:
if you want top end, get pcp&c 510, or OCZ 600 w.

they are both just as good (whatever they say), and with the ocz600w, you just have to use a converter for the second pci express card.

their performance is equal, but

pcp&c pros = longer warranty, excellent service.
pcp&c cons = unless ocer with lots of deltas and vantec tornadoes, these are damn loud.

ocz pros = looks realy nice, 3 year warranty, green leds in back.
also, excellent customer service. they shipped some bad parts, and blew up about 15 people's pcs. they wrote them cheques for their new pcs (6800 ultra, x800xt pe etc.). (this was 4 months ago)
also, inaudible. 23db at 60% load.

ocz cons = bad rep for a onetime marketing screwup with some thermal paste.

get the ocz 600w, just as good, but quieter.
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they are implied to have the same specs
but that isnt proven, while the PCP&C figures for AC Ripple have been widely tested
the Powerstreams havent and the question becomes if its just for the strands that have the EM Suppression ferrite beads (VGA and single HDD)
then there is the load regulation figures while they list 1% load regulation
they havent tested out to that, and its simply rumored that they exceed the spec of the basic Topwer P6 Series model they are based off of (which has a 3% load regulation)

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/psu-methodology.html

a quick cut and paste from another thread (the 530 mentioned is a Fortron)
Ice Czar said:
there is nothing "wrong" with the 530
I used one in my brothers box not that long ago
its in my opinion one of the best ATX12V v1.3 values to be had
but wattage doesnt mean all that much if its not where you can use it
each change of the spec has shifted more capacity from the (typically) combined +3.3V\+5V rail to the +12V rail in a given wattage class, that reflects the changing needs of computer components
not that long ago CPUs where powered off the +5V rail the Voltage Regulation Modual (VRM) drawing that power and stepping it down for the CPU and Front Side Bus, same with graphics cards, but with the need for more and more power that has changed to the +12V rail
then you add in the new requirements for PCI-E and even more juice is needed on that rail

to make matter even more interesting the +12V rail has historically been used to power drives
and drives & fans are notorious for uneven draw, when they spinup they reguire approximately 4 time their run draw to overcome inertia, so at stratup they can introduce quite a transient load (this is the reason RAID cards have delayed spinup options), and even once running an optical does the same dance when it spins up,
so first on servers (the EPS12V spec) and now on the ATX12V spec (v2.0) the +12V rail has been split to isolate that instability

now both the Powerstreams and the PCP&C 510 are actually ATX12V v1.3 supplies with a single +12V rail;
but because they have such good load regulation, they dont really need the seperate rails to maintain that rail stability

of course that is dependent on the actual crossload

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/psu-methodology_13.html
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compare that to just the +12V rail of one of the worse supplies out there
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(L&C = Deer Computers)

for a PCP&C Id expect alot more green on the +12V field than that OCZ
but then Oleg hasnt fleshed out his database
the start of that excellent article is here
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/other/display/psu-methodology.html
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The PC Power and Cooling 510 SLI is quite expensive at $240 and isn't worth the extra cost over the Antec Neopower 480w or OCZ PowerStream 520w which both provide more power then your average user comes close to needing.

I wouldn't consider the PCP&C 510 SLI unless you had alot of cash to blow on a new rig. PC Power and Cooling is one of the best but that doesn't mean the PSU will do anything your going to notice over the other two PSU's mentioned. The PCP&C 510 is actually quite a bit louder then the Neopower and PowerStream and the PowerStream is more efficient (uses less power). The PowerStream also has easily adjustable rails on the rear of the PSU. To adjust the pots on the PC Power and Cooling you have to void the warranty and open the PSU. The PowerStream also carries a 5 year warranty like the PC Power and Cooling models and OCZ will cross ship you a new PSU at any time if you have any problems.

Most people are running generic brand power supplies in their high-end rigs so consider yourself lucky to have ither of these three top-of-the-line power supplies.
 
burningrave101 said:
To adjust the pots on the PC Power and Cooling you have to void the warranty and open the PSU.
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actually thats incorrect
all the deluxe models have holes so you can adjust the pots from the outside ;)

http://www.pcpowercooling.com/products/power_supplies/highperformance/index.htm you can see them on the upper left of the top of that unit

however the adjustment of the powerstreams is much easier and can be done with them already mounted in the case
but dont beleive the little LEDs they have a "good" range that is too wide bordering on dangerous
use a multimeter

PS
PCP&C Options
include > Externally-adjustable voltages (component testing)
but Im not sure how that is implemented

In general I agree that for most people the Powerstreams are easily as good as you need
and far more affordable
but then these forums are fueled by overkill :p

the three reasons I have to recommend the PCP&C 510 have recently increased to 4
1. serious overclocking (most stable, cleanest power, greatest VAC range)
2. serious +12V draw (read SAN or NAS)
3. cheap insurance on a very expensive rig (see sig)
4. SLi w\ the latest bump to the PCI-E spec (cards are not on the street yet) actually this is a subset of the second point, the spec has just increased from 75 watts to 150 watts per
NOTE on PCI-E CURRENT CAPACITY: There was some question about the maximum output capacity for PCI-Express because of the recent changes in the spec by Intel and nVidia. So to avoid confusion, a quick call was placed to Fortron. They confirmed that up to 75W was available on for PCI-e. The latest spec demands as much as 150W. As far as we know, PCI-e VGA cards that demand that much power are not on the market yet, but you should be aware that 75W is the recommended maximum on this PSU.
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at which point many if not most supplies currently around, may be hard pressed to play depending on the rest of your config, the more powerful sup-plies stand the best chance
forking over the extra $50 for a PCP&C might save you from having to buy another supply, and it might not, considering thats greater than $10 per extra +12V amp
 
Does the PC Power and Cooling 510 Deluxe have split +12V rails or just one?

Its rated for +12V @ 34A/38A.
 
When you buy the OCZ power supplies, do you have to adjust them before you use it? Or are they already adjusted to the proper spots?

Also, what was this thermal paste marketing screwup?
 
Dioretsa said:
When you buy the OCZ power supplies, do you have to adjust them before you use it? Or are they already adjusted to the proper spots?

Also, what was this thermal paste marketing screwup?
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You shouldn't normally have to adjust anything. It should be fairly spot on out of the box. If it isn't though its easily tweaked using a digital multimeter and the external pots on the rear of the PSU. Overclockers like these pots as well because you can give a little more juice to one of the rails and therefore more power to one of the components that feeds off this rail.

The thermal paste marketing screwup involved OCZ selling some thermal compound that advertised having silver in it when in fact it didn't have any at all. They wound up doing a recall on it.
 
like the Powerstreams (barring the 600 watt)
they are ATX12V v1.3 supplies with a single +12V rail
(then new 850's are the split rail SSI compliant EPS12V versions)
 
yea the PC P&C is quite expensive for my budget...the OCZ's are sounding pretty nice now, and i do know that they are very efficient...and im not a very serious overclocker...in fact, ive only overclocked 1 computer minorly at school, so i dont need the BEST psu ever, but i would like a nice one to fit my computer
 
I would get the Antec NeoPower because I can honestly say that it is possibly the quiestest PSU that I've everm had and also the most stable. Don't know too much about the OCZ and how far it progressed but I did a lot of research (mid-November) before I bought this thing and Antec came out on top. Period.
 
Little while ago I would have said go with the Newopower480. Then three weeks ago I bought one. Was a great powersupply. 12V rail at 11.904, 5V rail at 5.026, 3.3V rail at 3.328. Now three weeks later its 12V rail thinks its an 11.308 rail. Currently in the middle of figuring out if I can RMA the thing (my roommate threw out the box). I keep seeing anecdotes saying Antec PSUs are dropping in quality. Mark another one against them from me.

-zac
 
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