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A friend offered me his X800XL for $80. I was gonna spring for a 7600GT for $170 shipped with $30 rebate(which I hate rebates). Is it worth it just to get the 7600GT? I'll likely pickup a X1800XT or better in late next month. Mostly want it for Oblivion but for first person shooters to.

Basicly is the performance and features of a 7600GT worth the extra $90($60 if I get the rebate)? If I do go with the 7600GT I'll probably hang on to it till Crysis/UT2007 comes.
 
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. And I stress, DON'T take your friend's x800xl. Also, ditch your friend, he's obviously not your friend after what he pulled. The x800xl only performs as well as a 6800gt, plus its used. Again, I stress, ditch this friend, especially if he knew you were getting a 7600gt. The 7600gt is about = to the 6800 ultra and x850xt. I'm sure the 7600gt you're considering is the evga from monarch, thus, I recommend you get it because you can step up the card later and monarch is just awesome to deal with (hook me up mr monarch ;) ). I have already printed the rebate form, as I have also purchased this card and is
being shipped to me as I post. Anyway, the rebate is sent directly to evga (no 3rd party crap) and evga is known for its customer service. To sum up my incoherent post, 7600gt = $140AR
(with a very trustworthy rebate). Your friend = sucks, and step up your 7600gt to dx10 midrange come september.
 
How long do you have to do a step up and is it overpriced to do so compared to selling off the 7600GT and buying online?

This question is probably for ppl who have used it.

BTW I was looking on Newegg.
 
You have 90 days from the purchase date to step up (extra month safety in case dx10 doesn't come out in september). The price you paid is deducted from the msrp of the step up card. Basically, you pay $170 for a midrange card, then when you step up, you most likely pay $30 difference for dx10 midranged card. I cannot stress enough that you ditch your friend.
Your friend thinks you are a sucker and he should die (IMO, no offense).
 
read on newegg about quite a few ppl getting DOA cards. Has EVGA fixed the problem?
 
The problems you are referring to are only present in the 7900 series. If you had the budget for a 7900 series card, I suggest you try monarch because they were quick to replace their lineup of the samsung ram with the infineon ram (hook me up Mr Monarch, I'll do your job for a week ;) ).
 
Monkey_feces said:
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. And I stress, DON'T take your friend's x800xl. Also, ditch your friend, he's obviously not your friend after what he pulled. The x800xl only performs as well as a 6800gt, plus its used. Again, I stress, ditch this friend, especially if he knew you were getting a 7600gt. The 7600gt is about = to the 6800 ultra and x850xt. I'm sure the 7600gt you're considering is the evga from monarch, thus, I recommend you get it because you can step up the card later and monarch is just awesome to deal with (hook me up mr monarch ;) ). I have already printed the rebate form, as I have also purchased this card and is
being shipped to me as I post. Anyway, the rebate is sent directly to evga (no 3rd party crap) and evga is known for its customer service. To sum up my incoherent post, 7600gt = $140AR
(with a very trustworthy rebate). Your friend = sucks, and step up your 7600gt to dx10 midrange come september.
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For $80 is a good deal...His friend is giving him a deal... XL fetch over $100 easily.... Performance wise 7600gt ain't that much faster than the XL...

I would really opt for the 1800xt if you have the money... If you don't the 800XL will tie you over until you get some more money.
 
Why are you all so eager to get your hands on a DX10 card nearly six months before you'll see DX10 itself (let alone any games supporting it) ?
 
LuminaryJanitor said:
Why are you all so eager to get your hands on a DX10 card nearly six months before you'll see DX10 itself (let alone any games supporting it) ?
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Because he just don't know how the computer graphics world works..

I bet you by the time real DX 10 features are used... The first gen DX 10 is probably too slow to use any of it's features... It's been like that for ages...

It looks good on paper... But that is about it...
 
G80 is not DX10 in my book. I'd consider it a DX9 card with DX10 features.

R600 is the true revolutionary DX10 card. But even then.. at what price? How hot will it run and how loud will the cooler be?

Quite honestly...

I'd get an x1800XT before I'd get a 7600GT. Make sure it's the 512MB board. At least you'll be able to use it as a physics accelerator later on down the road.
 
Marvelous said:
For $80 is a good deal...His friend is giving him a deal... XL fetch over $100 easily.... Performance wise 7600gt ain't that much faster than the XL...

I would really opt for the 1800xt if you have the money... If you don't the X800xl will tie you over until you get some more money.
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I would buy a X1800xt but I can't see paying $250ish or so just to have the price drop well below $200 in a couple months. I know all video cards do this that why I stick with mid-range. Thats why I was thinking $80 X800xl now. In a couple months sell the X800xl for about the same I paid for it then getting a X1800xt or 7900GT(I'm not picky).
 
The x800xl is a decent card, it has 16 pixel processors and 16 ROP's and runs a 400MHz by default. On the other hand its has a threshold at 1024x768 with very low AA & AF in order have a playable frame rate in modern games and it doesn't support SM 3.0 which is the standard of modern games.

The 7600 Gt is a faster SM 3.0 capable card that is a great overclocker and supports SLI. F.E.A.R is playable at 1280x960 with x2 AA and 4AF with this card and is a fantastic value for your money. It's the obvious card of choice for modern low-cost gaming PC.

If your just going to replace the card in a couple of months or so either card will get you through, but the 7600 would be my choice.
 
SniperXx said:
I would buy a X1800xt but I can't see paying $250ish or so just to have the price drop well below $200 in a couple months. I know all video cards do this that why I stick with mid-range. Thats why I was thinking $80 X800xl now. In a couple months sell the X800xl for about the same I paid for it then getting a X1800xt or 7900GT(I'm not picky).
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x800XL is really not worth it.. it can barely play Call of Duty 2 let alone Oblivion and other games.

It would be a waste of money. If you want to get an x1800XT in couple of months then wait it out. Don't waste a penny on an x800XL.
 
SniperXx said:
I would buy a X1800xt but I can't see paying $250ish or so just to have the price drop well below $200 in a couple months. I know all video cards do this that why I stick with mid-range. Thats why I was thinking $80 X800xl now. In a couple months sell the X800xl for about the same I paid for it then getting a X1800xt or 7900GT(I'm not picky).
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The XT isn't going to drop prices too fast... It's already low @ $230 after rebate... I think the XTX and XT will drop dramtically once the new cards arive... but the xt... meh...

You should get the XL from your friend and hold out until something better comes along...
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
x800XL is really not worth it.. it can barely play Call of Duty 2 let alone Oblivion and other games.

It would be a waste of money. If you want to get an x1800XT in couple of months then wait it out. Don't waste a penny on an x800XL.
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It's about good as 6800gt or 6800gs... I don't know why that's not good enough? Sure it's not the fastest kid on the block but for $80 you can't go wrong...
 
well if I went with the 7600GT I was gonna try and hold off till Crysis/UT2007 which by then Vista/DX10 will be around I'd say.

In a couple months I might see how much it would cost to step up to a 7900GT if need to be.
 
SniperXx said:
well if I went with the 7600GT I was gonna try and hold off till Crysis/UT2007 which by then Vista/DX10 will be around I'd say.

In a couple months I might see how much it would cost to step up to a 7900GT if need to be.
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Exactly.. and x800XL already suffers when playing current games.. let alone games coming out in the next few months.

$80 is $80. If it doesn't give you at lest decent gameplay over your current setup then it's a wasted $80.

7600GT will play titles up until Crysis though. But if you're looking to get an x1800XT in the near future.. they're being phased out and replaced by the x1900GT. Odds are you'll be too late. They're already cheaper then there MSRP by ALOT. Name me another 512MB card with it's performance in the same price range?

If you get a 7600GT for $130USD (let's say) and in a few months an x1800XT drops to $200USD and you buy it.. you will have paid ~$330USD for your x1800XT. If you get one right now... you don't need to waste your money on a 7600GT or worry about selling it for a good price later on. If you wait you risk missing the x1800XT 512MB all together.
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
Exactly.. and x800XL already suffers when playing current games.. let alone games coming out in the next few months.

$80 is $80. If it doesn't give you at lest decent gameplay over your current setup then it's a wasted $80.

7600GT will play titles up until Crysis though. But if you're looking to get an x1800XT in the near future.. they're being phased out and replaced by the x1900GT. Odds are you'll be too late. They're already cheaper then there MSRP by ALOT. Name me another 512MB card with it's performance in the same price range?

If you get a 7600GT for $130USD (let's say) and in a few months an x1800XT drops to $200USD and you buy it.. you will have paid ~$330USD for your x1800XT. If you get one right now... you don't need to waste your money on a 7600GT or worry about selling it for a good price later on. If you wait you risk missing the x1800XT 512MB all together.
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You know you can always turn things off or set to medium... You don't always have to play max... He can resell the card and get better card later on... I don't think it's wasted money...

Personally if you buy high end stuff you're wasting more money... :(
 
Marvelous said:
You know you can always turn things off or set to medium... You don't always have to play max... He can resell the card and get better card later on... I don't think it's wasted money...

Personally if you buy high end stuff you're wasting more money... :(
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I would normally agree with you 100%
But given the price of an x1800XT 512MB... it's a highend card at a budget price. I don't EVER remember seeing a card with such good performance and strong future possible performance at such a price.

It can even be used as a physics accelerator down the road to process Effects or Gameplay physics. It's just an all around good investment.

He can probably play current games on a 9800XT 256MB with settings down to low/med. So honestly having to turn down settings in games and pay $80 for it just doesn't make sense when he can game full settings for $230USD.
 
I went from an x800xl to an x1800xt 512mb. The difference was almost as apparent as turning the PC on from it's Off state.

The x1800xt also overclocks better than the x800xl. Most I could get from the 800xl was about 50mhz above stock. The x1800xt I can run at 740mhz (over 100mhz above stock).
And at that speed it doesn't break a sweat playing what I do (oblivion right now) at the res I run at (1280x1024 - LCD).

How much farther down the road were you going to upgrade? 6 months? a year? IMO if it's less than 6 months, then it's almost a waste. At least do the Evga step-up program if it'll be upgraded in <6months
 
$80 for a x800xl is not a bad deal at all, considering that $80 will only fetch you a 6600gt on forums, and the x800xl is double the performance for a 6600gt
 
ElMoIsEviL said:
I would normally agree with you 100%
But given the price of an x1800XT 512MB... it's a highend card at a budget price. I don't EVER remember seeing a card with such good performance and strong future possible performance at such a price.

It can even be used as a physics accelerator down the road to process Effects or Gameplay physics. It's just an all around good investment.

He can probably play current games on a 9800XT 256MB with settings down to low/med. So honestly having to turn down settings in games and pay $80 for it just doesn't make sense when he can game full settings for $230USD.
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Yeah but coming from a 9800XT... He would probably double the performance with an XL...

With an XL you can still do 1024x768 max even on oblivion I'm sure without hdr of course...

XL is not a bad card... Good midrange card now... Hell he can sell his XT for a low price of $50 and get the XT for $30...
 
The X1800XT was just a example and was only if I bought the X800XL. I don't have my heart set on one. BTW I sell my old hardware when I upgrade to help purchase new stuff. I don't stick with a bunch of hardware.

I decided to get a EVGA 7600GT for $135 after rebate. Slap a Zalman on it and o/c it. Gonna hang on to it and might step it up in a couple months but that just depends on whats out there and for what prices. We'll see when the time comes. Reason I decided not to go with the x800XL is because I want to play my games near max settings(no AA) and I don't think the x800xl would allow some of the games to do that. I honestly can't see any difference between having AA or not. But I don't have the best eyes in the world either.

Thx for the comments.
 
nice choice ;)
you'll be much happier running with that 7600gt than the x800xl.

Tell your friend to stick that x800xl on Ebay with a very good description and someone will pay more than $100 for it. That's what I did to mine last month ;) (sold it for $149 actually)
 
For all of you bitching about how I am all riled up about dx10, I'm saying for a midrange card in this generation, you can get a free next generation card (nearly free) 3 months down the road. For all of you bitching about how I don't know what I'm talking about, the 7600gt > 6800ultra for $140. The x800xl = 6800gt. Who's stupid enough to go with an x800xl for $80 when you can get a 6800ultra for $140 that can become an 8600gt down the road. If you buy evga's 7600gt now, you can rent an excellent mid ranged card for the price of shipping and handling.
 
Monkey_feces said:
For all of you bitching about how I am all riled up about dx10, I'm saying for a midrange card in this generation, you can get a free next generation card (nearly free) 3 months down the road. For all of you bitching about how I don't know what I'm talking about, the 7600gt > 6800ultra for $140. The x800xl = 6800gt. Who's stupid enough to go with an x800xl for $80 when you can get a 6800ultra for $140 that can become an 8600gt down the road. If you buy evga's 7600gt now, you can rent an excellent mid ranged card for the price of shipping and handling.
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WTH you want to rent video cards? Ultras are not $140 nor can it turn into 8600GT... :confused:

You know how stupid you sound? Difference between a 7600GT/6800 ultra against 6800GT and 800XL is minimal... Few frames at most...

Anyway Sniper... Good choice either way... You have Sm3 to play with...
 
You can buy my x800xt for $120 shipped :)

About 5% slower then the 7600gt. I do think that you should go for the x800xl if you want to save money though. The x8xx series has very good performance per dollar, as long as you dont NEED SM 3.0. 6800gt/ultra are a bit slower then x800xt/x850xt, and you end up paying more for them. If you can stretch your budget, the x1800gto is not a bad choice either.
 
Marvelous said:
WTH you want to rent video cards? Ultras are not $140 nor can it turn into 8600GT... :confused:

You know how stupid you sound? Difference between a 7600GT/6800 ultra against 6800GT and 800XL is minimal... Few frames at most...

Anyway Sniper... Good choice either way... You have Sm3 to play with...
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Minimal you say!? Minimal is the differencee between a 7600gt and a 6800ultra. The x850xt outperforms the x800xl on an average of 20fps on higher resolutions (1600x1200). The 7600gt rivals the x850xt in performance and has shader model 3.0. Read my whole fucking post. I said you can step up to an 8600gt if you go for an evga 7600gt. For an average of a 20 fps advantage, sm 3.0, lifetime warranty, being brand new, step up to next gen for marginally higher price + shipping, for $140, hell yeah, the 7600gt would be a rental and I wouldn't even consider the x800xl.
 
Monkey_feces said:
Minimal you say!? Minimal is the differencee between a 7600gt and a 6800ultra. The x850xt outperforms the x800xl on an average of 20fps on higher resolutions (1600x1200). The 7600gt rivals the x850xt in performance and has shader model 3.0. Read my whole fucking post. I said you can step up to an 8600gt if you go for an evga 7600gt. For an average of a 20 fps advantage, sm 3.0, lifetime warranty, being brand new, step up to next gen for marginally higher price + shipping, for $140, hell yeah, the 7600gt would be a rental and I wouldn't even consider the x800xl.
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http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=313&model2=290&chart=97

Again minimal gain...

This is against an 6800ultra vs 800xl in FEAR 1600x1200 4x AA 8xAF...

Actually 800xl beats an ultra in this benchmark @ high resolution...

I don't know why you try to compare to 850xt when clearly that card beats an ultra.... Probably 7600GT too... Although I've never seem them compared...

The X850xt beats an 800XL in fear by 4 FPS.... Same resolution as before...

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=313&model2=310&chart=97

Step up to 8600GT great.... At what cost?

With an 800XL you can just sell it later.... And buy whatever the hump you want...

I've seen deals go down.... Way better deals than trading up your video card with EVGA...,
 
SM3 must have been enabled on the nvidia card and the x800xl probably was running in sm2. x800xl performance is supposed to be similar to 6800gt performance, yet the x800xl beats the 6800ulta http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1070014 . The x850xt beats the ultra and 7600gt, but it doesn't have sm3. Even then, the performance difference between the x850xt and 7600gt is marginal.

Mid range cards upon release almost always carry a $200 msrp which is what I expect the op will have to pay. If evga deducts the rebate, you pay a $60 difference for a 7900gt or gtx that has dx10 features (mid range of next gen = top dog of last). If they don't subtract the rebate, you pay $30 for a step up.

In 3 months, tell me, who are you going to sell the used, by two previous owners, card to? Even if you get a good price, will it be enough to make you spend only $30/60 difference for a next gen card?

I'm sure the sm 2 limited, used, power hogging, and almighty performing x800xl is a far better deal than the 7600gt which supports full hdr, handles power consumption efficiently, is future proof by step-up, carries a manufacture warranty for a lifetime, is BRAND SPANKING NEW, and costs only $140.

Why can't you face the fact that the 7600gt is a better deal and performs better than the x800xl? I know the OP's money isn't your money, but try not to persuade people to waste their hard earned cash, computer enthusiasts are smarter than that.

Op, if you bought your 7600gt at monarch and it was an evga, then we have the same product :) Im slapping a zalman vf-700 alcu on mine. When our cards get shipped, let's compare our OCs.
 
Monkey_feces said:
SM3 must have been enabled on the nvidia card and the x800xl probably was running in sm2. x800xl performance is supposed to be similar to 6800gt performance, yet the x800xl beats the 6800ulta http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1070014 . The x850xt beats the ultra and 7600gt, but it doesn't have sm3. Even then, the performance difference between the x850xt and 7600gt is marginal.

Mid range cards upon release almost always carry a $200 msrp which is what I expect the op will have to pay. If evga deducts the rebate, you pay a $60 difference for a 7900gt or gtx that has dx10 features (mid range of next gen = top dog of last). If they don't subtract the rebate, you pay $30 for a step up.

In 3 months, tell me, who are you going to sell the used, by two previous owners, card to? Even if you get a good price, will it be enough to make you spend only $30/60 difference for a next gen card?

I'm sure the sm 2 limited, used, power hogging, and almighty performing x800xl is a far better deal than the 7600gt which supports full hdr, handles power consumption efficiently, is future proof by step-up, carries a manufacture warranty for a lifetime, is BRAND SPANKING NEW, and costs only $140.

Why can't you face the fact that the 7600gt is a better deal and performs better than the x800xl? I know the OP's money isn't your money, but try not to persuade people to waste their hard earned cash, computer enthusiasts are smarter than that.

Op, if you bought your 7600gt at monarch and it was an evga, then we have the same product :) Im slapping a zalman vf-700 alcu on mine. When our cards get shipped, let's compare our OCs.
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What you forget to mention is that you're already spending extra $60+ now after rebate you might not get back...

New tech makes old tech more future proof... Future proof.. blah blah... All the same to me... It's all DX9 cards... that do the same thing... I haven't yet played a game where dx9b cards can't play a game because it didn't have HDR...

I've seen 512meg 1800xl for $200 last month? Can your midrange video card perform anywhere near a High end card? 7600GT isn't that much better than 6800GS, 6800GT, or 800XL...

Step up programs doesn't always favor your way... IT just gives you options but most likely you will have better deals on the web if you just sold your card on ebay...
 
Marvelous said:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=313&model2=290&chart=97

Again minimal gain...

This is against an 6800ultra vs 800xl in FEAR 1600x1200 4x AA 8xAF...

Actually 800xl beats an ultra in this benchmark @ high resolution...

I don't know why you try to compare to 850xt when clearly that card beats an ultra.... Probably 7600GT too... Although I've never seem them compared...

The X850xt beats an 800XL in fear by 4 FPS.... Same resolution as before...

http://www23.tomshardware.com/graphics.html?modelx=33&model1=313&model2=310&chart=97

Step up to 8600GT great.... At what cost?

With an 800XL you can just sell it later.... And buy whatever the hump you want...

I've seen deals go down.... Way better deals than trading up your video card with EVGA...,
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This review seems to like the 7600GT over the X850XT,X1800GTO and 6800GS:
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/03/21/bfg_7600_gt_oc_ati_x1800gto/8.html

Pretty much the 7600GT beats X850XT in some games but it beats 7600GT by a few FPS in other games. So pretty much I'd say it's on par with X850XT but has SM3/HDR. Which is the only real reason I decide to go with it over X800XL. Nothing more.
 
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