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Which Video Card? (high end)

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xyber

Limp Gawd
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Which 8x AGP video card would you buy? Name the exact brand and chipset please!
For example: Asus X800 XT
 
BFG 6800Ultra or GT. Hands down, they perform very well, and NVidia's linux support is the best in the industry.
 
Oh, if money was no object definitely the Asus X800XT or a Vivo X800Pro just to see how well the extra pipes unlock. And leave at least good $50 for one of the new VGA silencers or a watercooler (or go crazy with something even better) and crank up the mhz.

http://www.futuremark.com/community/halloffame/

Posted not so much to show 3dMark scores, but the achieveable with liquid cooling 800Mhz corespeeds on the X800XT(PE)... I'd wager to say even a dual Sli'ed PCIE GF6800ultra would find good competition against a single liquid cooled X800XT.
 
If I had $600 that I just had to spend on a video card, I'd get a X800XT PE...doesn't matter brand.
 
k either get a 6800 ultra or a x800 xt, it doesn't matter, their both crazy good. Oh yeah and get the silencer with it though. Flip a coin for the card, then for the brand, even though I think gainward or sapphire would be one of the beter ones
 
el_lance_o said:
k either get a 6800 ultra or a x800 xt, it doesn't matter, their both crazy good. Oh yeah and get the silencer with it though. Flip a coin for the card, then for the brand, even though I think gainward or sapphire would be one of the beter ones
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Agreed either a X800XT PE or 6800 Ultra you will be very happy either way, the difference between them is too small to really worry.
 
Hmm, I'm just wondering for that x800 pro mod into x800xt... anyone recommend?
 
isnt that X800pro to XT a 50/50 chance of getting it? youd be better off buying the actual card. and picking between the 6800ultra and x800xtpe would be based on which games you play now and plan to play in the future.
 
saturnine2 said:
BFG 6800Ultra or GT. Hands down, they perform very well, and NVidia's linux support is the best in the industry.
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*Yawn*.....not everyone uses linux......get a new reason.

and @ DirtyApe.....I think if u get a Pro VIVO its pretty much 100% success rate. I've done 4 now for friends, all running at x800 XT PE, 520core 560 memory, no problems.
 
Tigerblade said:
*Yawn*.....not everyone uses linux......get a new reason.
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Ok then, their Windows drivers are better, dual monitor support is better, they outperform ATI cards in the Doom3 engine (which will be used in a LOT of upcoming games), and they use a totally new gpu, unlike ATI's rehash of the 9*00 gpu. Enough reasons? :D
 
Get one of the X800XT's with the artic cooling silencer on as standard - can't remember the make. That would be both fast, quiet and doesn't require anything doing to it that invalidates your warranty.
 
saturnine2 said:
Ok then, their Windows drivers are better, dual monitor support is better, they outperform ATI cards in the Doom3 engine (which will be used in a LOT of upcoming games), and they use a totally new gpu, unlike ATI's rehash of the 9*00 gpu. Enough reasons? :D
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Yes it outperforms it, but last time I looked Doom 3 was smooth as silk at 1280 x1024 at 4xaa and 16 af on Ultra settings with the XT PE,good enough for me :) . Name ALOT of games please.Erm, COD 2, Quake 4 and RTCW 2 aren't ALOT of games in my book. Windows drivers being better is seriosuly debateable. And is using rehashed gpu's a crime?....havent nvidia done that nearly thru there entire series??They bring out a card with SM3.0 and now ATI are crap because R3xx and R4xx are similar...lmao....what about geforce 3 and 4?

Lets add, only really have 'decent' drivers for popular games, an SM3.0 card that won't be fast enough to actual play a fully coded SM3.0 game......

At the end of the day the x800 XT PE is the fastest card for MAJORITY of games period
 
Tigerblade said:
Lets add, only really have 'decent' drivers for popular games, an SM3.0 card that won't be fast enough to actual play a fully coded SM3.0 game......
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Why do people like you talk about stuff you don't know, I'm working with things like that, and these cards are fine to run the next gen games with everything on max.

ATi dirvers have improved greatly, but still have a bit of room to improve. They are definitly stable.
 
rancor said:
Why do people like you talk about stuff you don't know, I'm working with things like that, and these cards are fine to run the next gen games with everything on max.
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But you don't disagree with the rest.........i rest my case.

Just to add.....that sentance doesn't make 'business' sense. IF these cards can run next gen 3d engines maxed out smooth....why would we ever wanna buy the next gen cards....I seriously doubt what ur saying is right, otherwise nvidia would be shooting themselves in the foot. And be wasting serious amounts of cash in R&D on their next wave of cards....cos they'd be pointless cos the GT and Ultra run everything next gen fine anyway......
 
Tigerblade said:
But you don't disagree with the rest.........i rest my case.
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I don't disagree with the rest, because both cards are equal in performance, other then in Ogl, and ATi has no fix for that and can't make a fix.
 
Tigerblade said:
Double negative means a positive....so u agree :) ta for your support man :)
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lol sorry, yeah but whats left, same performance in dx, better overall drivers not by much though, still have improvements in the drivers that can be made for the nV cards, better ogl performance, which ATi can't fix on thier cards, more feature support.
 
rancor said:
lol sorry, yeah but whats left, same performance in dx, better overall drivers not by much though, still have improvements in the drivers that can be made for the nV cards, better ogl performance, which ATi can't fix on thier cards, more feature support.
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Debateable about same performance in Dx........
 
I would go with a X800pro ViVo $399. The softmod is simple and works perfectly. It is the best deal out there, period! My X800pro flashed to XT PE with no hicups whatsoever and is capable of running at 540/570 stock. Buy a X800pro ViVo and spend the extra 200 elswhere.
 
Tigerblade said:
Debateable about same performance in Dx........
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Its the same performance tiger people who think aa and af performance has anything to do with dx or ogl are totally blind.
 
Tigerblade said:
*Yawn*.....not everyone uses linux......get a new reason.

and @ DirtyApe.....I think if u get a Pro VIVO its pretty much 100% success rate. I've done 4 now for friends, all running at x800 XT PE, 520core 560 memory, no problems.
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wow thats great. i didnt realize that doing this was that successful.
 
rancor said:
I don't disagree with the rest, because both cards are equal in performance, other then in Ogl, and ATi has no fix for that and can't make a fix.
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No they're not, show us proof where they are equal in DX. Or are you making things up? I can point to several reviews that clearly show the XT's ahead of the 6800s in DX games.
 
MFZ said:
No they're not, show us proof where they are equal in DX. Or are you making things up? I can point to several reviews that clearly show the XT's ahead of the 6800s in DX games.
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Show me that ATi leads at 1600x1200 with no aa and af :D have not seen a single benchmark where the games are very close in Dx
 
rancor said:
Show me that ATi leads at 1600x1200 with no aa and af :D have not seen a single benchmark where the games are very close in Dx
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Who the hell cares about no AA/AF? Just you rancor...making stuff up again as usual. BTW we'll talk again in 1 yr when my XT PE is in "the grave".
 
Either one of the high end cards from ATI or Nvidia would be a solid performer at that price range. Get one with a lifetime warranty if your paying that kind of money for it. I'm sure there are others but BFG and Visiontek are the first two with lifetime warranty that come to mind.
 
MFZ said:
Who the hell cares about no AA/AF? Just you rancor...making stuff up again as usual. BTW we'll talk again in 1 yr when my XT PE is in "the grave".
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Would be nice if people can actaully buy one isn't it.

We are talking about "Dx" performance in Dx games, well no need to throw in driver optimizations which have nothing to do with Dx in there is there?
 
rancor said:
Would be nice if people can actaully buy one isn't it.

We are talking about "Dx" performance in Dx games, well no need to throw in driver optimizations which have nothing to do with Dx in there is there?
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I just bought an XT PE today. :confused: Now you're grasping at straws, dx performance in dx games but ignore the obvious AA/AF that everyone is going to use? What kind of vulcan logic is that?
 
MFZ said:
I just bought an XT PE today. :confused: Now you're grasping at straws, dx performance in dx games but ignore the obvious AA/AF that everyone is going to use? What kind of vulcan logic is that?
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Its very logical, if you don't understand then you haven't looked into enough yet.

AA and AF opts are something nV can increase performance in I'm not ingoring that, which I stated early


Its the same performance tiger people who think aa and af performance has anything to do with dx or ogl are totally blind.
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rancor said:
Its very logical, if you don't understand then you haven't looked into enough yet.

AA and AF opts are something nV can increase performance in I'm not ingoring that, which I stated early
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LOL I see so all these sites that have reviews should discard their AA/AF scores because rancor says they have optimizations and therefore are not valid. Also, people buying these cards should completely ignore AA/AF and wait in hopes that someday nVidia will catch up. Ok we get it rancor, you make perfect sense.
 
MFZ said:
LOL I see so all these sites that have reviews should discard their AA/AF scores because rancor says they have optimizations and therefore are not valid. Also, people buying these cards should completely ignore AA/AF and wait in hopes that someday nVidia will catch up. Ok we get it rancor, you make perfect sense.
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http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/graphics-cards-2004.html

Interesting its still very close I think this was an article where they turned off nV's opts too

With older drivers as well. And there wasn't much of a change from 4.6 to 4.8 anyhow for ATi, but from nV there was alot from 61.34 to 66 series now. Also there has been a big change in nV's opts for aa and af too.
 
MFZ said:
LOL I see so all these sites that have reviews should discard their AA/AF scores because rancor says they have optimizations and therefore are not valid. Also, people buying these cards should completely ignore AA/AF and wait in hopes that someday nVidia will catch up. Ok we get it rancor, you make perfect sense.
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AA/AF are API independant, you can't turn to either as support for a blanket "this card is better with this API" statement. You want to make that kind of a statement you run those benchs in pure mode. It's like with a scientific experiment, you can't have 2 variables, and AA/AF are the second variable. Obviously, as a consumer we don't care about any of this, end of the day performence is what sings to us. But we're discussing theoretics here, so either play by the rules or go home titto.

So no, ATI ISN'T better in DX, it's better in AA/AF. Are you following the logic there?
 
rancor said:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/graphics-cards-2004.html

Interesting its still very close I think this was an article where they turned off nV's opts too

With older drivers as well. And there wasn't much of a change from 4.6 to 4.8 anyhow for ATi, but from nV there was alot from 61.34 to 66 series now. Also there has been a big change in nV's opts for aa and af too.
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I'd hate to use Toms Hardware as a source since I think that site sucks but they do have a recent review with some games other than the standard UT2004/Halo/Fary Cry that most reviewers feature: Toms


And of course DH though I know some people here dislike them but they do use the latest drivers: http://www.driverheaven.net/reviews/PNY/index.htm

Pretty much all the benchmarks show the XT's leading in D3D with AA/AF enabled at a high res. However, those are pretty much standard fare games that I'm sure both IHV's have optimized like crazy for. I've really had a hard time finding reviews that show non-standard games like MMORPGs, Strategy etc. The only one coming close was Toms and DH. On that note I really wish reviewers would start including a more diverse set of games, gets pretty boring seeing cloned reviews, don't ya agree?
 
The Batman said:
AA/AF are API independant, you can't turn to either as support for a blanket "this card is better with this API" statement. You want to make that kind of a statement you run those benchs in pure mode. It's like with a scientific experiment, you can't have 2 variables, and AA/AF are the second variable. Obviously, as a consumer we don't care about any of this, end of the day performence is what sings to us. But we're discussing theoretics here, so either play by the rules or go home titto.

So no, ATI ISN'T better in DX, it's better in AA/AF. Are you following the logic there?
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No we're not discussing theoretics here, who said we were? We're talking about including everything and especially AA/AF which is naturally part of using DX. Nobody cares about pure DX son, why would they when making a $400+ purchase? To go off on a tangent about theoretics is just a weak cop-out.
 
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