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which OS?

Less than what? IMO Vista is more stable than XP. I haven't had a single crash or bluescreen. In fact the only Issues I've had were my monitor and/ or its cable.

For me Vista is the most stable windows OS I've ever used.
 
OmegaAvenger said:
Less than what? IMO Vista is more stable than XP. I haven't had a single crash or bluescreen. In fact the only Issues I've had were my monitor and/ or its cable.

For me Vista is the most stable windows OS I've ever used.
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lol i know, im just saying, that the mathematical statement he made implies that vista sucks donkey balls..... look at the statement :)
 
griffinhart said:
As for the original question. Vista 64 Business is my first suggestion unless the Media Center application is absolutely required. It's about $40 more for the OEM version over Home Premium, but Shadow Copy/Previous Versions are more than worth it IMHO.
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Shadow Copy is actually present in Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium, and enabled by default. What is 'missing' is the contexual user interface via which previous versions of files are accessed and recovered.

Whilst that full contexual interface and access would need Vista Business, Ultimate or Enterprise, for a user with a modicum of nous adequate access to previous versions of files can be had in Vista Home Basic and Vista Home Premium simply by downloading and using the freebie Shadow Explorer.
 
I'd get Windows Vista Home Premium 64-bit, as it's the fastest, most stable proprietary operating system you can get. XP is obsolete and should be beyond it's life cycle (Unfortunately it isn't, since too many people listen to Vista-Hate blogs and bad rumors about Vista)
 
While Vista is fine for new users coming into computers these days, XP is far, very very far from being obsolete. One could almost consider that FUD against XP... so don't go there. ;)
 
Joe Average said:
While Vista is fine for new users coming into computers these days, XP is far, very very far from being obsolete. One could almost consider that FUD against XP... so don't go there. ;)
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It is, though. Vista has much newer APIs, and almost everything is rebuilt. It's much faster than XP if you have a high end computer, and with Windows 7 and DirectX 11 on the horizon, the only thing keeping XP alive is all the FUD against Vista. You wouldn't put a 7 year old video card in your gaming rig, so why would you use a 7 year old operating system?

It could be comparable to putting Windows 98 on your gaming rig a few years ago. XP and 2000 were a big step forward from Windows 98, and people pretty soon started calling 98 obsolete. Vista is as big of a step forward as 2000 and XP were, and yet people are digging their heels in.
 
You cannot compare the lifespan of software against the lifespan of hardware. Games from 7 years ago (software) would play ridiculously fast on today's graphics cards and CPUs - hence the software has long lifespan; inversely, today's games couldn't play for shit on video cards and CPUs from 7 years ago.

It's all about the software... and XP is software, hence, it will run faster on the same hardware than Vista does when comparing the basic OS itself. Anyone that thinks 10 million lines of code runs slower than 50 million or more on the same machine has some screws loose. Vista uses the hardware more efficiently, perhaps, but that alone does not make XP obsolete.

Obsolete is simply not the word to use - "matured" would be I'd say, because it is an incredibly mature and highly stable OS now because of those 7 years put into it. "New" doesn't mean better... it just means younger.

"Age and treachery will always overcome youth and enthusiasm..." ;)
 
Joe Average said:
Obsolete is simply not the word to use
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Quoted and endorsed in bucketloads!



'pooter out in my shed is an old AMD K6-2 500Mhz Compaq jobbie, which runs Windows 98. It gets used for maintaining some inventory lists, maintaining a digital music library and managing payback via the shed stereo when shed is cleared out and being used for partying, and very occasionally converting a vinyl LP to CD when I'm out there working on something or other handyman style.

Obsolete? No way. There's absolutely no need whatsoever nor benefit to be gained from using anything other than what's there already and works perfectly well.
There are plenty of things I wouldn't dream of trying to do on that particular boxen, of course, but that's because for those tasks it'd be "not suitable". Obsolete it's not.
 
Well it's all in terms of what you mean by obsolete.

He's right that it is obsolete if you go by the definition of "no longer the latest/ most current".

And you guys are right that it isn't obsolete if you go by the definition of "no longer used/ of use".

But I think it's kind of obvious to everyone he wasn't originally using it in the latter seeing as people still sing their praises of XP everyday. ;)
 
staknhalo said:
He's right that it is obsolete if you go by the definition of "no longer the latest/ most current".
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'cepting that you won't find a dictionary anywhere which includes THAT as a definition of "obsolete".

'Outmoded' (i.e. Of no further use)
'No longer in use'

Those are what "obsolete" means!
 
Catweazle said:
'cepting that you won't find a dictionary anywhere which includes THAT as a definition of "obsolete".
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C'mon you could have at least done a Google search and at least checked the very first link before making such a claim:

 
I was talking about REAL ones, staknhalo, not the trailer-trash varieties!

I wouldn't turn to Dr. Phil as any sort of learned reference in the field of Psychology, either!

:D
 
Catweazle said:
I was talking about REAL ones, staknhalo, not the trailer-trash varieties!

I wouldn't turn to Dr. Phil as any sort of learned reference in the field of Psychology, either!

:D
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Lol, since when is Webster's not a real dictionary? Many regard it as THE dictionary. It's been around for over a hundred years! :p
 
Joe Average said:
It's all about the software... and XP is software, hence, it will run faster on the same hardware than Vista does when comparing the basic OS itself. Anyone that thinks 10 million lines of code runs slower than 50 million or more on the same machine has some screws loose. Vista uses the hardware more efficiently, perhaps, but that alone does not make XP obsolete.
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I'll take Vista's stability and security over 32-bit XP theoretical speed advantage.

I find it interesting that most common linux distros are bulkier and slower than XP and have been for awhile, yet Vista gets all the flak for being bigger.

XP is old. I wouldn't call it obsolete yet in the same sense as Windows 98 or NT since its still in widespread use, but I wouldn't consider using it on a new machine unless its absolutely necessary. Vista looks nicer, has more features, is more stable/secure, and doesn't run any slower than XP on current hardware.
 
staknhalo said:
Lol, since when is Webster's not a real dictionary? Many regard it as THE dictionary. It's been around for over a hundred years! :p
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heh heh....

I was referring to online offerings mate, rather than company. And in any case Merriam-webster isn't first google return for me - it's coming in down near bottom of page.


Online dictionary offerings are, in general, about as sophisticated as the little, cheap shirt-pocket sized print jobbies aimed at primary school kids. That's what I meant by the comment above.

Anyways, it was an exercise in being light-hearted. No need to make too much of it :)
 
Catweazle said:
it was an exercise in being light-hearted. No need to make too much of it :)
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Agreed, it was all just in good discussion. I wasn't taking any of it to heart and I hope you weren't neither.
 
Been running Xp x64 for couple years on my system. Rock solid and fast. Better than 32bit version. Way more reliable. The speedy'ness the day you install it never goes away. I tried vista but nothing has been this stable for me for so long without reinstalling than xp x64. Drivers use to be a problem but now it has a lot better support for it. Should check though just to make sure. Detects my 4GB of ram also. You don't have that vista bloat either. ;)
 
As much as I like XP, support for Vista and beyond is where I see things going, so for new builds I see no reason to go XP.
 
www.google.com define:<word> always works for me as it pulls definitions from a variety of sources. And yes I was tempted to pull out that eDictionary resource and throw out the definition but thought better of it.

People have been telling me XP Pro x64 is "obsolete" almost from the day it hit the shelf. Sorry, but I'll be happy with this box for years to come, and with XP Pro x64 it screams. Oh, yes, the 8GB of RAM and the 6GB RAMdisk do have a hand in that but but but... :D

Obsolete? Not even. XP obsolete? Not for another 5 years, at the minimum.
 
Joe Average said:
People have been telling me XP Pro x64 is "obsolete" almost from the day it hit the shelf.
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XP64 never hit the "shelf". It's always been an OEM-only product.

XP64 was good, I ran it for well over a year without any problems. I still have my XP64 t-shirt I got from a MS event which I can't wear anymore since it's so big on me now.

XP64 was always kind of the red-headed stepchild. Once MS pidgeon-holed it to an OEM thing the potential for it fell through the floor. It's still a great OS, but even MS has no real site for it anymore, their old XP64 page has been revamped into a Vista x64 portal.

Use whatever makes you happy.
 
Well, since we're playing the semantic game, it's not XP64, it's XP Pro x64. XP 64 is/was the Itanium only edition, and I assure you I don't own an Itanium processor. ;)
 
I have a simple question: Does windows Vista Home Premium include MS Office? I really need to have Excel, and having PP and Word is basically also necessary
 
InnocentNoobie said:
That's a fucking bitch
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http://www.theultimatesteal.com

No, the bitch is that students get huge fucking discounts for stuff and "normal" folk get fucked on the pricing. That's the bitch...

I mean really, as if the guy flipping burgers can afford $499 for a damned software package anymore than a college puke who could be on a scholarship with some cash from home too, I have no idea. But I find it lame that so many discounts get tossed to students sometimes. Just seems really lopsided.
 
So you're jealous that right now I can go online and get a copy of Server 2008, Server 2003, Vista Business x64, x86, XP Pro x86, x64, XP x86 SP1, Virtual PC 2007 and a handful of other titles, for free, with full activation keys?
 
Jealous? Of course not. I have my own MSDN sub that I've maintained for 10 years, and a box full of the same stuff you just listed, NFR copies that I get for attending seminars and conferences - so much of it I could sell it for the low six figures if I was desparate.

Why would I be jealous? :D
 
You you getting all that stuff is OK, but it's "a bitch" that a student get's Office 07, for $60.
 
I'm pissed because "normal" folk - average Joe's and Joan's (not me, I assure you) - get shafted. There's nothing "normal" about me with the time I've put into the computer industry in my lifetime.

So a kid going to college on someone else's dime (I'm generalizing, sue me) gets a massive break in the cost of software - and a kid that can't afford to go to college nor get student loans to afford it gets shafted because of it by not being able to afford the software the college puke gets at the massive discount.

Oh yeah, that's fair across the board. NOT.

And I mention this because I have friends that can't afford to go to college but are worthy of it and they don't get the breaks college kids do. I know one guy that saved an entire year to be able to afford a MacBook because he really wanted one. Worked his ass off, paid his bills, was a typical "nice guy" and slaved to get the damned thing.

Went to the Apple Store here in Las Vegas to get one of the new ones that just got upgraded to the aluminum bodies, and the college puke in front of him was literally buying the same laptop - for $600 less because he's a student at UNLV. That was like 5 months of savings to the friend of mine... talk about a slap in the face and insult to injury.

Smart guy though: he took the MacBook back a week later because it's crap and the optical drive was defective. Now he's happy with a Dell Latitude E6400 that is more powerful, faster, and has twice the RAM and hard drive space with an optical drive that just works. ;)

Oh, and it was $475 less than the MacBook...

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Joe Average said:
http://www.theultimatesteal.com

No, the bitch is that students get huge fucking discounts for stuff and "normal" folk get fucked on the pricing. That's the bitch...

I mean really, as if the guy flipping burgers can afford $499 for a damned software package anymore than a college puke who could be on a scholarship with some cash from home too, I have no idea. But I find it lame that so many discounts get tossed to students sometimes. Just seems really lopsided.
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Because the college student has generally been referred to as the 'poor college student'. And for the most part, that is a true statement. Have you not seen how much tuition costs these days?
 
Joe Average said:
http://www.theultimatesteal.com

No, the bitch is that students get huge fucking discounts for stuff and "normal" folk get fucked on the pricing. That's the bitch...

I mean really, as if the guy flipping burgers can afford $499 for a damned software package anymore than a college puke who could be on a scholarship with some cash from home too, I have no idea. But I find it lame that so many discounts get tossed to students sometimes. Just seems really lopsided.
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Agree in general principle. With the "get fucked on the pricing" bit, anyways.


I kinda don't think the student deal on Office 2007 Ultimate is the appropriate comparison though. There IS a version of Office 2007 aimed at 'the guy flipping burgers' amongst others - Office Home and Student. It's way cheaper the price you've mentioned.

But people buying it are still getting 'fucked over' even though it's a really cheap '3 computers' license, because it omits Outlook. Core apps in Office are Outlook, Word, Excel and Powerpoint. A basic, cheap, general use license should include all 4 of them, it's as simple as that.
 
SEE?!?!?! Someone else gets it too... ;) Now I don't feel quite as bad as I did just 30 seconds ago. hehe
 
InnocentNoobie: There's also OpenOffice and StarOffice (free with Google Pack) that you can download if youdon't have the money for Microsoft Office yet.
 
smackedownz said:
Building a new system.

Q6600
4GB Corsair Dominator 1066
GTX 260
ASUS P5Q Pro

Will be doing video encoding, web browsing, gaming.

What should I buy?
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Sorry but only you can decide what you should buy. Just look over these forums and probably even this thread that I won't read and you will see that what works for one does not work for all.

You list 4gig of ram so 64bit is the way to go.

As for what 64bit OS you should read the forum and decide for your self.

Personally I decided I want to move to 4gig of ram and Vista 64bit when I built a new PC almost 2 years ago now. I haven't once been disappointed and even miss some of the Vista features when using an older system.

Best advice I can give other then to read the forum is to make sure the hardware and software you want to run are both supported or that you can find a suitable replacement before you buy.
 
Joe Average said:
http://www.theultimatesteal.com


I mean really, as if the guy flipping burgers can afford $499 for a damned software package anymore than a college puke who could be on a scholarship with some cash from home too, I have no idea.
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If he is on a scholarship it most likely means the student earned it.

If you had said financial aid instead of scholarship then I would agree, but I think that is a problem with the way financial aid works. When you fill out your FAFSA, and if you have divorced parents, you only have to give one of their incomes. I've met plenty of kids who have an unemployed dead-beat dad -- or at least one with a small income -- who gets a shitload of financial aid and has money coming in from their Mom's side (usually the dude their mom remarried)

But if you want to know what's going on, it's a concept called price discrimination. Firms do it whenever they can, if they can. Look it up in an economics textbook if you're interested.
 
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