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Which One To Buy????
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The Batman
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Get the 9800Pro. Overall its the better performer. Besides, the Pro was made to compete with the 5900ULTRA, not the 5900XT. They're not even in the same league.
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If you can, hold out for a little while and get the 6600 for around $199.
If you have to get one now, go with the 5900xt. It's on par with a 9800pro, which is faster in DX 9 based games, while the 5900xt is faster in Open GL based games. In comparing drivers and game compatibility, that advantage definitely goes to nVidia and the 5900xt.
But, as I said, your best bang for the buck would be waiting for and getting an nVidia 6600.
If you have to get one now, go with the 5900xt. It's on par with a 9800pro, which is faster in DX 9 based games, while the 5900xt is faster in Open GL based games. In comparing drivers and game compatibility, that advantage definitely goes to nVidia and the 5900xt.
But, as I said, your best bang for the buck would be waiting for and getting an nVidia 6600.
You know...all you people who keep posting to get the 6600 do realize it's PCI-E?
Meaning he would have upgrade his motherboard.
Maybe Nvidia will release an AGP version (and probably will) but currently PCI-e version isn't even available.
So that makes A: longer wait
B: more expensive and "annoying" (gotta get another motherboard)
Meaning he would have upgrade his motherboard.
Maybe Nvidia will release an AGP version (and probably will) but currently PCI-e version isn't even available.
So that makes A: longer wait
B: more expensive and "annoying" (gotta get another motherboard)
Personally, I'd still wait for the AGP version rather than buy old technology. The PCI-e version of the 6600 should be available later this month, and nVidia surely will be eager to get an AGP version of their mainstream card since the mainstream motherboards are still AGP. Of course, I have no idea how soon this will happen, which is why I also agree with Badger_sly that he should get the 5900XT if he can't wait.Netrat33 said:
MWWInc said:
Maybe I'm not understanding you.
The PCI-e version IS newer technology. Don't get it confused with regular PCI cards
You can't just put a PCI-E card in your current motherboard.
If I'm not reading what you posted correctly: my bad.
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If you want to play HL2 stay the hell away from the FX line. They default to DX 8.1 and forcing them to play in DX9 brings them to their knees.
Seriously, have you guys lost your fuckin' minds? Why the hell are you reccomending a freaking 5900XT? Only logical reason to get one over a 9800Pro would be price [if it's $50 cheaper than it's a good deal]. The Pro will absolutely destroy it in every D3D game out there and short of D3 it'll play any OGL game out there as well as the XT. The 5900Ultra will give the Pro a better run for it's money but it's still not the better buy.
Yeesh, here I am, one of the biggest nvidiots on these boards having to stave off my own kind to further an ATI product. Start checking for signs of Ragnarok.
Just take it from a person who owned an FX card [ME!], they can't compete with their Radeon counterparts. There was a reason after all for ATIs dominance for the last two years before the NV40s.
Seriously, have you guys lost your fuckin' minds? Why the hell are you reccomending a freaking 5900XT? Only logical reason to get one over a 9800Pro would be price [if it's $50 cheaper than it's a good deal]. The Pro will absolutely destroy it in every D3D game out there and short of D3 it'll play any OGL game out there as well as the XT. The 5900Ultra will give the Pro a better run for it's money but it's still not the better buy.
Yeesh, here I am, one of the biggest nvidiots on these boards having to stave off my own kind to further an ATI product. Start checking for signs of Ragnarok.
Just take it from a person who owned an FX card [ME!], they can't compete with their Radeon counterparts. There was a reason after all for ATIs dominance for the last two years before the NV40s.
Agreed with Batman.
I had a Pro 128 model, sold it because I thought it was causing crashes (long story, all being my fault)
Bought a 5950 (256 megs) card, performance sucked compared to the Pro
Took it back 3 days later and accepted the open box service fee at the place I bought it.
But I was way happier with the Pro model
(didn't have a video card for a while because I released how close the next gen cards were to be released)
I had a Pro 128 model, sold it because I thought it was causing crashes (long story, all being my fault)
Bought a 5950 (256 megs) card, performance sucked compared to the Pro
Took it back 3 days later and accepted the open box service fee at the place I bought it.
But I was way happier with the Pro model
(didn't have a video card for a while because I released how close the next gen cards were to be released)
By older tech I meant the 5900 series, rather than waiting for the 6600 series (newer tech).Netrat33 said:
Yup, sheerly for the price while he saves his pennies for a newer vid card a la the 6X00 series. But I still believe waiting on the AGP version of the 6600GT is the best option.The Batman said:
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Won't the first pci-e cards, such as the 6600, come with a bride/adapter for using in an AGP slot? I thought I read about that somewhere.
That is a blantantly uneducated statement. HL2 isn't out, so it's pointless to say something like that, concerning the FX 5900 series cards. And CS:Source is not HL2, so don't even bother.
A 9800pro might be slightly faster in HL2, when it comes out, but, nVidia is known for increasing performance through it's drivers. And IMO the image difference between DX9 and DX8.1 is hardly noticeable, not better one way or the other.
The Batman said:
That is a blantantly uneducated statement. HL2 isn't out, so it's pointless to say something like that, concerning the FX 5900 series cards. And CS:Source is not HL2, so don't even bother.
A 9800pro might be slightly faster in HL2, when it comes out, but, nVidia is known for increasing performance through it's drivers. And IMO the image difference between DX9 and DX8.1 is hardly noticeable, not better one way or the other.
MWWInc said:
AHHH ok. makes sense now
And badger_sly: Every website says and everyone even here says how the 9800 series was the best card hands down for overall gaming. There's hardly any debate there. Now if you can get a 5900 considerably cheap, go for it. same price though: 9800
With the new gen chips (x800s and 6800s) there is more of a "debate" with the high end cards (I don't think you can go wrong with either x800xt or ultra series) but there are valid points over the Pro and GT *price*
and CS:source is a strong indication to how HL-2 will play. CS:source isn't really even that intensive yet (pretty baren place to play) HL-2 will be more demanding that CS: source
As for drives increasing performance out of the 5900s, it's pretty slim pickins now.
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Badger_sly said:
No. You read wrong. Though I think your obvious Nvidia Bias is what you remember reading somewhere. Get your head out from where ever it is and read up some kid, AGP 6600s aren't going to show for another month or two AFTER the PCI-E parts have launched and the topic starter seems to want to buy his card sometime this year.
Incorrect. It is the statement of someone vastly less biased than yourself. FX cards defaulting to 8.1 is not something new or unheard of Sherlock, they do it in Far Cry. They do it in the VST as well, FiringSquad ran an interesting article on what happened when they forced the FX cards to run the VST in DX9. Basically, they got raped by the 9x00s.
Secondly, the VST IS LESS demanding than HL2 will be, so what makes you think the FX line which chokes and dies on the VST [in DX9 mode] is going to run HL2 silky smooth at the same settings? You think Gabe 'I sleep with ATI' Newell is going to optimize HL2 for nvidia cards?
Stuff your preaching son, I'm the fucking choir. FX cards STILL don't beat their 9x00 counterparts in any DX9 games. Drivers are great and wonderful and all, but they can't 'patch' shitty hardware. And tha't EXACTLY what the FX line is. S.H.I.T.T.Y. That's why for the last 2 years the vast majority of people on [H] had ATI cards.
You know who you remind me of? People with X800 Pros who are in denial of the GT and are constantly downplaying an extra 10FPS + extrea features [who needs them right?]. If item a and item b cost the same, yet item b is a bit faster and provides better IQ than item a...why the fuck would you go with item a? Besides, considering how Green your opinion is it doesn't amount to much now does it...though at this point I imagine you're seeing quite a bit of Red no?
I'll just end this by saying people like you are the reason why some ati fans simply refuse to get Nvidia cards. They just don't want to be seen grouped in the same category as yourself. And that's a damned shame.