Which LCD to get?

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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824252008 Chimei 22"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001096 Samsung 22"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009102 Acer 22"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116060 Viewsonic 22"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009094 Acer 22"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824254020 Hanns-G 22"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824014139 BenQ 22"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824009111 Acer 22" Glossy
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824112008 Sceptre 23"
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824001236 Samsung 21.6"

Computer
Intel P4 3Ghz Northwood
1.5GB RAM
ATi 9600 w/ 256MB


I mostly watch anime and movies, but I do a bit of gaming but not as much
so I don't think my card is an issue at the resolutions on most games nowadays
I started a new job, so this I hope to get by the end of this month, Just really
want to know which would be best for the money. Thanks ahead of time

Budget is 300USD

I'm also wondering about going smaller in size, and I don't really want to wait till I have enough money for a 24" display because I don't plan on updating my video card anytime soon. Sadly I would like to get this sooner than later. Also Newegg is probably the only place I will buy, though B&M is a possibility if its not much more (doubtful this will happen)
 
I would suggest to go with a 1920*1200 monitor.
Maybe you can look for a used/refurbished one that matches your budget?

Do not forget that the 24" monitor generally supports 1:1 scaling (confirm before buying!).
Therefore, you can still play your games at 1680*1050 or any other resolution. Of course, you may be annoyed by the black bars...

Trust me, I have upgraded from a 1680*1050 to 1920*1200 and it is really worth it.
 
Well I don't really know the real difference between those res, right now I'm just using a 17" CRT so it will be a big difference, I mean I can always save up money to get a bigger lcd
 
The 22" Samsung in the list has the possibility of being slightly better if you are fortunate enough to win the panel lottery and get the "S" panel. I don't think its worth $80 more, however. If you're buying a 22" panel, you're probably trying to get the most monitor for your money, so I suggest you buy the cheapest one, because these are all TN panels and they really don't differ a whole lot.

I imagine that you are using 1024x768 to game on your CRT? 1680x1050 is about double the pixels. Expect a huge gaming performance penalty.
 
Keep in mind that Newegg's return policy on monitors sucks and blows. No returns whatsoever. So if you get a monitor you don't like, you'll be stuck with it for eternity. I made that mistake some time ago, and I would never, ever buy a monitor from Newegg. I would rather look elsewhere.
 
A P-MVA based panel like the Viewsonic VX2025WM or the Sceptre X20G-NagaIII shouldnt be much more expensive than those panels, and will have much better quality. Of course, it is only 20" wide, but it will look large compared to your 17" CRT.

Or you could be like all the cool kids and get a Dell 2007WFP :p (S-IPS or S-PVA).
 
Monitors are probably one of the most important purchase one can make if they use the pc a lot.

If you have the extra chips to spend, go for the Samsung 226bw for more quality. If you get the S panel, you just got an even better LCD.
 
heh, i'm curious to know even though I'm not getting a 20". Is the picture quality just better on a 20", or it's better for gaming as well (less ghosting/no ghosting)? I am curious to see how much better one of those expensive 20" models can possibly be, but being that I like to have the extra 2" while spending less money, i went with 226bw.. plus it's 2ms :p
 
My personal experience with a 226BW C (22" 2ms TN), a vx2025wm (20" P-MVA 8ms) and 2007WFP (20" S-IPS 8ms) has been that they ghost roughly the same (I believe my 226 had a defective overdrive, but even at 5ms it was worse than the others) with an edge to the MVA and IPS panels. I find the reponse time on my 2007WFP more than adequate for any movie or game, and has vastly superior colour reproduction and viewing angles, with no colour banding as you sometimes get with TN panels (especially on subtle gradients like skin tones and skies).

In these modern times the only issue with response time is if the monitor has a poorly implemented overdrive. Any 8ms will be fine.

Note - There are other 2ms TN panels.

Second Note - Buy a new videocard, 9600 was horrible even when it was new :( (I had one).
 
Can't wait until they come out with 0 ms LCDs. Imo, even though it's not much of a big deal with today's LCDs, CRTs still do have a slight edge on today's LCDs when it comes to fast paced games. If you have really picky eyes like me, you can see the soft ghosting blur when moving/turning fast in fast paced games (UT99, UT2k4, etc).

On a decent CRT, you can turn and move as fast as you want. The screen stays sharp without blur.
 
This is not due to the response time of the pixels, if you do the math an 8ms response time can keep up with a 125hz refresh rate, better than most CRT monitors are capable of at a decent resolution (most LCD only run at 60hz), it is to do with how you percieve the image that causes the afterglow problems and blurring. This is why technologies such as black frame insertion (make an LCD image more like a CRT, eyestrain included I suspect) are being developed to further combat afterglow.
 
Destroid said:
A P-MVA based panel like the Viewsonic VX2025WM or the Sceptre X20G-NagaIII shouldnt be much more expensive than those panels, and will have much better quality. Of course, it is only 20" wide, but it will look large compared to your 17" CRT.

Or you could be like all the cool kids and get a Dell 2007WFP :p (S-IPS or S-PVA).
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Well since from what I see most 20" and 22" panels use the same res would it look better on a 20"

Destroid said:
Second Note - Buy a new videocard, 9600 was horrible even when it was new (I had one)
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Could slap my geforce 2 in it.....
 
It will look sharper because the pixels are smaller - however the main difference is that the more expensive 20" panels use a better technology.
 
Destroid said:
This is not due to the response time of the pixels, if you do the math an 8ms response time can keep up with a 125hz refresh rate, better than most CRT monitors are capable of at a decent resolution (most LCD only run at 60hz), it is to do with how you percieve the image that causes the afterglow problems and blurring. This is why technologies such as black frame insertion (make an LCD image more like a CRT, eyestrain included I suspect) are being developed to further combat afterglow.
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Sounds great... I just looked this up and also found something called CPT

"CPT unveiled an algorithm called Clear Motion, which will be included in screens to improve the sharpness of sequences in movement. The concept is that before an image is displayed, it’s analized to find objects and their curves using opposing contrasts. In a way, first a negative is made of the starting image and then contours on detected objects are enhanced. This resembles Edge Detection in Photoshop.

This function is permanently activated, calculated in real time, and used to improve images in anticipating defects due to afterglow. While the image is significantly sharper, it is less natural, because edges stand out more.

However, under certain conditions, the improvement is quite noticeable"
 
The downer is that image processing like that is bad for games as it tends to add input lag :( Fine for movies though if you can sync the audio, although I doubt you would notice it being off by a few ms.
 
i just want a solid monitor for a decent price!

So it seems I either pay the $$$ for quality or I go cheap and get "junk"
 
Destroid said:
The downer is that image processing like that is bad for games as it tends to add input lag :(
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Yep, this seems to be the case every time. And black frame insertion causes noticeable flicker, since we don't have true 120hz LCD's using it.

i just want a solid monitor for a decent price!

So it seems I either pay the $$$ for quality or I go cheap and get "junk"
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Well, its certainly pay more = get more in the LCD world. Compared to your 17" CRT, though, any of the 22" monitors on your list would be a fine upgrade, provided that you don't get one with severe backlight bleed or dead pixels. Try to buy from a store that has a good return policy and just go for it.
 
vetanix said:
Keep in mind that Newegg's return policy on monitors sucks and blows. No returns whatsoever. So if you get a monitor you don't like, you'll be stuck with it for eternity. I made that mistake some time ago, and I would never, ever buy a monitor from Newegg. I would rather look elsewhere.
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I totally agree, limit your choices to those you can purchase at a normal brick and mortar retailer like best buy or circuit city , they both have Zero dead pixel return policies, NO ONLINE RETAILER will let you do that EVER.

This should help narrow your choices down a bit, I day go with viewsonic or the samsung.:D :D
 
Destroid said:
Actually with Dell you can return your panel for whatever reason you like...
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dell hater here....

conghelach said:
I totally agree, limit your choices to those you can purchase at a normal brick and mortar retailer like best buy or circuit city , they both have Zero dead pixel return policies, NO ONLINE RETAILER will let you do that EVER.

This should help narrow your choices down a bit, I day go with viewsonic or the samsung.
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Aren't their prices like 50+ more? and I doubt they will let me take the monitor for a test drive thats on display....
 
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