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Which card is better?
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9800 pro
I don't really know, but I just like 9800's better than anything of the last generation
I don't really know, but I just like 9800's better than anything of the last generation
Would depend on what games you like to play. Seen something the other day that I will link here that said the 5900XT was the best card of the two.
Here is the story was posted on Hard yesterday
http://techreport.com/etc/2004q3/doom3-midlow/index.x?pg=1
Here is the story was posted on Hard yesterday
http://techreport.com/etc/2004q3/doom3-midlow/index.x?pg=1
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BLG said:
there needs to be a test for members before they can register.
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oh riiiight, and a 2.4 P4 is faster than my 2.3 XP, riiightBLG said:
BLG said:
that has nothing to do with fps, /me scratches his head, if im not mistaken the 5900xt is little better than the vanilla version of the card with the selfsame name
edit: and the 9800pro trounces it in benchies
edit2: and real world gameplay i might add
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ProXie said:
You have my pity.
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5900xt gets owned by the 9800pro, I compared them alot before I bought my se... even my se at stock 9800pro owns an OCed 5900XT at both 3dmark's
Edit: ram b/w mhz is a good thing to compare same-cored cards but not different cored cards.. why? each card has a different ram b/w usage ability. One card might have 80% b/w efficiency and another might have 60% efficiency.. with the same ram b/w the first card would trounce the other.
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Edit: ram b/w mhz is a good thing to compare same-cored cards but not different cored cards.. why? each card has a different ram b/w usage ability. One card might have 80% b/w efficiency and another might have 60% efficiency.. with the same ram b/w the first card would trounce the other.
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micah said:
That is mainly for doom 3. For some odd reason the 5900's now perform spectacular in doom even though they didn't before and they weren't meant too. I just don't understand what they did to make that card faster but whatever. I guess I have to hand it to nvidia. Especially when I had my ti200, even though the image quality degraded over the years through the drivers, I still managed to pull off 11k in 3dmark 2001 hah. I think the 9800 pro is probably the better card of the two. 5900 is nice but unless you're getting one hell of a deal, get the 9800 pro.
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djp2k5 said:I don't know he could have said to get a 9800 because the number 9800 is bigger than 5900.
That works, seriously yo... try it out
1) The 5900XT outperforms the 9800 Pro (actually performs right up next to the 9800 XT) in Doom3 because nVidia pretty much designed the nv3x and nv4x cores around what they knew of Doom3 (the nv4x, of course, receiving enhancements in other areas that bring their D3D implementation up to par).
For Doom3 and Doom3 engine games (Quake 4, Return to Castle Wolfenstein 2, et al - dozens of games in the next few years if Q3 is any indication) the 5900XT is the card to have over the 9800 Pro. In fact, generally, in OpenGL at all (Jedi Knight, Neverwinter Nights, etc) the 5900XT tends to pull ahead due to nVidia's vastly superior OpenGL drivers.
That said, there is no arguing the 5900XT seems slower than the 9800 series in Direct3d games, though (Far Cry - course, it's not like anything else is using that engine at ALL, so....).
2) The performance goes thusly (from bottom to top):
nVidia:
5900XT -> 5900 (non-ultra) -> 5900 Ultra -> 5950 Ultra
ATI:
9800SE -> 9800 (non-pro) -> 9800 Pro -> 9800 XT
As noted, the 5900XT performs just shy of the 9800XT in Doom3, and a little lower than 9800 non-pro in Direct3d games.
3) As to that MSI bundle - I agree strongly, MSI has incredible bundles. Course, you can get an MSI 5900XT, too. It has the exact same bundle as the 9800 by MSI, is only $191, and comes with video-in/video-out capability (watch TV on your PC!). I had that card for a while - in fact, that's the card that got the 7K score in 3dMark03 in my sig. That was an AWESOME card.
4) There is also ATI's drivers to concern about. No stereo 3d support, no support for aspect-ratio-maintaining LCD scaling, no true 16-bit FSAA support, dodgy FSAA in many older games ANYWAY, poor Linux support, etc. In the games I play regularly, I found the 5900XT to be superior to all the ATI cards I used (including 6 months on a 9800 non-Pro and 3 months on a 9800 XT) performance and stability wise. Only reason I upgraded to the 6800 series was the improvements to the FSAA algorithm, and the shader improvements that helped IL-2 and LOMAC performance. Otherwise, the 5900XT was just an awesome card.
For Doom3 and Doom3 engine games (Quake 4, Return to Castle Wolfenstein 2, et al - dozens of games in the next few years if Q3 is any indication) the 5900XT is the card to have over the 9800 Pro. In fact, generally, in OpenGL at all (Jedi Knight, Neverwinter Nights, etc) the 5900XT tends to pull ahead due to nVidia's vastly superior OpenGL drivers.
That said, there is no arguing the 5900XT seems slower than the 9800 series in Direct3d games, though (Far Cry - course, it's not like anything else is using that engine at ALL, so....).
2) The performance goes thusly (from bottom to top):
nVidia:
5900XT -> 5900 (non-ultra) -> 5900 Ultra -> 5950 Ultra
ATI:
9800SE -> 9800 (non-pro) -> 9800 Pro -> 9800 XT
As noted, the 5900XT performs just shy of the 9800XT in Doom3, and a little lower than 9800 non-pro in Direct3d games.
3) As to that MSI bundle - I agree strongly, MSI has incredible bundles. Course, you can get an MSI 5900XT, too. It has the exact same bundle as the 9800 by MSI, is only $191, and comes with video-in/video-out capability (watch TV on your PC!). I had that card for a while - in fact, that's the card that got the 7K score in 3dMark03 in my sig. That was an AWESOME card.
4) There is also ATI's drivers to concern about. No stereo 3d support, no support for aspect-ratio-maintaining LCD scaling, no true 16-bit FSAA support, dodgy FSAA in many older games ANYWAY, poor Linux support, etc. In the games I play regularly, I found the 5900XT to be superior to all the ATI cards I used (including 6 months on a 9800 non-Pro and 3 months on a 9800 XT) performance and stability wise. Only reason I upgraded to the 6800 series was the improvements to the FSAA algorithm, and the shader improvements that helped IL-2 and LOMAC performance. Otherwise, the 5900XT was just an awesome card.