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Which AGP card?

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Khanmots

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I have an old system built around an AMD 64 3200+ with some flavor of an x850 in it (I think it's a pro?)

I'm toying with the idea of adding a second gig of ram and maybe bumping the video card. However, I'm not sure the video card is really the bottleneck, or if the AGP bus itself (or the proc even) will keep a newer 'faster' AGP card from doing much good. Any thoughts as to what card would be well balanced in this system?

And yes, I know, that this would be the end of the upgrade path for this machine (it may not even be worth doing more than the ram), and that it'll be money sunk that some of y'all will say should be thrown at a new system instead... I don't need that speech :p
 
You can build a cheap Core 2 Duo DDR2-800 system for $250-$350 that will run rings around any AGP system, or you can spend half that much on an AGP video card that's badly crippled by the processor you have. AGP is dead, let it go man.
 
Selling a 6800GT and Ti4600 together for 30 bucks today on the CL. After that AGP is dead to me.
 
I just gave away an Asrock 775 Dual-VSTA to a friend of mine today, AGP is now dead.to.me., as are PCI-E x4 video card slots...
 
HD4650 AGP should be just fine for your CPU, meanwhile both HD4670 AGP and HD3850 AGP would be bottlenecked by your 3200+. In case you CPU is overclocked to 2,4GHz+ - you should consider getting something better. HD4670 (core speed - 750MHz) is only 10% slower than HD3850, but the latter is much more overclockable and hits HD3870 core speed of 775MHz (core speed - 667MHz) and becomes ~25% faster than HD4670. As for comparison, HD4650 (core - 600MHz) is ~25% slower version of HD4670. Don't forget you also need a pretty good PSU, especially for HD3850.
 
Khanmots said:
and that it'll be money sunk that some of y'all will say should be thrown at a new system instead... I don't need that speech :p
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Lets play a game...
The only card worth upgrading to is an ATI 4650. Even then its going to be bottlenecked and you would be lucky to get much more performance out of it than your x850pro. The total for it is $120 + shipping, so lets say... $135 total.

Now lets step out of this "OMG this guy is an ahole and needs to shut up.. I told him that I don't want to upgrade my entire system!!!!!" box and look whatelse you can get for $135.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Combo...ickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&ItemList=Combo.213493

Sell the hard drive that comes in the combo and get a (drumroll........) ATI 4650 pci-e




So lets make this simple. $135 you can get a crappy apg version of a decent card.
or
You can get a complete system upgrade and a more powerful, non bottlenecked version of that exact same card for the exact same price.
 
evilsofa, if you'd care to donate $200-$300 of that to a system that will be used, on average, 10-12 hours a month for games that it'd be overkill on, and will be replaced in, at most, a year by the system in my sig, then I'll do that.

However, since I have my doubts that you'll do so, and since I have no need for that much of a bump in this system, and it will be replaced in the semi-near future... I think I'll stick to my plan of seeing what can be done on the cheap.

Now... lets try to return this to being back on topic shall we?
 
lloose, kniaugaudiskis, thanks.

Sounds like it makes no sense for me to upgrade then. (I was aiming for a used $50 card *if* it would be a decent bump)
 
Hm, looks like the AGP 4650 is $80, you accidently looked at the 4670. Doubt I'll find it used for half that though.
 
lloose said:
Now lets step out of this "OMG this guy is an ahole and needs to shut up.. I told him that I don't want to upgrade my entire system!!!!!" box and look whatelse you can get for $135.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Combo...ickDeals-_-NA-_-NA-_-NA&ItemList=Combo.213493

Sell the hard drive that comes in the combo and get a (drumroll........) ATI 4650 pci-e




So lets make this simple. $135 you can get a crappy apg version of a decent card.
or
You can get a complete system upgrade and a more powerful, non bottlenecked version of that exact same card for the exact same price.
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I agree, AGP has been dead for the last 2 years, officially. The few cards that have come out for it are very expensive compared to their PCI-E counter parts. Not to mention, your CPU would hold any video card back beyond that of a X1900XT (7900GTX equivalent). Even that card would be bottlenecking on that single-core CPU.

I'm sorry, but it's time to do a full upgrade.

The system in my sig is being held back horribly by my processor and slow RAM, but at least it's on PCI-E and can support newer type hardware down the line. (btw, I'm running a 9800GT 1GB, need to update the sig, lol)

Even the best AGP card out is like an HD3850, and that card is only about as fast as a 9600GT, if even that. It's only worth about $70 tops now, but the AGP variant is $100+ and is totally not worth that price.
 
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