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What Nehalem is really about

Interesting read, thanks!

Pretty much confirms what most people already suspected, Nehalem won't bring massive gains in gaming over Core 2, though I'm quietly confident FSX will be an exception as it can bring current C2Qs to their knees at max details.
 
harpoon said:
Interesting read, thanks!

Pretty much confirms what most people already suspected, Nehalem won't bring massive gains in gaming over Core 2, though I'm quietly confident FSX will be an exception as it can bring current C2Qs to their knees at max details.
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Sorry for the ignorant question but what is FSX?
 
Conroe didn't bring massive gains over x2's either 2 years ago unless you gamed at retardedly low resoloutions. This isn't something current Penryn owners should be running to upgrade too. It's for people like me who will see a big performance difference in a brand new ground up build this fall.

Sorry but this isn't a surprise, it's just a repeat of 2 years ago.
 
The Hexus preview shows decent clock for clock gaming speed despite the immature platform. There may not be much of a reason to get a Bloomfield chip for gaming over a Yorkfield chip, but someone wouldn't exactly be suffering either.

He does have a point about server performance. Nehalem MP will plug Intel's last weakness. Core 2 based desktop and server chips already rule 1S and 2S performance so Intel will only be taking the lead from itself.
 
Jakalwarrior said:
Low priced 45nm phenoms for mass market appeal would be my best guess.
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I don't know what you consider "low cost", but Shanghai/Deneb isn't much smaller than Barcelona/Agena: 243mm² vs 283mm². Deneb is about the same size as Nehalem (246mm²), but more expensive to manufacture. The difference of course is that Nehalem will have higher ASPs as a newer and higher performing core.

The unfortunate part for AMD is even if Deneb is launched at relatively high clocks (for AMD), it will still be pinned down around Q9400/Q9500 performance and pricing. The Q9400 will probably be Intel's low end quad core when Deneb launches. Really, even with 45nm AMD has no answer to Nehalem. Deneb will possibly be competing with lower end Yorkfield processors on the desktop if everything goes right.

The low cost 45nm Phenom will probably be the version with 0MB L3. The lack of L3 cache will make a significant difference in die size, funny now because more of the Shanghai/Deneb die size by area is cache than Nehalem's die relative areas. :p
 
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