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What do I *need* Catalyst Control Center for?

MrFace

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Is there anything I gain by installing it that I can't do simply with the driver and modifying in-game settings?

To be clear, is there a performance gain or does it exist only to tweak settings?
 
If you plan to OC you'll "need" that +20% power slider. Other than that the profiles are nice if you need them.
 
I use MSI Afterburner to set my voltage to 1.2v, do I really need Power Tune still?

Yupper. If you don't set it to +20% your card will throttle down. I sure wish the other utilities would find a way to duplicate that setting. If not for that +20% I'd never use the "overdrive" tab at all.
 
If I use CCC, Afterburner doesn't work. I lose all my voltage settings and what not. Is there a sure fire way to determine if I'm really being throttled?
 
To manipulate your game settings, such as override AA and such. And game profiles.
 
If I use CCC, Afterburner doesn't work. I lose all my voltage settings and what not. Is there a sure fire way to determine if I'm really being throttled?

I just ran Furmark and at no point did my voltages or clocks throttle with Powertune NOT used. I'm OC'ing and setting voltage through Afterburner.
 
I just ran Furmark and at no point did my voltages or clocks throttle with Powertune NOT used. I'm OC'ing and setting voltage through Afterburner.

Only furmark will be throttled. Otherwise, you will only be throttled if you exceed 100C gpu temp.
 
If I have a 6950 with the 6970 shaders unlocked (MSI Twin Frozr II) should I change the power slider at all and if so, by how much?
 
Yupper. If you don't set it to +20% your card will throttle down. I sure wish the other utilities would find a way to duplicate that setting. If not for that +20% I'd never use the "overdrive" tab at all.

I'm wondering if the +20% slider setting is saved in the registry somewhere...

If so, you could backup the registry, change the slider position and save that change, backup the registry again, compare the 2 files to find the difference, extract that registry key, then create a .reg file to make that setting without using CCC
 
I've been using AMD products since the launch of HD5870.

CCC always made games look worst or decreased performance. Even now with my HD7970 it only made things worst so I dont use it. Also, it drains some system resources (CPU and RAM usage). I guess u only "need" CCC if you have Xfire setup and need the CAP profiles.

And yes, MSI Afterburner saves the day.
 
I just ran Furmark and at no point did my voltages or clocks throttle with Powertune NOT used. I'm OC'ing and setting voltage through Afterburner.

Maybe I'm just phrasing it incorrectly. The "throttling" would be due to a lower TDP... From the [H] 7970 OC article:

AMD Radeon HD 7970 Overclocking Performance Review

When overclocking, there is one important slider you must set no matter what program you are using to overclock. You will maximize the Power Control Settings to +20% when overclocking any AMD Radeon video card. This will allow the video card to have a higher maintainable TDP, and in result, better performance. We've seen past video cards where this has been an issue, and we have overclocked with little performance gain. When we maxed out this slider, then the overclocking performance we were looking for was there.
 
Maybe I'm just phrasing it incorrectly. The "throttling" would be due to a lower TDP... From the [H] 7970 OC article:

AMD Radeon HD 7970 Overclocking Performance Review

Correct, it's throttling to hit a target TDP, but the way it achieves that target TDP is by dynamically lowering clock speed, which MrFace ought to see happening in Afterburner...Or he's just very lucky and his card ignores powertune for some reason!

Here's a couple screens of what my card does with powertune +20 (Left) and powertune +0 (Right):

powertune+20.jpg
powertune+0.jpg


In my own experience, it can also depend on what you're playing...benchmarks that try to test only 1 aspect of a card at a time (shader ops, fill-rate, raster ops ect) don't necessarily cause powertune to kick in. I've never specifically tested various games with different powertune settings, but I would expect a game that stresses (or is bottle-necked by) one aspect of a card's performance far more than others would behave similarly.
 
Well since you have a 6950 you would also lose the option of EQAA, and you wouldn't be able to turn Catalyst AI to High Quality, leaving it on default quality.
 
If I have a 6950 with the 6970 shaders unlocked (MSI Twin Frozr II) should I change the power slider at all and if so, by how much?

I am useing 12% and then max the sliders to the right "mine max at 840/1325"
Fan speed i left alone.


10% gave me problems every now and then when gaming for more than 3 hrs at a time i had random crash to desk top. :(
 
Correct, it's throttling to hit a target TDP, but the way it achieves that target TDP is by dynamically lowering clock speed, which MrFace ought to see happening in Afterburner...Or he's just very lucky and his card ignores powertune for some reason!

Here's a couple screens of what my card does with powertune +20 (Left) and powertune +0 (Right):

powertune+20.jpg
powertune+0.jpg


In my own experience, it can also depend on what you're playing...benchmarks that try to test only 1 aspect of a card at a time (shader ops, fill-rate, raster ops ect) don't necessarily cause powertune to kick in. I've never specifically tested various games with different powertune settings, but I would expect a game that stresses (or is bottle-necked by) one aspect of a card's performance far more than others would behave similarly.

I do not see this at all. I run Furmark, BF3, 3DMark 2011...even with 1.275v and 950 core I do not ever see my GPU core throttling like your screen shot. Weird.
 
Wonder if it has anything to do with my BIOS not being "stock"? I also don't use the Catalyst overclocking feature as everything is done within Afterburner.
 
In my experience with my 6950's unlocked and OC'd, only Furnark would throttle my card(s). I ran clocks up to 950/1450@~1.25v. Games ran fine but Furmark throttled. Stupid Furmark.

I haven't had any throttling yet with my 7970 running 1200/1600 either, haven't played Furmark yet lol.
 
You don't really need CCC as you can just override its power save function with Afterburner. Its mostly just additional software for monitoring and what not. Just use the display driver if you don't need the additionals.
 
You don't really need CCC as you can just override its power save function with Afterburner. Its mostly just additional software for monitoring and what not. Just use the display driver if you don't need the additionals.

That's what I thought(and have proven through numerous tests), but there seems to be a lot of FUD floating around that CCC is needed even with Afterburner.
 
If you want to use powesaving you might need CCC but I am not sure about that.
 
I've been using AMD products since the launch of HD5870.

CCC always made games look worst or decreased performance. Even now with my HD7970 it only made things worst so I dont use it. Also, it drains some system resources (CPU and RAM usage). I guess u only "need" CCC if you have Xfire setup and need the CAP profiles.

And yes, MSI Afterburner saves the day.

W 8GB of ram, how much could it really drain?
 
You don't really need CCC as you can just override its power save function with Afterburner. Its mostly just additional software for monitoring and what not. Just use the display driver if you don't need the additionals.

If you dont need CCC, but you use Afterburner, arent you just switching one for another as far as resource usage goes?
 
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