What are some good brands on Home Theatre speaker that is slim (wall mount)

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  1. Happy Hopping

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    1) what is the difference between a home theatre speaker vs. a regular speaker to listen to CD music only?

    I want to replace my front left / right channel, as well as my sub-woofer.

    Is magepan Mini Maggie any good as left / right chnl. speaker for 5.1 system?

    and what about this set from Paradigm, can they be used as home theatre 5.1 front left/right chnl.?


    https://www.paradigm.com/products-current/series=millenia/model=millenia-lp-2/page=overview


    http://www.magnepan.com/model_mini_maggie

    as to my sub-woofer, I need a sub-woofer made in USA. My current sub-woofer is from Klipsch, on occasion, it has a humming sound at idle. My current Klipsch at $2600 is only 6 mth. old

    my receiver is Yamaha 5.1 RX v573

    as to the Paradigm, on the photo, it's used as left / right, but why do they need 5 drivers?

    and I also found Martin Logan, so between Martin Logan vs. Paradigm, I would like to know what country make their speakers?

    https://www.martinlogan.com/en/product/motion-slm
     
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    Klipsch even make a 2600 sub?

    If it’s humming call an electrician.
     
  3. Happy Hopping

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    no, all 6 speaker at $2600
     
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    Yea but not home theater.
     
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    Nothing, "music" speakers are usually geared towards having the most extension at the cost of SPL and home theater are usually geared towards SPL at the cost of extension.

    I'm not sure where this is coming from. The sub manufacturer has little to do with feed back, that's usually from something else like an amp. I'm guessing this is a power sub, plug it in with nothing connected to it, if it still hums then its the sub. If not than its from something else.

    The driver selection has to do with the intended purpose from the designer. These thin speakers have like zero extension most due to a lack of box space and speaker SD. Adding more speakers ad more SPL and if you put them in a line array (this is a mini line array from the woofers) you decrease the rate of SPL loss at distance. Helps with mid bass and all of that, although I'd be surprised if these produced much of anything at 120-300hz with that design.

    Now that I think about it, I think they added more to prevent woofer lobing, the cross over from that tweeter is probably very tight and those woofers are probably pushed well into break up mode as well.
     
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    It's a power sub-woofer. Brand new cable. 1 end is connected to the yamaha Rx-v573, the other end is to the sub-woofer. Can the yamaha causes this? Because there are many times that the yamaha is TURN OFF, and the humming noise still occurs. And the power sub-woofer is set to auto ON.
     
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    Yes
     
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    Back to the original question, say I pick Paradigm MIllenia 20 as Front left / right / center, how do I pick the rear surround that match? And I don't really have to pick the same brand, how much difference is there if I stick to my Klipsch rear surround ?
     
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    Look at the listed dB, try to match as close as possible. They won’t be the same since every OEM measures different but it’s a good starting point. Another thing is try to stick to the same HF tweeter.

    Such as if your mains use a dome tweeter try to have your surrounds the same.

    In the end it won’t matter much if you are using an auto EQ function like Audyssey.
     
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    The ohms is just the nominal impedance shown to the amp, most decent amps these days can do 4 just fine. Older AB amps have a tougher time with them. Most wont display a 4ohm capability as it is more tough on the amp and would prefer to steer users away from them.

    The DB is how loud it gets, double the loudness per 3db. Every doubling requires double the power. The 1 watt rating is used here, 1 watt to get 86 dB at 1 meter, you would need 2 watts to get to 89 and 4 to get to 92 and so on.

    Speakers that are 3db more sensitive requires half the power to get to the same loudness.

    Be careful with those ratings, they are usually highly inflated. They will list their peak output as the nominal rating not really truthful considering there’s a pretty big spectrum.
     
  12. Happy Hopping

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    I have narrow down to Dali, Opticon LCR, they are handmade in Denmark, w/ wild range in price, currently at GBP499 per speaker

    https://www.dali-speakers.com/loudspeakers/opticon/opticon-lcr/

    their spec. is here:

    https://www.dali-speakers.com/media/1669/opticon-whitepaper.pdf



    w/ nominal impedence at 4 Ohm, Senstiivty at 90.5 dB, 18 lb.

    then another one that stood out is Paradigm Millenia 30,

    https://www.paradigm.com/products-current/series=millenia/model=millenia-30/page=specs

    its nominal impedance is 8 Ohm, at Sensitivity is 91dB or 94dB, depends on their spec.

    This Paradigm series is 5 driver per speaker, and I never have a pair of speaker w/ that many driver before.

    I am kind of looking at Definitive Technology, but I know nothing about this brand.

    I welcome any input on the choice between these 2 to 3 brands

    I also look into Axiom, but their speaker is so heavy, 50 lb., w/ 2 little metal clip to snap in, and I don't feel comfortable hanging a 50 lb. speaker on a wall.

    https://www.axiomaudio.com/m80-on-wall-speaker
     
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    For strict home theater use, surround speakers don't need to match. As long as they are not hard to drive, any thing will work. If you are leaning more heavily into music like doubling the front two channels (not surround dsp modes) then rear channel fidelity is more important.
     
  14. westrock2000

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    I have owned Magnepan's and now own Martin Logan's (real Martin Logans...aka...the ESL's).

    The most important aspect for both of these is that they NEED space behind them. At least 18", but 24" is more realistic. This is for speakers that radiate front and back (magneplanars and electrostatics). Otherwise what happens when the speaker is too close to the wall is rear sound reflects back with enough volume and fast enough to cancel out much of the midbass frequencies coming out the front. Basically, it ends up sounding like a small computer speaker. Notice in all the pictures of the mini Maggies, they have space behind them.

    Now the Motions you are looking at do not have this problem. The Motions use an enclosed quasi-ribbon as well as enclosed woofers, so no back radiating sound to worry about. I currently use a Motion as a center channel because I don't have the space for a true ESL or planar speaker (and other reasons). I don't consider the Motions to be the true Martin Logan experience, much like I wouldn't consider a Porsche SUV to the Porshce experience....but it is a well made product, and for that I can't fault it.

    Magnepans are made in USA (very proudly), as Magnepan has always been a small company that seems to like the "family owned" type mentality. Martin Logans, at least the ESL's, are made in Canada. I'm not sure about the Motion line.

    Part of what convinced me to buy the Martin Logans when I did was they threw in a free Dynamo 700w subwoofer. I have enjoyed it greatly, but I don't need pictures coming off the wall. And it runs as a subwoofer for the front/mains. I also have a Parts Express subwoofer for the LFE channel. So bass is pretty well covered, for my desires.

    I really really love panel speakers. The Magnepans are affordable, but the beaming is very strong since it's a flat panel. The Martin Logans cost a lot more, but due to the curved panels do not suffer the beaming anywhere as much. Bass is much better than the Maggies, given they have real woofers, but both will need subwoofer augmentation.

    If you are looking at up against the wall though, the Maggies are out of the question. The Motion series would be applicable still though. If you do have room though, panel speakers are something to experience.
     
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    In my experience, if they can make sound cleanly, they are good to go. It's fill effect. It's not there for stereo effect nor are you "listening" to the rear channels. I finally went with in-walls so they are hidden (relatively). You get a 2 second explosion, a bullet whizzing by, a crowd cheering, etc.....you won't notice "timbre matching".
     
  16. Happy Hopping

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    At the end, I decided on Focal On Wall series. But I don't have $ to buy it yet.