What About The Ethics Of VR Sex?

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Honestly, I totally thought this story was going to go a different direction. Instead, the whole thing swerved out of control almost immediately, veered off the VR cliff and crashed and burned a in "virtual reality is the devil" pit.

But the ethical issues that arise around sex and VR go far beyond just virtual assault. They include concerns around the type of sexual content that will be created — from nonconsensual pornography that allows you to have virtual sex with celebrity avatars to sexual encounters with simulated virtual children. There are questions around just what would constitute infidelity in this new ultra-immersive world, both when it comes to single- and multi-player experiences. And, some say, there is the very real possibility that VR sex will become so technologically advanced that it is actually preferable to real world sex.
 
VR Sex is not my thing, but hey, if helps fat guys get (virtually) laid, who am I to say it's a bad thing!?
 
The most I ever thought about this subject was from the Star Trek: TNG episode "Booby Trap". La Forge creates a hologram of one the Enterprise's designers, Dr. Leah Brahms, and kind of falls for her or it I should say. Matters get more complex in a later episode where La Forge meets Dr. Brahms in the flesh, she finds out about the hologram and isn't too happy.
 
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I don't see the problem....I would prefer that weird socially awkward loners do their grope-y and rape-y shit in a virtual environment than actually performing any real act of sexual assault.

The author acts like VR will be a demo for people to do things like that in real life when the fact of the matter is, if someone is already wired that way then they are already wired that way. The VR outlet has nothing to do with an assaulter's lack of empathy because that already existed in a person that is wired like that.
 
"Scotty, we need warp drive RIGHT NOW."


Wow, that article was disturbing. VR sex? No thanks.
 
heatlesssun said:
The most I ever thought about this subject was from the Star Trek: TNG episode "Booby Trap". La Forge creates a hologram of one the Enterprise's designers, Dr. Leah Brahms, and kind of falls for her or it I should say. Matters get more complex in a later episode where La Forge meats Dr. Brahms in the flesh, she finds out about the hologram and isn't too happy.
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I think that's a bit of a different VR experience though. Seemed to me the hologram's could affect your body with touch as an example. Fully immersive, no real restrictions. Did you see the DS9 episode where Quark was trying to pimp his holodecks?
 
Would you rather have the rape-y types raping real people or virtual people?

Who knows, maybe this will actually REDUCE rates of real sexual assaults.
 
I could care less off what anyone decided to do in a virtual environment as long as it stays in said virtual environment. In fact, it is nobody's business what anyone decides to do in a virtual environment as long as it stays there.
 
[21CW]killerofall said:
I could care less off what anyone decided to do in a virtual environment as long as it stays in said virtual environment. In fact, it is nobody's business what anyone decides to do in a virtual environment as long as it stays there.
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Tell that to Oracle.... *shudders*
 
ir0nw0lf said:
This will lead to virtual marriages, virtual pregnancies/kids, virtual divorces, virtual alimony... :LOL:
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Old news, already been done. Shit, people have been getting married in video games since ... what was that early fantasy mmo that was around forever, they finally made a #2 of it and I haven't heard anything else really since.
 
ir0nw0lf said:
This will lead to virtual marriages, virtual pregnancies/kids, virtual divorces, virtual alimony... :LOL:
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Nah you set yourself up as a king, then you kill yourself off and watch from a distance to see if your kids go all Game of Thrones. That would one hell of a great VR game. :)
 
Not sure where the problem is. What's the difference between using your imagination and vr?
 
U guys sound funny like rewind 10 years on hardocp when the concern was violent games make violent people. Vr porn makes tired hands
 
Since the author of the original article went here, I'm going to go here.

In most places, child pornography isn't defined as just pornography involving actual underage children. It includes adult women who look like children and are pretending to be children. It often includes animations of children engaging in sexual acts.

So any VR porn/sex with children is going to be child porn in any jurisdiction that defines child porn as including any images, real or otherwise that show children (or assumed children) engaging in sexual acts.

As for the rest of VR porn, I think it falls on a spectrum like any other porn. There's what we see on TV; the fully clothed but very sexualized men and women. We sometimes see some amount of nudity, but no bare breasts, buts or genitals. Sex is sometimes implied or explicitly shown, but with no nudity. Then there's what in R-rated movies or HBO; we have full frontal nudity, sex is often shown but without penetration and if we see the men's genitals immediately post coitus they're always flaccid. There's also what many people call soft-core porn; there's no sex, but people are naked. It's meant to titillate and arouse. This is often what still images are classified as, and you could argue that some HBO shows are closer to hard-core than soft-core despite the fact that the sex is simulated (I assume). And then there's hardcore porn where the viewer sees full penetration.

And on the VR side you could get a full spectrum of these. It could be anything from nude, still 3d captures of women to full simulations of sex tracked sex toys to enhance the feeling of "presence" in the virtual experience someone is having. But in the most extreme case I don't see this as being that much different from just masturbating to a video (which is what we presume most people are already doing to porn . . .) so I'm not sure why people want to cry foul.

Mods: If I've been too descriptive feel free to delete all or part of this. I know kids are on the forums and wouldn't be offended by any amount of filtering you want to do to my post.
 
Ya i dont think vr porn means no rules it just means 360 porn and more pov. However pov os a turn off to some folks who rsther be the creepy oberving camerman
 
Blacklight all second hand VR purchases.

Pretty sure there is nothing ethical about VR sex. I guess you could say I am kinda 'far, far right' on the subject of sex.

Will there be 'in orifice' VR?
 
Bandalo said:
Would you rather have the rape-y types raping real people or virtual people?
Who knows, maybe this will actually REDUCE rates of real sexual assaults.
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It could go either way, I suspect, but I don't think pass laws to prevent adverse effects that may or may not exist.
 
The ethics of * sex. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
 
heatlesssun said:
The most I ever thought about this subject was from the Star Trek: TNG episode "Booby Trap". La Forge creates a hologram of one the Enterprise's designers, Dr. Leah Brahms, and kind of falls for her or it I should say. Matters get more complex in a later episode where La Forge meets Dr. Brahms in the flesh, she finds out about the hologram and isn't too happy.
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Nerd! She needed a good humping. Good episode.(ok, most were)

I think we are a long way from the ST type of VR. It is interesting to think about since it would not be real.
But it would fun! ;)
 
Masturbation is masturbation. If no people are injured, I don't see it as my business, no matter how much what one is masturbating to might disgust me.
 
Gorankar said:
Masturbation is masturbation. If no people are injured, I don't see it as my business, no matter how much what one is masturbating to might disgust me.
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Yeah really, if someone wants to, say, be buried in a pile of excrement, in their own privacy, that's just fine, not my business haha.

Not a fan of gov legislating masturbation.
 
Wierdo said:
Yeah really, if someone wants to, say, be buried in a pile of excrement, in their own privacy, that's just fine, not my business haha.

Not a fan of gov legislating masturbation.
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I don't think it's government interference but your SO.

What would happen if my wife walked in and I had all my favorite women around me naked and doing nasty stuff.
Would she shoot me or laugh since it isn't real. That's the question.
 
Gorankar said:
Masturbation is masturbation. If no people are injured, I don't see it as my business, no matter how much what one is masturbating to might disgust me.
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Right up until someone goes too far and think-rapes an e-woman. Somebody HAS to be the victim here.
 
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Gorankar said:
Masturbation is masturbation. If no people are injured, I don't see it as my business, no matter how much what one is masturbating to might disgust me.
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This article dives into more issues that just solo VR porn.

If there are VR environments where you can interact with others, the argument is that the virtual environment will enable people (mainly men...) to try to do things like grab girls' virtual bodies without their consent and without consequence. Again, I think it's a bad argument because the VR platform is not likely to enable that sort of behavior in someone that isn't already prone to want to do that in real life.
 
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Sonicks said:
This article dives into more issues that just solo VR porn.

If there are VR environments where you can interact with others, the argument is that the virtual environment will enable people (mainly men...) to try to do things like grab girls' virtual bodies without their consent and without consequence. Again, I think it's a bad argument because the VR platform is not likely to enable that sort of behavior in someone that isn't already prone to want to do that in real life.
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I think it's no different than harassment in online games and communities currently. Behave like a jerk, get reported and banned by the admins. Just because it's VR doesn't really make it any different.
 
Depends on how the VR porn is made. Animation? Fine. Using real people as the model in the VR world? Very sketchy and can be illegal.

If it's CGI, I have no problem. It's not real. Even if it looks like it's illegal or underage - it's not real. There is no victim. There is no person, living or dead, that is affected by it. Creepy, sure. I wouldn't do it. But, it's just not something I'd say was necessarily wrong. Who is it exploiting? Who is it taking advantage of? No one. It's a computer graphic. If that becomes illegal, then GTAV hookers are in trouble for selling themselves and the John's are in trouble for killing them to get their money back....
 
Virtual assault? Who the hell coins such idiocy? Oh wait, it's another SJW thing. Because virtual reality lives matter! Next thing we have and they want to prosecute you for all the killings you did in GTAV. Oh wait they actually want to do that.
 
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