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Nixxon

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Paying job but will need a quote.

Will need full page and mobile functionality.

Will need graphic design.

I'm sure theres going to be types of scripting involved, which I don't know because I'm unfamiliar with what will be required.

It shouldn't be too labor intensive. With the limited website development knowledge I have it will be maybe a days work at first. It could extend into a website maintenance/management gig if things go right in the long term.

Please PM me if interested. I would like examples of work, resumes if possible and we can discuss the nitty gritty if I like what I see.

Thanks.
 
Nixxon said:
With the limited website development knowledge I have it will be maybe a days work at first.
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Since it's such a simple project, you should just crank something out this weekend. Once the venture is profitable and you can pay a fair wage, come back and find the right developer/designer to continue development.
 
Nixxon said:
I think I'll wait for a serious offer.

Thanks for the interest.
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If you want serious offers you need to give serious requirements.

What you've asked for is similar to asking for this:

Nixxon said:
Airplane Design:

Paying job but will need a quote.

Will need full landing and take-off functionality.

Will need interior design.

I'm sure theres going to be types of engine involved, which I don't know because I'm unfamiliar with what will be required.

It shouldn't be too labor intensive. With the limited aircraft development knowledge I have it will be maybe a days work at first. It could extend into a fleet maintenance/management gig if things go right in the long term.

Please PM me if interested. I would like examples of work, resumes if possible and we can discuss the nitty gritty if I like what I see.

Thanks.
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As you can imagine, there is a wide range of projects that could fit your vague requirements, anything from a few hundred bucks to many thousands.
 
Nixxon said:
Paying job but will need a quote.

Will need full page and mobile functionality.

Will need graphic design.

I'm sure theres going to be types of scripting involved, which I don't know because I'm unfamiliar with what will be required.

It shouldn't be too labor intensive. With the limited website development knowledge I have it will be maybe a days work at first. It could extend into a website maintenance/management gig if things go right in the long term.

Please PM me if interested. I would like examples of work, resumes if possible and we can discuss the nitty gritty if I like what I see.

Thanks.
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Some basic questions that may be useful to know:

1.What type of 'full page' or 'mobile' content are you looking to have? Is it static or dynamic content?(i.e. content about a company, changing content pulled from other sources like RSS feeds)
2.Do you also need to easily edit static content on the page or add new content like a blog? Some sites just need to be setup and occasionally changed and the client may not want the added functionality of having an easily accessible content management system.
3.Do you have any sites that are similar in scope to what you want done?
 
calebb said:
Since it's such a simple project, you should just crank something out this weekend. Once the venture is profitable and you can pay a fair wage, come back and find the right developer/designer to continue development.
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How do you know the wage is fair or unfair? Instead of sarcastic comments maybe you should ask more in depth questions? Safe to say you do not have what I need, and if I could crank this out this weekend why would I ask to hire a developer?


Whatsisname said:
If you want serious offers you need to give serious requirements.

What you've asked for is similar to asking for this:



As you can imagine, there is a wide range of projects that could fit your vague requirements, anything from a few hundred bucks to many thousands.
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I will give requirements when I get messages from prospective developers. Sorry that I'm not going to broadcast a business venture on an open forum. Especially with all the maturity and honesty of the internet.

l00segravel said:
Some basic questions that may be useful to know:

1.What type of 'full page' or 'mobile' content are you looking to have? Is it static or dynamic content?(i.e. content about a company, changing content pulled from other sources like RSS feeds)
2.Do you also need to easily edit static content on the page or add new content like a blog? Some sites just need to be setup and occasionally changed and the client may not want the added functionality of having an easily accessible content management system.
3.Do you have any sites that are similar in scope to what you want done?
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The full page/mobile content will be as it reads, a full page when viewed from a traditional computer and a mobile smaller easier to navigate counterpart designed for cell phone browsers (iPhone, W7 Phones, Android etc).

Initially the page will be static with a comments type page that will require admin rights to manage the comments section and will require updating upon expansion. Unless there is a way to develop that expansion in a easy user friendly method then that is an option but I would rather get into that privately with any serious takers.

I guess a decent enough example without going into too much detail would be a site similar to http://www.textsfromlastnight.com/

Thank you to anyone who has productively added to this thread.
 
Don't throw a hissy fit cause you aren't getting "serious" replies. Well, you aren't giving serious information. You can't just say. "i need a developer!" and expect a bunch of replies and PMs. There are so many aspects to the web that your request is way to broad. The first reply of $200,000 isn't that far from ordinary as you may think.
 
tgabe213 said:
Don't throw a hissy fit cause you aren't getting "serious" replies. Well, you aren't giving serious information. You can't just say. "i need a developer!" and expect a bunch of replies and PMs. There are so many aspects to the web that your request is way to broad. The first reply of $200,000 isn't that far from ordinary as you may think.
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Once again I'm not looking to divulge business ideas onto an open forum.

I'm not throwing a hissy fit, I'm actually just honestly surprised that a paying job is being scoffed at before knowing the details.

If its details that you need, thats what the PM is for.

$200,000 as a guesstimate without knowing would be far from ordinary seeing as the scope of the project wasn't/hasn't been established.

Whatever, I can see this is going nowhere. I'll seek what I need elsewhere.

Thanks.
 
Nixxon said:
Once again I'm not looking to divulge business ideas onto an open forum.

I'm not throwing a hissy fit, I'm actually just honestly surprised that a paying job is being scoffed at before knowing the details.

If its details that you need, thats what the PM is for.

$200,000 as a guesstimate without knowing would be far from ordinary seeing as the scope of the project wasn't/hasn't been established.

Whatever, I can see this is going nowhere. I'll seek what I need elsewhere.

Thanks.
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Ideas are a dime a dozen. Implementation costs a lot more.
 
Nixxon said:
Once again I'm not looking to divulge business ideas onto an open forum.

I'm not throwing a hissy fit, I'm actually just honestly surprised that a paying job is being scoffed at before knowing the details.

If its details that you need, thats what the PM is for.

$200,000 as a guesstimate without knowing would be far from ordinary seeing as the scope of the project wasn't/hasn't been established.

Whatever, I can see this is going nowhere. I'll seek what I need elsewhere.

Thanks.
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You're all over the board here. You said it would maybe be a days worth of work, yet, you compared it to the functionality of textsfromlastnight. So, while 200,000 may be a bit on the high end, it isn't that far off the mark, based on the lack of information.

If a developer gives an estimate of $50,000, and it ends up taking double the time, are you going to provide that? You'll throw your hissy fit then, because he only said it would be $50k, now it's $100k, and you won't want to pay the rest.
 
tgabe213 said:
You're all over the board here. You said it would maybe be a days worth of work, yet, you compared it to the functionality of textsfromlastnight. So, while 200,000 may be a bit on the high end, it isn't that far off the mark, based on the lack of information.

If a developer gives an estimate of $50,000, and it ends up taking double the time, are you going to provide that? You'll throw your hissy fit then, because he only said it would be $50k, now it's $100k, and you won't want to pay the rest.
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Are you even someone who is credible or just some internet troll? Its obvious you have nothing to offer so stay out of the thread.

I said a site similar to textsfromlastnight. That doesn't necessarily mean that I need anything nearly as in depth as that, I also know that developers don't always start from scratch and some may have scripts or interfaces prebuilt. Thats why I want people who are willing to get paid to PM me. To discuss DETAILS. How could you possibly know what kind of funds I have at my disposal, or what kind of hissy fit I would throw? Seeing as I have yet to divulge any type of payment other than there IS one, and I have yet to throw a hissy fit I think you're pretty groundless in making assumptions.

I'm mature enough to realize what an estimate is, and what a final cost is. More details will be given to credible sources who are interested in doing W-O-R-K. Something you may not be familiar with in the land of internet trolls.

Be so kind as to be mature enough to stay out of a thread oriented to getting somewhere, as you are obviously going nowhere.

Thank you to those who have PM'd me. I will be in touch.
 
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Scope is not synonymous with the business idea. Complaining that you don't want to give away your business idea when people ask for scope is silly. Saying you want an e-commerce site, or an information aggregator, or whatever isn't going to get whatever idea you have that you want to lay on top of it stolen.

Personally I don't do web-work, but I do deal a lot with requirements analysis/derivation, and what I'm seeing is that you have no clue what you want, and a customer like that takes a lot of time, and time equates to cost.

As for funding... I'm thinking that the comments are coming because a lot of people are getting the same impression that I am; that you haven't really thought things through, don't have a solid concept worked out, and have no business plan... and without that you can't have serious venture capital behind you.

I'd suggest really thinking through what you need, figuring out a set of requirements that will give people enough to work with, and then posting those up for ideas. You might also try asking for advice on how to put together a set of requirements that would be useful.
 
WTF is wrong with you guys? All the guy is trying to do is recruit some possible legitimate business on this forum and all I see are a bunch of condescending pricks telling him how to ask his question.

All the OP is doing is making a loose cattle call for designer/developers FIRST with minimum info... and then upon gauging those who are possible serious candidates, he is willing to discuss matters in more detail privately.

Some of you need to get off your pseudo/internet high horse and either tell him your interested or tell him where he can gets his needs met.
 
Dark Prodigy said:
WTF is wrong with you guys? All the guy is trying to do is recruit some possible legitimate business on this forum and all I see are a bunch of condescending pricks telling him how to ask his question.

All the OP is doing is making a loose cattle call for designer/developers FIRST with minimum info... and then upon gauging those who are possible serious candidates, he is willing to discuss matters in more detail privately.

Some of you need to get off your pseudo/internet high horse and either tell him your interested or tell him where he can gets his needs met.
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You are missing the point. It is really difficult to even approach the OP with any offer because hasn't established what he needs. How can I, or anyone else, possibly know if our skill sets match his requirements? I make websites for corporations, front end, back end, and everything linking between. Like many others here, I have an alphabet soup of related technology acronyms to pull from. SQL, JS, CF, HTML, CSS, XML and many many others. Each has a defined use and proper implementation to accomplish a specific task.

But more importantly there are just as many skills I don't have: Flash, sharepoint sites, handling RSS feeds, etc. While I can do research to learn how to handle most things, if the job is too small, why would I scramble to learn a large skill for it? If he gave a hint, I would know if it was legit or not.

Second lets talk about the size of the project. His known needs are: "some type of scripting involved", graphic design, and of course "Initially the page will be static with a comments type page that will require admin rights to manage the comments section and will require updating upon expansion.". He keeps saying web page in the singular and that would lead me to believe that he means web site instead, and is most likely multiple pages, but how many? He knows he wants at least 2 style sheets. He thinks an entire website worth a damn can be built in 1 day (of pay). So, right there he has shown a large disconnect between what he is willing to pay and the value of the person doing the work; he also has misjudged how much time goes into making a proper website.

This might be the way you pick up your day laborers from in front of Home Depot, but this isn't how you hire professional developers and designers.

So yes, I will counter a bullshit offer with a like kind response: If you pay me me 50k I will send you links to previous work. If you like what you see, we can then negotiate a contract for the entire project.
 
Dark Prodigy said:
WTF is wrong with you guys? All the guy is trying to do is recruit some possible legitimate business on this forum and all I see are a bunch of condescending pricks telling him how to ask his question.

All the OP is doing is making a loose cattle call for designer/developers FIRST with minimum info... and then upon gauging those who are possible serious candidates, he is willing to discuss matters in more detail privately.

Some of you need to get off your pseudo/internet high horse and either tell him your interested or tell him where he can gets his needs met.
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Not only what DocFaustus said, but just a couple months ago this same person was on here begging for free design work to be done, yet now he claims to have adequate funds to pay a web developer. I'm guessing that he doesn't have a specific, clear, communicable goal, and will require repeated sessions of back-and-forth to hammer out the details. That, alone, will be more than a day's work. It sounds like he's intent on only paying for a day's work, which I would call a minimum of 500-800, depending on who's doing it, but hell, that's assuming he's even able or willing to hammer out what needs to be done to get started with "one page".
 
DocFaustus said:
You are missing the point. It is really difficult to even approach the OP with any offer because hasn't established what he needs. How can I, or anyone else, possibly know if our skill sets match his requirements? I make websites for corporations, front end, back end, and everything linking between. Like many others here, I have an alphabet soup of related technology acronyms to pull from. SQL, JS, CF, HTML, CSS, XML and many many others. Each has a defined use and proper implementation to accomplish a specific task.

But more importantly there are just as many skills I don't have: Flash, sharepoint sites, handling RSS feeds, etc. While I can do research to learn how to handle most things, if the job is too small, why would I scramble to learn a large skill for it? If he gave a hint, I would know if it was legit or not.

Second lets talk about the size of the project. His known needs are: "some type of scripting involved", graphic design, and of course "Initially the page will be static with a comments type page that will require admin rights to manage the comments section and will require updating upon expansion.". He keeps saying web page in the singular and that would lead me to believe that he means web site instead, and is most likely multiple pages, but how many? He knows he wants at least 2 style sheets. He thinks an entire website worth a damn can be built in 1 day (of pay). So, right there he has shown a large disconnect between what he is willing to pay and the value of the person doing the work; he also has misjudged how much time goes into making a proper website.

This might be the way you pick up your day laborers from in front of Home Depot, but this isn't how you hire professional developers and designers.

So yes, I will counter a bullshit offer with a like kind response: If you pay me me 50k I will send you links to previous work. If you like what you see, we can then negotiate a contract for the entire project.
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This.

I think the OP should put his project up on e-Lance, oDesk, or a similar website, and have people to bid on the work. You can easily get people in India to work for under $3/hr. Most of those websites support an NDA type of thing, so you'll be set there. Quality and security will be an issue with the end-result, but hey, it costs next to nothing. It's a starting point.
 
illdklli said:
This.

I think the OP should put his project up on e-Lance, oDesk, or a similar website, and have people to bid on the work. You can easily get people in India to work for under $3/hr. Most of those websites support an NDA type of thing, so you'll be set there. Quality and security will be an issue with the end-result, but hey, it costs next to nothing. It's a starting point.
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rentacoder.com is another to check out.
 
Dark Prodigy said:
WTF is wrong with you guys? All the guy is trying to do is recruit some possible legitimate business on this forum and all I see are a bunch of condescending pricks telling him how to ask his question.

All the OP is doing is making a loose cattle call for designer/developers FIRST with minimum info... and then upon gauging those who are possible serious candidates, he is willing to discuss matters in more detail privately.

Some of you need to get off your pseudo/internet high horse and either tell him your interested or tell him where he can gets his needs met.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about.

I guess every single customer you've ever worked with walked in and said "I'm going to need PHP, Flash, Java, 15 CSS's and 25 XHTML pages all with graphics."? I'm guessing not.

All I'm looking for is someone who has designed/developed webpages and can meet needs similar to the website I posted as an example. If you cannot tell from that example what I need, then maybe I am in the wrong place and I should look to more legitimate firms. I do have a business plan, and model. Once again nobody here is a partner in what I'm looking to create so why would I tell you all of that? I'm looking for prospective EMPLOYEES who can build me something. Since apparently jobs are being handed out like candy, and you're all swimming in Scrooge McDuck money then I guess this thread it through.
 
Tawnos said:
Not only what DocFaustus said, but just a couple months ago this same person was on here begging for free design work to be done, yet now he claims to have adequate funds to pay a web developer. I'm guessing that he doesn't have a specific, clear, communicable goal, and will require repeated sessions of back-and-forth to hammer out the details. That, alone, will be more than a day's work. It sounds like he's intent on only paying for a day's work, which I would call a minimum of 500-800, depending on who's doing it, but hell, that's assuming he's even able or willing to hammer out what needs to be done to get started with "one page".
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I guess you've never asked for help?

I'm not intent on paying for a days work, I guessed it would be a days work. Again YOU are guessing at everything and I stated that any SERIOUS designers need only PM and I would discuss my ideas/requirements further.

Anyways, is it possible to delete a thread? This is obviously going nowhere and I've already got the PM's I need. HardForum is getting worse than reddit.
 
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Nixxon said:
I guess every single customer you've ever worked with walked in and said "I'm going to need PHP, Flash, Java, 15 CSS's and 25 XHTML pages all with graphics."? I'm guessing not.
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As said, I don't do web, it'd bore me to death. However, if I was looking for someone to do a website for me, I wouldn't expect to dictate technology to them.

Instead, I'd look to give them requirements that'd let them choose the appropriate technology for the job. I'd expect to tell them a general idea of what the purpose of the site is; if the content is primarily dynamic or static and who's responsible for generating it. I'd expect to provide scope on what level of security I want/need. If discussing design I'd expect to mention if I have logos and such already designed, or if those will need to be created as well. Do I want animations? I'd want to discuss scope, how many major 'areas' of the site would there be, what would be thier size, etc.

For instance I have a project I've been toying with for a while, but I have no interest in learning all the web-stuff to do it. If I were looking for help to implement, I'd go about it like so...

I want a site for looking up product information with multiple levels of user-access from anonymous reader to untrusted contributors to trusted contributors to moderators to admins. I want to be able to both lookup products on a name-basis as well as on a property basis (i.e., return products with a property-filter applied). I want a forum to go along with this. Security wise I won't have sensitive information to protect, but will need access controls as outlined above. Looking for a clean, minimalist layout with no animations. Design is to be from a clean slate, I currently have no logo or other preexisting resources to be included.

Note, that you have no clue as to what my idea is. Yet, I think that I've given enough information for someone to start coming up with a very basic idea as to scope. If I were to be serious about this, I'd spend a day or two to come up with a solid set of high-level requirements, and then go about hunting up a developer/designer.
 
Whatsisname said:
This thread hasn't been yours since I first posted in it.
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You are are being a troll by seeking attention in a thread that you really had no intention of being productive in. You are proud of the fact that you think "own" a thread in a forum.

Unbelievably Pathetic.

Seriously the last post from me to you. This was just too amazing to pass up.
 
Khanmots said:
As said, I don't do web, it'd bore me to death. However, if I was looking for someone to do a website for me, I wouldn't expect to dictate technology to them.

Instead, I'd look to give them requirements that'd let them choose the appropriate technology for the job. I'd expect to tell them a general idea of what the purpose of the site is; if the content is primarily dynamic or static and who's responsible for generating it. I'd expect to provide scope on what level of security I want/need. If discussing design I'd expect to mention if I have logos and such already designed, or if those will need to be created as well. Do I want animations? I'd want to discuss scope, how many major 'areas' of the site would there be, what would be thier size, etc.

For instance I have a project I've been toying with for a while, but I have no interest in learning all the web-stuff to do it. If I were looking for help to implement, I'd go about it like so...

I want a site for looking up product information with multiple levels of user-access from anonymous reader to untrusted contributors to trusted contributors to moderators to admins. I want to be able to both lookup products on a name-basis as well as on a property basis (i.e., return products with a property-filter applied). I want a forum to go along with this. Security wise I won't have sensitive information to protect, but will need access controls as outlined above. Looking for a clean, minimalist layout with no animations. Design is to be from a clean slate, I currently have no logo or other preexisting resources to be included.

Note, that you have no clue as to what my idea is. Yet, I think that I've given enough information for someone to start coming up with a very basic idea as to scope. If I were to be serious about this, I'd spend a day or two to come up with a solid set of high-level requirements, and then go about hunting up a developer/designer.
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I agree with you, but the nature of the build will divulge the idea of my business and I would rather not do that on a public forum which is why I asked for any developers to PM me. I needed to leave it general. In any case I have recieved PMs and found the information/contacts I'm looking for.
 
I guess the disconnect here is that the OP doesn't realize how many vague offers like these end up wasting everybody's time. I can't tell you how many "confidential business offers" I get that end up being someone wanting you to build them "something like MySpace, Facebook, eBay, etc.." for a couple hundred dollars.
 
It's not mine either. It's "owned" by everyone who has posted it in.

Nixxon said:
You are are being a troll by seeking attention in a thread that you really had no intention of being productive in. You are proud of the fact that you think "own" a thread in a forum.

Unbelievably Pathetic.

Seriously the last post from me to you. This was just too amazing to pass up.
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maw said:
I guess the disconnect here is that the OP doesn't realize how many vague offers like these end up wasting everybody's time. I can't tell you how many "confidential business offers" I get that end up being someone wanting you to build them "something like MySpace, Facebook, eBay, etc.." for a couple hundred dollars.
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This is exactly what it comes down to. The reason the thread went the way it did was because of the OP disregarding the comments as being non-productive.
 
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