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Chilly

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I'm looking into getting my VCP4 certification in the very near future and will be paying for the required training class out of my own pocket.

Because I'll be paying for it myself, and have no one to reimburse me but myself :p, I'm always on the look out for ways to save some money. Anyways, I came across this "Deal/Sale" that VMWare Training seem to be running. I'm curious if there's anyone here who's going to registering for some training soon who wouldn't mind sharing or splitting the discount.

It's a long-shot, but I would be extremely grateful to anyone who could help me out. :)

http://mylearn.vmware.com/mgrReg/plan.cfm?plan=22767&ui=www
 
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You should take the vSphere 5 courses once they're available and take the VCP5. Looking at the course catalog, it looks like they will be available in October. Otherwise you'll take the training on vSphere 4, then take the VCP4 exam... only to turn around in a tight time frame to upgrade your VCP4 to a VCP5. VMware only allows several months of lag time for VCPs to upgrade to the latest version... after that you have to pay for another course. I believe the deadline to upgrade a VCP4 to a VCP5 is sometime late February next year.
 
+1 for VCP5 training

If you don't mind me asking, why are you paying for it out of your own pocket? Are you getting the cert to get a job or get a better job?
 
I want both my VCP4 and VCP5. Perhaps it's silly, but I do want to be able to say I have/had both. I thought I still had some time, but then VMWare announced vSphere 5 a couple months before I expected they would(I wasn't paying much attention to vSphere 5 news or when it'd be released). My goal is to gave my VCP4 training course in before the end of August/September, and pass my VCP4 exam by September/October.

From there I will start studying up on the differences and changes in vSphere 5(during the lag time from passing the exam and actually getting the cert) and pass the VCP5 exam by Dec/Jan. The VCP5 deadline for VCP4 holders is February 29, 2012. Yes I know its a little tight, and while I hope I pass the exams on my first try, I know full well that I might not. I do however have a flexible schedule right now and can take advantage of it and quickly retake the exam after the 7 day wait period.

To be completely honest, I'm doing it and paying for it out of pocket mainly because, I'm passionate about it and I want to. I have in the past spent my money on way worse things *looks at the SR-2(Dual Xeon 5650)/CrossFire 6970 system I'm typing this on*(which in order to afford/fund this I'll probably have to sell). Beyond that it will hopefully help give me a bit of an edge over my peers whenever I look to get that better job, whatever or whenever that may be.

I'm a full-time student and not currently in the job market right now. Before I went back to school(In January 2011) I worked as an On-Site tech for small business and home users, fulfilling their basic networking and computing needs. When it comes to computing, I'm quite the crazy nut and wanting to get my VCP is really just the start of the madness, I have my eye on obtaining a CCIE or two as well as plenty of hands on experience in various situations.
 
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You really should wait to get your VCP5. Most of the end user accounts that I work with like their job applicants to have the "latest" certs but also having VS4 hands on experience will be a plus. Pairing a VCP with a dBase Admin Certification is always a good way to go.
 
Take the VCP5..and then go take the VCAP-DCA on vSphere 4. :) Better use of your time.
 
When is VCP5 material going to start showing up?

I hate to say it but I have to re-prioritize my learning. I have been trying to learn too much stuff too fast (that is why I am always on here asking silly questions):p

I am going to get back to concentrating on finishing up ICND2 and by the time I have my CCNA i think the VCP5 stuff should be out.
 
AMD_Gamer said:
When is VCP5 material going to start showing up?
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Material? Today! Haven't read it yet, but I have already bought the ebook of "VMware vSphere 5 Clustering Technical Deepdive" by Frank and Duncan.

As for training classes, depending on where you live, there's one or two that begin at the end of August, but most are starting in September.

http://mylearn.vmware.com/portals/w...ect=24385&deliveryType=1&filters=deliveryType

When can you take your exam? I can't quite find that right now, but I'd guess September/October.
 
My official VMware Vsphere ESXi: Install, configure and manage class cost around $100. Yup, less than $100 at a local community college. We have to buy the book Vmware Training Books, which cost around $50 bucks. So total is less than $150 for the course :D

Check around to see if there's any colleges that is on Vmware Academy list and see how much their tuition are :)
 
Chilly said:
Material? Today! Haven't read it yet, but I have already bought the ebook of "VMware vSphere 5 Clustering Technical Deepdive" by Frank and Duncan.

As for training classes, depending on where you live, there's one or two that begin at the end of August, but most are starting in September.

http://mylearn.vmware.com/portals/w...ect=24385&deliveryType=1&filters=deliveryType

When can you take your exam? I can't quite find that right now, but I'd guess September/October.
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I'm about 2/3rds through Duncan and Frank's book. Because I had a pretty deep understanding of how it worked on vSphere 4 I think I was able to pick up most of the changes mentally. There is still something to be said for using it too, book knowledge is just that, book knowlege. They need to let us dl it already. :|
 
Chilly said:
Material? Today! Haven't read it yet, but I have already bought the ebook of "VMware vSphere 5 Clustering Technical Deepdive" by Frank and Duncan.

As for training classes, depending on where you live, there's one or two that begin at the end of August, but most are starting in September.

http://mylearn.vmware.com/portals/w...ect=24385&deliveryType=1&filters=deliveryType

When can you take your exam? I can't quite find that right now, but I'd guess September/October.
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I was thinking more like the new version of Mastering VMware vSphere 5.
 
NetJunkie said:
Take the VCP5..and then go take the VCAP-DCA on vSphere 4. :) Better use of your time.
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I'm really starting to rethink my study plan as well. I guess the studying that I have done is not wasted totally on VCP4 if I transition to VCP5. Can you get VCAP-DCA4 with no VCP4 though? I know you can upgrade your VCP4 to 5 by passing the VCAP-DCA5 whenever it comes. I'm wondering how long until the VCAP's transition though.
 
vSphere 5 isn't totally new. It's very incremental so knowing vSphere 4 is a great foundation to prep for the VCP5 exam. I think it'll be a little while on the VCAP-* exams to be upgraded. They haven't been out that long.
 
I don't see job listing looking for VCP or any of the certs. Just VMware and virtualization knowledge. Has anyone else noticed this?
 
I see a lot for VCP...if you go work for a vendor or partner they'll want it for sure.
 
AMD_Gamer said:
I don't see job listing looking for VCP or any of the certs. Just VMware and virtualization knowledge. Has anyone else noticed this?
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A lot of places want Windows/network admins, almost always who can do other somewhat specialized stuff too, like Citrix or VMware administration. The VMware stuff, well they have a partner to come in and do anything complicated and they figure they'll rely on support and hammer their employee when things go south. A general admin costs way less than someone highly specialized. I know all about that, I'm one of those people, and it is really hard to find a job to be a VMware only architect distinctly or some combination of design/administration here locally. If I wanted to find one of those more general Windows admin+ jobs its a solid 20k/yr cut in pay. I can find work to make even more money than I do now if I want to travel 75% or more.

Its usually SMBs who want the jack of all trades admins, and its always when shit hits the fan that they realize the scope of what being virtualized by a high percentage means. Usually it takes a DR event, or something gets hosed up and isn't working that is critical. It amazes me around here even, how far up the stack efforts to resolve issues can occur, because the people looking don't understand what I thought would be basic concepts. I guess not so basic?

As an example, there was a VM someone here was trying to hot clone. It busted during the process.. not sure why, I wasn't there to see that. The result was the destination VM was deleted and the source ended up being powered off, but it wouldn't power on after it died. They spent all night until the next morning working on it. They gave up and rolled out a brand new VM from template and started restoring from the (at the time) in guest agent-based backups. Turns out when I got a chance to look at the problem, that the vmdk descriptor files were missing, so only the -flat files were left behind. When they would power on the VM, it would say an unspecified file was missing. What could have taken a half-way decent VMware admin (with some google-fu) 5-10 minutes to fix from start to finish took them 10-12 hours. What's really funny is they had trouble getting the restored app to work, so I ended up fixing the VM anyway. Their management was really upset, understandably.

I hadn't ever seen someone assume they've got the correct understanding of the problem lead to that much time wasted. VMware is dangerous in a way because of how easy it is AT FIRST and how it initially can hide a bad design (SPoFs, storage, recoverability, operations, etc). Its common for people to overassume their knowledge level too... we're all human, but when the shit hits the fan it all fleshes out in a hurry.
 
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