Vista should be cheaper

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Ballmer is blaming hackers for poor sales, actually I think the issue is the software doesn't merit purchase right now.

Make it cheaper and maybe more people may try it

Wii is doing better than 360 and PS3 because it won't cost you a liver to buy one
 
it seems like a pretty good deal to me. If I needed/wanted it I would just lay down the cash for it.


I figure if people pay $500 for a video card a $150 piece of software should not be a big deal.

If you can't afford it you probably don't need it. plain and simple
 
Vista should be cheaper

Cars should run on water

Everyone should be millionaire

PCs should be free

Games anyways

Consoles don't need to cost that much either



Someone's gotta learn to face the facts of life.
 
Possibly.




But then what the hell am I gonna do with this extra liver???
 
Vista UPAIWATE* is, what, 300 smackaroos?

XP Pro before that, another 300 or so, and that was six years ago.

300 bucks every six years.

Six times twelve is 72. 300 divided by 72 is ~4. That's 4 bucks a month for a subscription to Windows. Considering the US$ has dropped to a value of about half a pesos... I mean, shit, $4? I spend more than that every month on chewing gum, and I don't chew an awful lot of gum either.

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You can go OEM and get ultimate for $199 or home premium for $119. Not a bad deal.

I think they should have released only one version(ultimate) and sold it for $149. No upgrade or retail, just one retail copy including 32 and 64bit in the box.

Would've made more sense, cut down on confusion and made it more appealing for those on the fence.
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
Vista UPAIWATE* is, what, 300 smackaroos?

XP Pro before that, another 300 or so, and that was six years ago.

300 bucks every six years.

Six times twelve is 72. 300 divided by 72 is ~4. That's 4 bucks a month for a subscription to Windows. Considering the US$ has dropped to a value of about half a pesos... I mean, shit, $4? I spend more than that every month on chewing gum, and I don't chew an awful lot of gum either.

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Not to mention the fact people seem to have no trouble paying $10-$15 a month for a game subscription.
 
Archer75 said:
I think they should have released only one version(ultimate) and sold it for $149. No upgrade or retail, just one retail copy including 32 and 64bit in the box.
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I agree, it would have made things alot less confusing for alot of people, and I think it would sell a bit quicker.. But anyhow...

I picked up a couple Home Premium OEM versions for $129... and I have no issue with spending that every couple of years, I mean it's an OS, not a game or some other piece of software, and, excluding *nix users, it's the one thing you must have in order for your computer to work.... sooo, I don't really see where the problem is.
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
Vista UPAIWATE* is, what, 300 smackaroos?

XP Pro before that, another 300 or so, and that was six years ago.
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I think NewEgg had OEM versions available for around $150 or so. Windows 2000 was slightly less money, but could be amortized over a longer period, since it had been around slightly longer. Hope they still keep supporting 2K - It's still my fave, as everyone here knows by now.
 
They have a monopoly. Why exactly would they price it lower? Go buy XP. Vista offers very few real benefits.
 
general said:
They have a monopoly. Why exactly would they price it lower? Go buy XP. Vista offers very few real benefits.
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You have an opinion about Vista, but please don't take the ignorance route like so many others have been doing, and assume you're opinions about Vista speak to everyone.
 
Looking at the OEM prices, Vista seems very reasonably priced. Retail...meh.
 
So should the PS3, cars, food in New York, plane tickets, etc...
 
I think the original topic post makes a reasonable point, and think much of the response it has received is unwarranted, to be quite honest. I'd definitely like to have seen the retail cost of Vista located at lower price points and I believe Vista would have attracted a better initial consumer response if it had.

My personal views on the matter were published early last year and for quite a while that article enjoyed a rather wide readership which had it popping up right at the top of relevent google searches. I still adhere to the views I expressed there, because I've seen nothing during the course of Beta testing or since commercial release which warrants altering that outlook, IMO.

If anything, the formula used there is now even more an indication that Vista is priced too high. Whilst a pretty damned capable could be built or purchased for $AU2000 at the time of writing that article you can now get hold of such a system for $AU1500 or less. It simply isn't unreasonable to expect that an OS suited to utilising the full potential of such a system is going to cost no more than 25% of the purchase price. Good grief! For little more than the recommended retail price of Vista Ultimate I could go purchase an entire system which, while by no means 'cutting edge', would be more than adequate for the computing requirements of most people.
 
YES! Vista should be cheaper! alot cheaper
Plus its release should of been held off to a time when drivers were present (not even talking abt nvidia, I am talking about printers!!) - MS could of helped as well (remember an OS is nothing without hardware)

Ultimate is retailing in the UK for near on £300! (£340 after VAT, remember this is POUNDS, so that is almost $700) THAT is alot of money!, that is almost 1/3 of my months salary (after Tax), shite that is over half what I have left after rent bills and loans.

Now Home Prem is going for £170 (£200 with VAT, ie $400) which is a bit better but OEM is going for £60 (£72 with VAT, ie $140) and that is more like it, and for that price I would concider (even tri-booting for some time).

Question tho the OEM did MS push through that change to the OEM licence (ie you can't get with a power-splitter)


MS have touted that DRM is incorporated quite significantly into Vista (not going to start on at DRM). Thus a pretty portion of the cost of Vista can be directly related to this DRM, the same DRM that has been cercumvented, thus the consumer is paying for wasted developement


if someone can answer me what the total cost of getting 64bit Vista Home-Prem in the UK is, and if it is less then £100 (VAT, extra hardware to satisfy OEM, not including P&P) I will pick it up for my 28th Bday, if the price is >£100 then Vista is expensive.

Remember something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay. I am willing to pay £100 total, is that possible?
 
:rolleyes: I think it's a pretty good price for what it is. I mean, the damn thing will last you longer than any other purchase you make for a computer, not too mention it lasts you longer than a console. $4 a month is freaking cheap. I'm pretty sure I find that much in discarded change a month.
 
I really wish people would not go "but it only cost $x a month"
Last time I checked it is a lump-sum, one-off payment to get Vista (like it is to get most things

Sure those that pays a monthly sub to WoW, <insert MMO> can't really argue but what about the rest of us? the rest that do not have a disposable income and maybe every 6months invest in a new game at &#163;20 (the most recent one I got was BF2142 for &#163;23 last month and the next time I can justify buying a new game is around the time UT2007 comes out)
 
It is a one time lump sum payment, something I've been saying for nearly a year now but no one cares. All they want is what they want and they want it for free if possible, anything else is reason to bitch/whine/moan/groan/complain/post incessantly about it.

Good lord...

As I've said before, people will bitch/whine/moan/groan/complain/post incessantly about a one time cost for a product they'll typically use for years, but when it comes to the long term costs of being a drinker, a smoker, a drug addict (encompasses the first two, actually), overeater, pr0n addict, adrenaline junkie, automotive tweaker, etc... it's nearly irrelevant in the big scheme of things.
 
bbz_Ghost said:
It is a one time lump sum payment, something I've been saying for nearly a year now but no one cares. All they want is what they want and they want it for free if possible, anything else is reason to bitch/whine/moan/groan/complain/post incessantly about it.

Good lord...

As I've said before, people will bitch/whine/moan/groan/complain/post incessantly about a one time cost for a product they'll typically use for years, but when it comes to the long term costs of being a drinker, a smoker, a drug addict (encompasses the first two, actually), overeater, pr0n addict, adrenaline junkie, automotive tweaker, etc... it's nearly irrelevant in the big scheme of things.
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monthly subscriptions to those vices are already budgeted by those people concerned (and the fact that they can afford a vice means they can prob afford Vista IF they saved up for it, shite I wish I could afford to have a drinking habbit :rolleyes: )

anyway, a budgeted thing is VERY different lump payments. ONLY the die-hard of addicts of drinking/smoking will take a trip to France every 6months and spend a good few hundred pounds (to say an extra &#163;30) to feed their addiction, the rest it is just an overhead

So these people have an overhead associated with their Vice, to suddenly come out and fork out &#163;300 for an operating system (plus and extra &#163;150 for another gig of RAM, plus any extra stuff) WILL BE FELT BY THEM!!! so they either drop it onto their over-stretched credit cards OR they save for a good few months

you cannot breakdown a lump-payment into a monthly installment IF an option to sell as a monthly installment does not exist
 
Agreed. Subscription purchasing sucks, and I don't personally like hearing about prices in that fashion either because I'm not interested. Total cost of ownership is all I really consider when assessing the value of something I purchase or plan to purchase.


This discussion has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of people's personal habits, by the way. Those shouldn't be compared, because they are an irrelevence.
 
Catweazle said:
This discussion has absolutely nothing to do with the cost of people's personal habits, by the way. Those shouldn't be compared, because they are an irrelevence.
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Wrong. Because using a computer is very relevant to those that are considering the purchase of said overpriced operating system to begin with. The only way to make things more clear sometimes is to use things that people take for granted and put it in terms they can easily understand, which is what I did.

2 packs a day x the average cost of a pack of brand name cigarettes = a lot of money over time. I don't smoke so I can't quote prices.

2 six packs a week or even more frequently = a lot of money over time. I don't drink so I can't quote prices.

Drugs? I won't even go there... I'm staring at my drug of choice right now, as I'm sure a lot of others are as well, but this was a one time cost (actually it was free, all of it) but the Internet connection is my "fix" so that's $52/month, plus a few bucks for the electricity... go figure.

We get these kinds of threads every once in a while and they all end up with the same fate: locked outright or they just fade away...
 
It's their toy, not a government hand out. If they choose to charge 300, 3000 or 30,000 for their software, they are allowed.

We, the consumers, have a great deal of power in that we can equally choose NOT to pay for their product. Most people seem to be stuck in the sheep like mentality that because MS charges, we must pay.
 
Why should it be cheaper? I find the reasons given so far less than compelling..
You don't have to upgrade yet, or ever.. As of right now, I can think of no "Vista only" "must have" app... There are plenty of alternatives..
1) Stick with whatever you are currently running..
2) Xp/Xp64
3)Linux
4)Buy a Mac

I think a lot of things cost too much, but prices are determined by what people are willing to pay, regardless of actual value.. That applies to almost everything..
Wait a bit, then shop around til you can find Vista at a price you can stomach..
 
eeyrjmr said:
monthly subscriptions to those vices are already budgeted by those people concerned (and the fact that they can afford a vice means they can prob afford Vista IF they saved up for it, shite I wish I could afford to have a drinking habbit :rolleyes: )

anyway, a budgeted thing is VERY different lump payments. ONLY the die-hard of addicts of drinking/smoking will take a trip to France every 6months and spend a good few hundred pounds (to say an extra £30) to feed their addiction, the rest it is just an overhead

So these people have an overhead associated with their Vice, to suddenly come out and fork out £300 for an operating system (plus and extra £150 for another gig of RAM, plus any extra stuff) WILL BE FELT BY THEM!!! so they either drop it onto their over-stretched credit cards OR they save for a good few months

you cannot breakdown a lump-payment into a monthly installment IF an option to sell as a monthly installment does not exist
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So then why couldn't someone budget the cost of the OS into their computer upgrade? You're examples go way off course as the the issues here.

The only issue here is that people will bitch at whatever Microsoft chooses. If Vista was free, people would bitch that the support was lacking. If each service pack had a fee, people would bitch that it was like the Apple OSX. It's a one-time payment, and people still bitch.

You can try to rationalize/irrationalize the cost however you want. The fact of the matter is, it has a cost, and we know what it is. No one is forced to buy it, no one simply has to have it right now. The only thing that is hard to stomach is the amount of whining about the costs.
 
"Oh god... it hurts... my stomach... please... make it stop... ouch... it hurts... right in my stomach... and my eyes... and my ears... PLEASE GOD MAKE IT STOP"

</inside_joke> hehehe Sorry, couldn't resist...
 
I think the six years comment is funny. Most around here speed a few $1000 on PC upgrades in that time frame yet its unfair to spend $150 - $200 for a OS upgrade?

Also, look at Apple for a second, they charge around $130 for every . release that is every few months it seems like :p

I think it is cool that Vista is close to XP in price even though it is a brand new OS, I for one was impressed by that.
 
No wonder topics like this get locked! It's not because of the topic content, it's because of the repsonses made by people who appear to be hell-bent on destroying the topic.

Gasoline and energy costs are nothing to do with Vista. Basic healthcare is free in my country, so go talk to your cruddy government if it isn't in yours.


"Hey! Did you see that little old lady get slapped down by a bag-snatcher?"

"Stuff her! A kiddie got raped last week, and that's more serious"


Thread-crapping sucks.

:shrugs:
 
Black Morty Rackham said:
Vista UPAIWATE* is, what, 300 smackaroos?

XP Pro before that, another 300 or so, and that was six years ago.

300 bucks every six years.

Six times twelve is 72. 300 divided by 72 is ~4. That's 4 bucks a month for a subscription to Windows. Considering the US$ has dropped to a value of about half a pesos... I mean, shit, $4? I spend more than that every month on chewing gum, and I don't chew an awful lot of gum either.

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I like that idea, pay a couple bucks a month for use of windows. instead of all at once
 
Catweazle said:
Basic healthcare is free in my country, so go talk to your cruddy government if it isn't in yours.
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I couldn't let this idiotic comment pass. Somebody pays for it, it's not just free. Go talk to your cruddy socialist government about it...
 
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You entered this thread just for that?

I pay for it, lad. Comes from the taxes I willingly pay. They help others less fortnate than myself too, and I feel really good about that.

But if you want to argue it as a political argument, rather than respond to the actual topic, your comment is nothing more than thread-shitting as well. My comment was nothing more than a throwaway used to illustrate a point relevent to the discussion.
 
acascianelli said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16832116213

I hate Microsoft, but even I think that $200 for the full blown edition of Vista isn't too bad.

...However for me, the only price I'm willing to pay is $0. Thats why I use Linux.
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sorry buddy, that aint the bull blown edition. thats the stupid retarded one time use OEM version. and while i'm sure microsoft is more leaniant regarding its useage than it sounds (I mean they have to be, add a hardrive to my retail non-oem copy of XP and I gotta reactivate the damn thing and change the CD-Key!) still, it is the dumb OEM version. to get the REAL Vista, you gotta pay atleast $240 or so for Home premium, and then you gotta shell out another ten bucks plus shipping time for the 64-bit version. which I still haven't ordered cuz their website won't accept my airforce address (i've never ever had a problem). so I gotta friggin call em, and it will probably take forever to get through to someone who can actually help me order it.

there really should just be one vista. at the most, two versions, and neither of them should be 32-bit. I won't name a price cuz, well, it doesn't matter. but soley for the fact that a lot of people who don't know what they are doing are gonna get screwed into paying to upgrade to a real version of Vista.

just like there should only be one 360 and one PS3. I can't imagine playing oblivion on the cheapo 360 with no hardrive, if you even can...
 
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