Vista DRM

jimmyb said:
I don't think I ever made any suggestion as to how wide open it was in XP/2000; just that RPC-1 drives won't work in any "official" capacity on Vista.

Yes this problem will rarely be encountered by anyone.
Yes this problem has workarounds (albeit some illegal depending on where you are).
Yes I correctly answered the OP's question.

I think some of you guys think I'm trying to attack Vista. Really, I'm not. I use it on a daily basis and have relatively little issue with it. I was just trying to answer the OP's question. It's disingenuous to suggest that this isn't a DRM issue on Vista though.
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This isn't a Vista DRM issue though. It's simply a lack of driver support. The driver developers decided that it was too much hassle to implement a sub-routine to check for region coding when 99.9999999% of hardware that's capable of using Vista won't ever encounter. It's not like the DRM mechanism in Vista looks at the drive and says "Hey, you can't use this drive."
 
well it just sounds odd that it only affects some people who swap cpu's and not others...and that deleting a folder would simply make it go away....it doesn't sound like an intentional feature, just sounds like a quirk with a quirky fix to me....

i just dont know....if they really wanted to enforce DRM why would it not affect 99% of users and files and situations?
 
ryan_975 said:
This isn't a Vista DRM issue though.
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It's not like the DRM mechanism in Vista looks at the drive and says "Hey, you can't use this drive."
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The only difference between RPC-1 and RPC-2 drives is in their DRM. Vista doesn't support RPC-1 drives. Regardless of what mechanism is preventing you from playing DVDs, this is a DRM issue, and this is unique to Vista (AFAIK). Like I said earlier, it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise.

MS's motivation for removing support doesn't change the fact that this is a DRM issue. Support was removed for hardware where the only difference is in how it handles DRM.
 
ryan_975 said:
It's not bypassing it, it's resetting it.
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If that was the case, then DRM material could easily be bypassed with a simple script that a 10 year old could make with a batch file. Sorry, no dice. It doesn't work that way.
 
bholstege said:
lol, reread my post, in regards to resetting the DRM for the TV tuner. hah
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Yes, that's great. I have a TV tuner in my machine as well and I've never had that problem. Multiple machines actually. (some are now sold though)
 
w1retap said:
If that was the case, then DRM material could easily be bypassed with a simple script that a 10 year old could make with a batch file. Sorry, no dice. It doesn't work that way.
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really? how so, this "fix" doesn't deactivate DRM, if you don't have the license to play a piece, you still don't get to play just because you reset the system's DRM store. It doesn't work that way.
 
w1retap said:
If that was the case, then DRM material could easily be bypassed with a simple script that a 10 year old could make with a batch file. Sorry, no dice. It doesn't work that way.
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This fix does NOT remove DRM, or stop it from working. It just causes your system to reset its DRM signature, so it doesn't cause problems. This does not circumvent it in any way.

So YES DICE, it bloody damn well DOES work that way.
 
w1retap said:
Yes, that's great. I have a TV tuner in my machine as well and I've never had that problem. Multiple machines actually. (some are now sold though)
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Obviously it doesn't trigger for everyone. But it does trigger for a significant number of people. It happened to me, and it worked, so I'm not sure what point your trying to argue here. I have already done it.
 
bholstege said:
This fix does NOT remove DRM, or stop it from working. It just causes your system to reset its DRM signature, so it doesn't cause problems. This does not circumvent it in any way.

So YES DICE, it bloody damn well DOES work that way.
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Like I said, if that was the case, anyone who wanted to pirate and share DRM media could simply make a batch file that deletes the folder to bypass the "DRM". The way it is described by you, that's exactly what it sounds like. Read your post #25.
 
w1retap said:
Like I said, if that was the case, anyone who wanted to pirate and share DRM media could simply make a batch file that deletes the folder to bypass the "DRM". The way it is described by you, that's exactly what it sounds like. Read your post #25.
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Do you understand how the Vista DRM works - at all? I will explain it to you as simply as possible.

1)Broadcaster puts a broadcast flag on a broadcast
2)Vista uses your hardware to generate a "DRM tag" when you install
3)you upgrade hardware, like your CPU, which was used to generate the tag
4) when you try to use media center, it doesn't match its own flag, which makes thing go wrong
5) you delete "DRM folder", causing the OS to regenerate the "DRM tag"

This does not cause people with DRM tags to be able to watch your recorded shows. It just causes the DRM to reset, so that you match your own flag.
 
I'm well aware... but that isn't the way you claimed it to be the first time. Still, there are descrepancies. If that is the case, I could transfer DRM material over to someone's PC in China, simply "reset" the DRM tag as you call it, and it would be good to go. By your reset logic, it would adapt to any new settings, thus rendering the DRM pointless. Can you point out any detailed tech documents that prove your point?

If it is using unique hardware ID's, that's a whole other story. But that seems not to be the case, because I've upgraded motherboards, CPU's, graphics cards, sound cards, and ram all at once without running into what little DRM content I own not working under vista. It all works fine.
 
It would generate a key for your machine. If that key does not match the recording, the recording won't play. How exactly would resetting they key let you watch another persons recording?

Can you please quote were I said anything different? I have no idea what your talking about.
 
I was speaking more along the lines of Microsoft reference documents, not just people's forum posts. Having been able to run VMC and record everything just fine, update my hardware and it still plays fine, I don't see why these people are running into issues and I am not. For all I know, they could be running some other software on their machine, because it certainly doesn't seem to be an OS-wide occurence.
 
Thanks for the info. The problem appears to be broadcast flags embedded in certain tv stations or tv programs/movies. To this date, I've never ran across any, and from being in contact with my cable company, they said they don't relay any broadcast flags through their network. Maybe that's why it's a non-issue for me. Otherwise, the only issue you'd run into is fully digital encrypted channels, but those must be used with CableCARD anyhow.
 
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