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vesa adopts free sync

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http://www.blurbusters.com/vesa-adopts-freesync/

So what does that mean for future monitors?
 
Well it would mean that any monitor using the DP 1.2a standard for input would have support for dynamic refresh rates (and hopefully backlight strobing for additional fun times above a certain refresh)
 
It also means we don't have to pay $100's for some proprietary tech that locks the feature out of competing brands.
 
Good to know. It will be interesting to see if there is any discernible difference between this solution and NVIDIA's GPU-level hardware solution. The idea of paying an extra $200 for a G-sync capable monitor is definitely off-putting when you could use the extra money on a bigger size or better panel. Maybe once the technology has been amortised it won't add as much to the cost of the monitor.
 
since Nvidia can do free-sync as well, im sure they will spin it somehow to make it a "better solution" so they can keep charging for it.
 
Well this is good news! Displayport 1.2a to boot? Nice!

Planned for a while it looks like.
 
Relayer said:
It also means we don't have to pay $100's for some proprietary tech that locks the feature out of competing brands.
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It's an optional part of the standard simply for variable refresh rate. It does not include a hardware scaler so it won't replace Gsync.
 
Why would you need a hardware scaler for dynamic refresh?

most modern monitors have their own scaler anyway
 
PRIME1 said:
It's an optional part of the standard simply for variable refresh rate. It does not include a hardware scaler so it won't replace Gsync.
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Since your almost a nvidia pr rep , how many nvidia cards support dp1.2 ?
only seeing titanz and 780ti on their site...
 
PRIME1 said:
It's an optional part of the standard simply for variable refresh rate. It does not include a hardware scaler so it won't replace Gsync.
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LoL. Good one, a hardware scaler is now a requirement for dynamic refresh.
 
PRIME1 said:
It's an optional part of the standard simply for variable refresh rate. It does not include a hardware scaler so it won't replace Gsync.
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We'll see. I'll go out on a limb and say FreeSync will kill off GSync.
 
LordEC911 said:
LoL. Good one, a hardware scaler is now a requirement for dynamic refresh.
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He's a bit confused... the current G-Sync module replaces a monitors' hardware scaler (which means it not only handles dynamic refresh rates, but all scaler duties).

No word yet on how FreeSync will operate.
 
it may be required for G-sync, but it will not be required for FreeSync as already deominstrated by the laptops that support it.

So, no, dynamic frefresh does not require a sclaer.

However, just like ANY monitor, a scaler is required to display any resolution other than native.

Im sure nvidia used it as an excuse to up the price.
 
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It's a moot point. Freesync may never be supported in retail and just continue to be paper. Until it actually does show up and can be independently tested, it's vaporware.
 
PRIME1 said:
It's a moot point. Freesync may never be supported in retail and just continue to be paper. Until it actually does show up and can be independently tested, it's vaporware.
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It is already supported in retail...
 
and Vesa just approved it last week for full DP support.(it was a eDP spec prior wich is why it works in laptops)
 
PRIME1 said:
It's a moot point. Freesync may never be supported in retail and just continue to be paper. Until it actually does show up and can be independently tested, it's vaporware.
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it was announced that it was being added to vesa yesterday and it is already vaporware? really dude?

so from the time things are announced companies have one day to get it to the market or it is grade a prime 1 vaporware.
 
The Mac said:
it may be required for G-sync, but it will not be required for FreeSync as already deominstrated by the laptops that support it.

So, no, dynamic frefresh does not require a sclaer.

However, just like ANY monitor, a scaler is required to display any resolution other than native.

Im sure nvidia used it as an excuse to up the price.
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Petersen quickly pointed out an important detail about AMD's "free sync" demo: it was conducted on laptop systems. Laptops, he explained, have a different display architecture than desktops, with a more direct interface between the GPU and the LCD panel, generally based on standards like LVDS or eDP (embedded DisplayPort). Desktop monitors use other interfaces, like HDMI and DisplayPort, and typically have a scaler chip situated in the path between the GPU and the panel. As a result, a feature like variable refresh is nearly impossible to implement on a desktop monitor as things now stand.


If you recall our report from yesterday on this subject, Nvidia and AMD do seem to agree on some of the key issues here. Both firms have told us that the technology to support variable refresh rates exists in some cases already. Both have said that the biggest challenge to widespread adoption of the tech on the desktop is support among panel (and scaler ASIC) makers. They tend to disagree on the best means of pushing variable refresh tech into wider adoption. Obviously, after looking at the landscape, Nvidia chose to build the G-Sync module and enable the feature itself.

My sense is that AMD will likely work with the existing scaler ASIC makers and monitor makers, attempting to persuade them to support dynamic refresh rates in their hardware. Now that Nvidia has made a splash with G-Sync, AMD could find this path easier simply because monitor makers may be more willing to add a feature with obvious consumer appeal. We'll have to see how long it takes for "free sync" solutions to come to market. We've seen a number of G-Sync-compatible monitors announced here at CES, and most of them are expected to hit store shelves in the second quarter of 2014.
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http://techreport.com/news/25878/nvidia-responds-to-amd-free-sync-demo

So, it looks to me like freesync may benefit laptops currently but not monitors that require HDMI, DP, and DVI. You'll have to get a new monitor that has either Gsync, or a "Freesync" scaler already in it.

As PRIME1 said. It seems Freesync is basically vaporware till its a capability for AMD's descrete GPU's and a monitor with a compatible scaler.

Anandtech did a article on the subjust and they talk about VBLANK but it seems pretty obvious that if this was a option AMD could turn on right now with its current R9, Xbox One, and PS4 GPU's, then why haven't they?
 
As stated by AMD, all current AMD gpu products currently support variable refresh, therefore freesync.

It benefits laptops currently because they use eDP to connect their screens wich it is part of the eDP spec for powersaving features, it is deprecated in the current full DP spec (it was a leftover from the CRT days where vblank was used to encode certain things like macrovision)

Since it has now been approved as part of the regualar DP spec, the sclaler issue is irrevent. So again, a scaler is not necessary for the feature as any monitor supporting the spec will already have a compatible scaler included.

ANY monitor that is DP 1.2a compliant will support free-sync.
 
The Mac said:
As stated by AMD, all current AMD gpu products currently support variable refresh, therefore freesync.

It benefits laptops currently because they use eDP to connect their screens wich it is part of the eDP spec for powersaving features, it is deprecated in the current full DP spec (it was a leftover from the CRT days where vblank was used to encode certain things like macrovision)

Since it has now been approved as part of the regualar DP spec, the sclaler issue is irrevent. So again, a scaler is not necessary for the feature as any monitor supporting the spec will already have a compatible scaler included.

ANY monitor that is DP 1.2a compliant will support free-sync.
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I imagine there is a hell of a lot of DP 1.2 capable monitors out in the wild already. I have 3 in my house on 3 separate machines currently. What's the hold up?
 
DP 1.2a.

Id be surprised if you had one, as it was just a pproved by VESA last week.

lol

thats not to say that vanila 1.2 wont have it, its just not required.

Someone needs to make a tool to check.
 
Oh! DP 1.2a. So we're back to needing new hardware, like a Gsync capable monitor or a new monitor that supports DP 1.2a?

Edit: Or that's not to say that vanilla 1.2 wont have it, its just not required? Confusing. Sounds like I would need a new monitor, or at least a Gsync replacement part for a current monitor.
 
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vanilla 1.2 CAN have it, but its not a requirement of the spec. You would have ot find some way to check.

Of course you will need a new monitor if your current one doesnt have it.

Thats not the point, the point is someone isnt upcharging you $100 for it and forcing you to use specific GPU hardware.

Its now an industry standard spec.

I dont even have a DP monitor, so id need a new one anyway.

lol
 
The Mac said:
Thats not the point, the point is someone isnt upcharging you $100 for it and forcing you to use specific GPU hardware.
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Well, like I said I have three monitors that do support 1.2 (but no AMD cards). So! the part about not forcing you into specific GPU hardware may be incorrect.

AnandTech does say
If variable VBLANK control is indeed integrated into all modern AMD GPUs, that means the Xbox One and PS4 should also have support for this.
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So, either way you would be forced into specific hardware, one way or the other. Guess they are the only 2 (real) options available. We all know Nvidia has working product on the market already. They may develop their own version of "Freesync" or perhaps the price of Gsync might come down dramatically by the time AMD can get anything going with Freesync.

Who Knows. I do like all this competition which seems to have some big idea's going on lately. I just hope one doesn't become the next Voodoo any time soon (next few years).
 
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As FreeSync is now a VESA standard it will work on all GPUs, AMD, Intel and even NVIDIA. G-Sync will only ever work on NVIDIA.
 
Spazturtle said:
As FreeSync is now a VESA standard it will work on all GPUs, AMD, Intel and even NVIDIA. G-Sync will only ever work on NVIDIA.
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Moving forward or supporting current HDMI/Display Port/DVI is the question. If its going forward like I would imagine then everyone needs a new monitor. Which currently, Nvidia either requires, or they require you to mod 1 monitor Asus sells (perhaps more but I am not aware). My son has the one Asus monitor I know can be modded.
 
Spazturtle said:
As FreeSync is now a VESA standard it will work on all GPUs, AMD, Intel and even NVIDIA. G-Sync will only ever work on NVIDIA.
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The key point is that Gsync works.

You can get it right now. You can read reviews about it. It exists.

Freesync will most likely still have problems with input lag. Just like vsync.
 
PRIME1 said:
The key point is that Gsync works.

You can get it right now. You can read reviews about it. It exists.

Freesync will most likely still have problems with input lag. Just like vsync.
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You have all the answers.
 
PRIME1 said:
The key point is that Gsync works.

You can get it right now. You can read reviews about it. It exists.

Freesync will most likely still have problems with input lag. Just like vsync.
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Everybody who has seen both has said they both have the same results. Stop making shit up, being such a mindless fanboy makes you look like a fool.
 
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