Very different principals between ATI/Nvidia

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Could not think a good thread name for this one, but intresting to see how big contrast there is between the two companies. Story here:

Nvidia threatens with a lawsuit

So if I understood correctly, according to Nvidia, all those sites providing .inf modded driver packages are criminals. Grim news for all those 7xxx users who like to update their drivers more often than once in a 6 months :confused:
 
I don't see this as becoming a real issue. As others have mentioned (in the comments at the link), that site and Nvidia have clashed before.. and you'll notice that the many other sits doing similar things are not getting letters.

That's not to say I agree with it. It's tacky. They're welcome to refuse support for modded drivers, that's well within their rights, but going after the place modding and distributing them is just... silly.
 
*principles

zomg ati rulez! :rolleyes:

That site is so retarded.
 
Gah my non native english strikes again, and I even tried to google that principles word :D

But yeah, now that I read more about that site, seems like they have their swords crossed with Nvidia. Still everytime a corporation threatens to sue a smaller party, it feels iffy and reminds me of M$ that company we all love :p
 
This part had me laughing:

"You’re removing INF file support for older product generations to promote your new products illegally, and using your drivers as tool for psychological warfare on your customers."

Uh... can you rephrase that, drama queen?

BTW there's nothing illegal about stopping support on certain products. That's how a capitalistic society works, and it's the only way you can move forward and progress technology a lot of times... especially when you have a finite amount of resources to support those products. It's not like ATI doesn't do it, or like other industries don't do the exact same thing.
 
sam0t said:
Could not think a good thread name for this one, but intresting to see how big contrast there is between the two companies. Story here:

Nvidia threatens with a lawsuit

So if I understood correctly, according to Nvidia, all those sites providing .inf modded driver packages are criminals. Grim news for all those 7xxx users who like to update their drivers more often than once in a 6 months :confused:
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So if you had your own company, with copyrighted software and someone went against your recommendations for the use of that software, you would react differently ?

I would certainly do the exact same thing. NVIDIA issued warnings and they still kept doing the same thing, then of course a lawsuit is the next step. The fact that they even issued the warnings, was a surprise. Another company as big as NVIDIA, would probably go forth with the lawsuit from the start.
 
This is retarded...

Nvidia own full rights to their own drivers and just because they distribute them freely does not mean others can do so without their permission, under the guise that they don't make any money from it (they probably do from adverts and sponsors)

What is yet more funny is they claim US law isn't applicable in Isreal and then threaten to "counter sue" in the same kind of manner which is totaly without any kind of legal merit.

Nvidia are under no obligation to carry on support for any of their products if they so wish, and tend to release drivers when they're ready rather than at the soonest possible moment.

They should be respectful of Nvidias wishes about intelectual property that Nvidia own, rather than rubbing up the wrong way, there are plenty of other free sources for drivers with modded infs, if it was Nvidias perogative to remove access to such content then they would target all websites hosting it, rather than just theirs.

I hope Nvidia do sue them, just for some entertainment, most people know places like Guru3d are far quicker and more reliable for things like modified drivers.
 
Nvidia going after driver modders, AMD/ATI falsifying Barcelona benchmarks...the whole industry has gone crooked!
 
Anybody try those drivers? How can someone other than the company itself write better drivers for their own hardware? :confused: :eek:
 
coolpurplefan said:
Anybody try those drivers? How can someone other than the company itself write better drivers for their own hardware? :confused: :eek:
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They don't write drivers. They modify settings like anyone who cares to tweak their drivers can do. :p
 
Oh good grief ! Nvidia isn't going after driver modders. They're going after this guy because he's a smacktard and a crybaby. Last year he threw a hissy fit like my 8 year old grandaughter would throw when she doesn't get her way. Nvidia didn't send his website a 7900 to review so he threw a hissy fit and swore to never mod or tweak drivers for Nvidia's cards again. Nvidia sucks etc etc ... you get the idea.

And here we are a year later and he's acting like a 5 year old again...... :rolleyes:
 
Kangg said:
Oh good grief ! Nvidia isn't going after driver modders. They're going after this guy because he's a smacktard and a crybaby. Last year he threw a hissy fit like my 8 year old grandaughter would throw when she doesn't get her way. Nvidia didn't send his website a 7900 to review so he threw a hissy fit and swore to never mod or tweak drivers for Nvidia's cards again. Nvidia sucks etc etc ... you get the idea.

And here we are a year later and he's acting like a 5 year old again...... :rolleyes:
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And the truth comes out :D
 
Silus said:
So if you had your own company, with copyrighted software and someone went against your recommendations for the use of that software, you would react differently ?

I would certainly do the exact same thing. NVIDIA issued warnings and they still kept doing the same thing, then of course a lawsuit is the next step. The fact that they even issued the warnings, was a surprise. Another company as big as NVIDIA, would probably go forth with the lawsuit from the start.
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Well the first guestion I really cannot answer as I have no experience about the corporate world, however I do aknowledge that Nvidia has the full right to defend thei IP. But thats not the confusing part of the story in my mind, it´s the thing how different AMD and Nvidias attitudes are about this .inf modding.

But like people have said, its most likely this one site and they having some beef with Nvidia. Whats weird is how can Nvidia really give a damn about one "crybaby". Somehow I just don´t buy that its about Nvidia getting PR, if that was the case, surely they would have army of hackers to bring down a AMD fan forums or something. So the guestion remains, why would Nvidia even raise a finger and threaten lawsuit over a (in my books) non-issue while AMD says "good going community, just don´t expect any support for modded stuff"

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Gotta clear something up, I said the .inf modding was in my books non-issue, maybe it is not, its just to me something like volt modding your card sounds a bit more serious thing to do than hacking an .inf file of a driver. Well what do I know :)
 
LOL.. Nvidia is getting their panties in a bunch cause the modded .inf driver supports more cards and works better than their own drivers...

Oh.. BTW... I had an old Geforce 2 GTS-V that I gave to a friend.... unified drivers.. HAHAHAHAHA... I had to use some old 70's series drivers.. cause even when modding the .inf file to add support for it... it would not install properly.

Yet, the newer drivers work just fine on a Geforce 2 MX.

Well... looks like my next card will be an ATI.... right now I have a 7900GS (one of the "stolen" ones that got taken off a truck).... It wouldn't run properly at stock settings with the sad stock heatsink. I ended up cutting up an old Slot-A heatsink to make heatsinks for the GPU and the RAM.. and used a shoe box to make a shround.... and it uses a standard case fan to blow the air out of the case.... now it runs perfectly at 580/830

I will say that the NVIDIA drivers are way less stable than ATI drivers are.. this is from experience. Who cares if Nvidia releasea all kinds of "beta" drivers... it hardly ever fixes any of the issues that people see on a regular basis.
 
cyclone3d said:
LOL.. Nvidia is getting their panties in a bunch cause the modded .inf driver supports more cards and works better than their own drivers...

Oh.. BTW... I had an old Geforce 2 GTS-V that I gave to a friend.... unified drivers.. HAHAHAHAHA... I had to use some old 70's series drivers.. cause even when modding the .inf file to add support for it... it would not install properly.

Yet, the newer drivers work just fine on a Geforce 2 MX.

Well... looks like my next card will be an ATI.... right now I have a 7900GS (one of the "stolen" ones that got taken off a truck).... It wouldn't run properly at stock settings with the sad stock heatsink. I ended up cutting up an old Slot-A heatsink to make heatsinks for the GPU and the RAM.. and used a shoe box to make a shround.... and it uses a standard case fan to blow the air out of the case.... now it runs perfectly at 580/830

I will say that the NVIDIA drivers are way less stable than ATI drivers are.. this is from experience. Who cares if Nvidia releasea all kinds of "beta" drivers... it hardly ever fixes any of the issues that people see on a regular basis.
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First up, Geforce 2 cards are ancient by the standards of the day. They don't support 9/10ths+ of the featureset available in the newer drivers and have been rock solid stable doing what they can do with the 70 series drivers for years. There is basically no reason to continue to release driver fixes for them.

Second, you have a 'stolen' 7900GS and you're complaining about stability? That said, good job with the ghettomodding. If it works, it works, and I guess that's all that matters.

Nvidia drivers are not less stable than ATI. I've had all ATI cards save the Geforce Go 6600 in my laptop prior to my 8800 GTX, and I've had /far/ more issues with the Catalyst suite than anything Nvidia's put out. One Catalyst revision (non beta, even) was so broken that I ended up having to reinstall XP because even with various versions of DriverCleaner and cleaning by hand it stuck around (despite not working at all) and would not let me install any new version. Haven't run in to anything like that with Forceware.
 
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