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[cleanncut]

Hi,

Short story.. Back in the days I went with a socket 1156 instead of 1366. Im still folding on my i5 750 butI feel that for the little extra money I should have went with the 1366 platform. Money is not really and issue but I dont want to regret spending it.

For a daily machine wit folding 24/7 should I get a 1155 or 2011 platform. I will keep this machine for the next 5-6 years. I dont do much gaming but I will probably get a gtx 660 or 670.

Thank

 

[Spazturtle]

1155 or 2011 platform.
Neither, haswell in march-june whitch uses a new socket
Haswell-ES (replacement of sandbridge-E, also new socket) which comes out at the end of the year uses DDR4

 

[Quisarious]

1155 or 2011 platform.
Neither, haswell in march-june whitch uses a new socket
Haswell-ES (replacement of sandbridge-E, also new socket) which comes out at the end of the year uses DDR4

IB-E comes out at the end of the year, and will be lga2011. Intel hasn't officially said anything about what chipset Haswell-E will use, I've heard rumors both ways (new socket and continued use of 2011). In the desktop market they have more incentive to change sockets.

 

[bigted]

do you want hex-core? if not, just go with a socket 1155, either quad core i5 or i7.

unless of course you have the budget for dual socket 2011, then get that, haha

 

[Deleted member 12106]

If money is not an issue....gpu fold or multiprocessor fold?

 

[Spazturtle]

Well I'd say wait for haswell over 1155 or 2011 either way. It will have additional instruction sets that will speed up folding down the line (AVX2), AVX support added in Gromacs 4.6 (beta) gives some nice performance boosts to CPUs that support it.

 

[bigted]

Well I'd say wait for haswell over 1155 or 2011 either way. It will have additional instruction sets that will speed up folding down the line (AVX2), AVX support added in Gromacs 4.6 (beta) gives some nice performance boosts to CPUs that support it.

when haswell comes out, there will be something else to wait for that will give nice performance boosts. if you keep waiting for the next best thing, you will spend all your time waiting

 

[Core32]

^^^^^^^^^^

 

[Tim_H]

when haswell comes out, there will be something else to wait for that will give nice performance boosts. if you keep waiting for the next best thing, you will spend all your time waiting

^^^^^

You could wait for haswell, then buy a 2011 or 1155 system when the prices drop? still going to have good performance, just not the latest and greatest. Possibly two systems? lol

 

[Spazturtle]

when haswell comes out, there will be something else to wait for that will give nice performance boosts. if you keep waiting for the next best thing, you will spend all your time waiting

But haswell is so close to release, then you have a year until a new mainstream line of Intel CPUs

 

[bigted]

But haswell is so close to release, then you have a year until a new mainstream line of Intel CPUs

only reason to wait for haswell to release would be to buy everyone's system that they are ditching to go with the latest and greatest. early adopters pay a price for early adopting. around here i've noticed the name of the game is ppd on the cheap. why build a brand spanking new haswell system dedicated to just folding/DC? not to mention in the OP, 1150 wasn't even mentioned. OP is asking about 1155 or 2011, do we have to turn every thread into "wait for haswell"?

 

[Spazturtle]

only reason to wait for haswell to release would be to buy everyone's system that they are ditching to go with the latest and greatest. early adopters pay a price for early adopting. around here i've noticed the name of the game is ppd on the cheap. why build a brand spanking new haswell system dedicated to just folding/DC? not to mention in the OP, 1150 wasn't even mentioned. OP is asking about 1155 or 2011, do we have to turn every thread into "wait for haswell"?

"I will keep this machine for the next 5-6 years." " Money is not really and issue but I dont want to regret spending it." -OP
If he will keep the machine for 5-6 years then sandy or ivy bridge will be out dated quicker, and if he gets a ivy bridges system and then in 2 months haswell drops and is the same price or much faster then he may regret the purchase.

 

[musky]

I'm with bigted on this one - if you want to upgrade now, upgrade now.

For pure CPU folding, dual 2011 and a pair of 8-core Xeons would make a very nice system, although you are going to pay quite a bit for it. Two procs aren't going to mess you up on Windows installs (I assume Win8 supports DP - can anyone confirm?) You would need to do a Linux VM to run F@H, but you should be able to run bigadv nicely on such a machine, which would be a huge ppd boost for you.

If a MP setup is not in the budget, I'd think you are looking at a similar situation now that you had with 1056/1366. You have hex core (and even octo core) options with 2011, and quad channel memory (I think.) Plus, you may even get another architecture chip that runs in 2011. I haven't priced anything lately ont he Intel side, but I can't imagine 2011 is going to be that much more than 1155.

One note - I would definitely get as many PCI-e slot as you can, especially with a single proc system. I still think that GPU folding will be the way to go on any single proc system in the very near future, so having the ability to run a few GPUs will be a huge benefit for you.

 

[cleanncut]

Thank for all the reply and advice.

I'm more a casual forlder that will leave a machine on for cpu folding or gpu (never did gpu, always had ati card)

if the next generation is in 2-3 month I will wait the 2-3 month, it's no big deal, I'm only seeking advice for my next upgrade, I dont have the hitch to jump yet, I just want to buy smart. Even buying used stuff is fine, but living in canada sometime(always) shipping is a bitch.

 

[Kendrak]

I'm with bigted on this one - if you want to upgrade now, upgrade now.

For pure CPU folding, dual 2011 and a pair of 8-core Xeons would make a very nice system, although you are going to pay quite a bit for it. Two procs aren't going to mess you up on Windows installs (I assume Win8 supports DP - can anyone confirm?) You would need to do a Linux VM to run F@H, but you should be able to run bigadv nicely on such a machine, which would be a huge ppd boost for you.

If a MP setup is not in the budget, I'd think you are looking at a similar situation now that you had with 1056/1366. You have hex core (and even octo core) options with 2011, and quad channel memory (I think.) Plus, you may even get another architecture chip that runs in 2011. I haven't priced anything lately ont he Intel side, but I can't imagine 2011 is going to be that much more than 1155.

One note - I would definitely get as many PCI-e slot as you can, especially with a single proc system. I still think that GPU folding will be the way to go on any single proc system in the very near future, so having the ability to run a few GPUs will be a huge benefit for you.

Been out of the VM world for a bit... Do we have a VM solution that can handle 32 threads? Last time I played with them (back when i7 920s where king) 8 threads was all you could do in a VM without paying.

 

[bigted]

Been out of the VM world for a bit... Do we have a VM solution that can handle 32 threads? Last time I played with them (back when i7 920s where king) 8 threads was all you could do in a VM without paying.

i was able to get 12 threads on my 980x using ubuntu on virtualbox. i guess if you're talking ESXi, i would have no idea there

 

[Nathan_P]

VirtualBox will support upto 32 threads, not sure what performance is like though